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Mac OS X 10.2

there have been claims...

There have been some claims that it will work on some older 333 & up G3's...

Anything's possible....a good friend of mine has Windoze 2000 running on a Pentium 133.....not that it is relevant to this discussion board....but a bit interesting...
 
iSub doesn't isn't supported by 10.1 yet either

Audio is important in the computer experience The iSub is sweet There is a whole list of things that need to be brought back as long as it's not mentally degrading to X
 
My test server for os x.1 is a beige g3 266. It runs os x.1 fine for services. It's a little stiff on the graphics at times, but it does excellent for a server and is pretty good for a workstation. The key thing is ram, which it's maxxed out to 384.
 
exactly!

Originally posted by GPTurismo
My test server for os x.1 is a beige g3 266. It runs os x.1 fine for services. It's a little stiff on the graphics at times, but it does excellent for a server and is pretty good for a workstation. The key thing is ram, which it's maxxed out to 384.
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This is exactly what I was thinking. Processor power is only part of it. Lots of RAM would have to help it out...
 
Dos and windows

It seams to me that OS-X has the same problem as DOS did back in the days, when you wanted to play a game you could play the game fine but manny games had to be tweeked using the autoexec.bat and config.sys, thats all that has to hapen here with OX-X it needs to be configured right, have alook at this link:

http://www.ResExcellence.com/hack_html_01/06-01-01.shtml

This is a example of what i mean, incase i'm not making any sence...

I'm sure if more of us know unix we could realy increase the speed of are rigs. :)
 
Well, that tweak is fine and dandy, but I have done it on multiple machines and the speed increase isn't significant enough for me to mess with it.

The big thing about OS X is it caches a lot of stuff. I mean A LOT of operations. At home I have a dual 800 with 1.1 gigs of ram, and it always uses a large portion up for caching operations. Thats just how Unix works, and I believe someone said earlier, just how the heftier and beefier OS's work.
 
OS X is new...

And we need to give it time to mature. Games and stuff released in 2002 should have more stability than games like Alice or Tropico which quit almost nonstop (especially Tropico). Lets hope that Mac OS X will once be as fast as OS 9 was... But maybe at one point apple will launch a trade in program for all those iMac & iBook users (me included).
 
Another thing...

That swap drive thing is useless unless you use more than your ram (I have 192 + 80 mg) + 80 mg more. What I mean is my iBook has 192 mb of ram with a swap partition and it has never made a second swap file.

Just a note to all of you... NEVER optimize OS X will Norton Utilities!
 
Ture, But...

Your right about the swap file being a small and insubstatial tweek but it would help uses of G3's and earler G4's to get the most out of there OS..

But i'm sure there are other tweeks in the sub system that have yet to be made/descovered that could inprove performance to all area's, networking, video, disk, RAM management.

And one final thing to say, Apple seams to me to be doing all the work, lets give them some time, i have been a mac user since 1986 i was 6 years old. :) and i will never use a PC.

I have been waiting for this new OS for years i can wait alittle longer, hopefuly they wont take another 15 years.. :)
 
Re: Another thing...

Originally posted by dantec
Just a note to all of you... NEVER optimize OS X will Norton Utilities!
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Would you mind telling us more? I am interested in buying some system optimization tools and Norton's are at the top of my list. Were you using utilities for 9.x on 10.x or did you use OS X versions of Norton?
 
Re: Open with...

Originally posted by Doraemon

Great! I was hoping for this feature! :)
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Doraemon, You might be pleased to see the following:

http://www.brockerhoff.net/zingg/

Zingg is a contextual menu plugin that allows you to open files with application of your choice. I haven't tried it yet, but it looks interesting.

 
Re: Gotta do this...

Originally posted by speak 'n' spell
This is the second time it's shown up on the main page.

peak
n.
1. A tapering, projecting point; a pointed extremity: the peak of a cap; the peak of a roof.
2. Abbr. Pk.
a. The pointed summit of a mountain.
b. The mountain itself.

peek
intr.v. peeked, peek·ing, peeks
1. To glance quickly.
2. To look or peer furtively, as from a place of concealment.
3. To be only partially visible, as if peering or emerging from hiding: Tiny crocuses peeked through the snow.

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Hey speak 'n' spell, where in the English dictionary is the word "Gotta"? You must be a college graduate to be able to copy/paste from your Micro$oft dictionary CD-ROM.

[Edited by rizzo on 12-31-2001 at 01:11 AM]
 
Okay...

I have the most recent version of Norton Utilities... I think it is version 6 or 7. It was the first disk utility to repair OS 10 drives sucessfully (Techtool Pro doesn't seem to work very well). But now we have Drive 10, but I havn't tested that yet!

Norton does a great job of optimizing for OS 9. After you do that for OS 9 games run sooo much faster (Quake, Tropico, etc...) and load levels soo much faster.

But there is one problem... When you optimize an OS 10 drive with Norton Utilities, the app thinks that most of the system files are "other" files and places them at the bottom of the drive, and since none of them have anything in common it places them all over the end of your drive. The result of this is when you boot up Mac OS 10, everything becomes much slower...

So follow my advice and DO NOT! optimize a disk with OS 10 installed!
 
OS X 10.2

Im still waiting for my multiple desktops like all other down home UNIX and Linux systems, We need the Multiple Desktops in order to get some functionality out of it. I want my God Blessed Multiple Desktops or i go back to YDL....
 
Re: Okay...

Originally posted by dantec
I have the most recent version of Norton Utilities... I think it is version 6 or 7. It was the first disk utility to repair OS 10 drives sucessfully (Techtool Pro doesn't seem to work very well). But now we have Drive 10, but I havn't tested that yet!

Norton does a great job of optimizing for OS 9. After you do that for OS 9 games run sooo much faster (Quake, Tropico, etc...) and load levels soo much faster.

But there is one problem... When you optimize an OS 10 drive with Norton Utilities, the app thinks that most of the system files are "other" files and places them at the bottom of the drive, and since none of them have anything in common it places them all over the end of your drive. The result of this is when you boot up Mac OS 10, everything becomes much slower...

So follow my advice and DO NOT! optimize a disk with OS 10 installed!
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I have used Norton on my 10 disks and have noticed a big speed increase it has never slowed me down
 
I'm guessing that most of the "slowness" you are talking about is the GUI.

If ytou could run Darwiun w/o Aqua in command only I bet it would do things alot faster than 9., especially two things at once -

But, since most of wehat we do is graphical, this is probably a moot (and mute) point.
 
Norton Utilities & Drive 10

I have the latest version of Norton Systemworks/Utilities, as well as Drive 10. I optimized my hard drive last week (booting and running Speedisk from my iPod). It may have been just a little slow for the first 5 minutes or so, but since then it seems to be running at least as fast as before, if not faster. Maybe OS X had to locate the files at first--I don't know. Also, even if the files are classified as "other" and placed at the end of the drive, the fact that they are contiguous should clearly make operations less disk intensive (reading from one contiguous disk area, rather than 40+). Also, NU found a number of error on my HD, when Drive 10 found none. I am sure this has to do with the difference between OS 9 (what NU needs to run) and OS X (where Drive 10 runs)--things that look like errors in one OS are not in the other. Nonetheless, I will probably go back to optimizing my HD once a month with NU.

Drive 10 seems useful, but it's hard to say since it has never found a problem on my HD. It's got a great UI, and runs important tests. With OS X being so stable, though, I wonder when it will fix my first problem...

CJM
 
Re: Okay...

Originally posted by dantec
I have the most recent version of Norton Utilities... I think it is version 6 or 7. It was the first disk utility to repair OS 10 drives sucessfully (Techtool Pro doesn't seem to work very well). But now we have Drive 10, but I havn't tested that yet!

Norton does a great job of optimizing for OS 9. After you do that for OS 9 games run sooo much faster (Quake, Tropico, etc...) and load levels soo much faster.

But there is one problem... When you optimize an OS 10 drive with Norton Utilities, the app thinks that most of the system files are "other" files and places them at the bottom of the drive, and since none of them have anything in common it places them all over the end of your drive. The result of this is when you boot up Mac OS 10, everything becomes much slower...

So follow my advice and DO NOT! optimize a disk with OS 10 installed!
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I have Norton System Works, and use that on my TiBook, when I feel the need to, with OS X. That is actually the third utility that I run. I use (in the following order) Diskwarrior 2, TechTool Pro 3.01, and then Norton System Works. I don't let TTP optimize, since Speed Disk does a better job of it (as well as faster). Whenever I have run the trilogy of utilities on my TiBook, I don't have any slow-downs on it. I also haven't had to run any utilities on my TiBook in over two to three months now. It's just that stable. I booted into OS 9.2.2 last night, only to install Toast Titanium (didn't want to go through classic). I then booted back into OS X, and ran the 5.1.1 update. That installed an OS X native version, so that I can burn cd's without running either classic, or going into OS 9.

Of all the OS's that Apple has put out, X is by far the best, fastest, and most stable of the bunch. There are a few features that I would like to see in the next update, but nothing of any importance (very minor items).

All said and done, if you are running OS X, you probably don't need to optimize nearly as often as you did under 9.x, but don't be afraid to do it as needed. As always, boot off of the utility cd, NEVER install the utility onto your computer (main hard drive, or secondary). It runs 100x better off of the cd, then if you attempt to install it. Also, there are items that are installed with the utilities that can conflict with other software that you have installed. I have seen the 'crashguard' crash computers more often then not, and the stability returns once it has been removed.
 
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