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Mac OS X 10.3.2 7D18 (Server and Client) Seeded
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AidenShaw
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Router problems should be network problems, not OS problems
Obviously, router problems will show up as networking problems - not much that any OS software can do to fix a misconfigured network.
The earlier post suggested that the router was responsible for the "system won't wake from sleep" issue.
Just as obviously, a router problem shouldn't make it impossible to use your computer - any effects should be limited to problems accessing the network.
Obviously, router problems will show up as networking problems - not much that any OS software can do to fix a misconfigured network.
The earlier post suggested that the router was responsible for the "system won't wake from sleep" issue.
Just as obviously, a router problem shouldn't make it impossible to use your computer - any effects should be limited to problems accessing the network.
Re: Router problems should be network problems, not OS problems
True, although in this day and age, many if not most common tasks involve accessing the network at some point, right? I mean, we're all doing it right now...
When will it be done?
Are we ever going to have a finished, polished OS? For the past 3 years OS X has been a moving target.
With Apple releasing a brand new OS once a year and making major updates every 6 weeks, when are developers just going to throw up their hands?
Are we ever going to have a finished, polished OS? For the past 3 years OS X has been a moving target.
With Apple releasing a brand new OS once a year and making major updates every 6 weeks, when are developers just going to throw up their hands?
Powerbook G5
macrumors 68040
An OS will never be "done", that's the nature of software development. I'd rather have OS X continually updated and improved than have it stuck at a certain state for years without any development being done with it.
MacBandit
macrumors 604
If they use the guidlines set by Apple and they don't use system files that they shouldn't then there is no problem for the developers.
Also now with XCode things got even better. I would much rather have an OS that evolves to be better and better rather then a system that gets more and more bloated.
Also it's nice having a system that when updates come out it's to make improvements. Not to fix thousands of holes.
Also now with XCode things got even better. I would much rather have an OS that evolves to be better and better rather then a system that gets more and more bloated.
Also it's nice having a system that when updates come out it's to make improvements. Not to fix thousands of holes.
My favorite improvement is that Mail finally supports attachments that Windows users can read and so can everyone else.
Unfortunately, with each point release whole specs are changing...for example, printing changed totally between 10.2 and 10.3. Personally, I don't mind, but when I hear of developers having to hold up releases by months to reconfigure, that concerns me.
Powerbook G5
macrumors 68040
That is nice, I had the worst time sending picture attachments to friends still on AOL when using Mail.
MacBandit
macrumors 604
That's true but would you rather have a half done crummy printer support and leave it at that so that no programs are broken or an update that breaks programs but is a vast improvement?
You can't hang on to the old just because if you update it it will break support. That's what happened with XP. It's a bloated pig because they chose to support all the old hardware. At some point they have to break old hardware in order to improve the system. People running old hardware don't need the new system the old one isn't suddenly unusable.
Krevnik
macrumors 601
Actually, you know what... as a programmer myself, I say it was the programmer's fault for letting it get that bad. Or the guys telling the programmers what to do. It is hardly Apple's fault in this case because they have given programmers about 3 years to update to the new printing API and migrate from the one sitting around since System 7.
There are some companies out there who when you tell them it will take X time to do the port, and Y time to do the port RIGHT... they will pick X every time, even if it takes X+Y time to go back and fix things in the long run because it was done in terms of bare minimum.
Not to mention the programmers who write the software can occasionally work on huge pieces of software and not WANT to do the extra work required. However, I tend to want to go the extra mile and make sure everything is done right and to spec so that I have less fuss later on. Entrenched companies can't or don't think this way.
g4pismo
macrumors member
Another way to look at things
I really don't want to start a /. discussion here, but operating system changes that require driver/application updates, do kinda keep a lot of folks employed. Its like a small ecosystem. If it is always Apples responsibility to check to see if a change in the OS will affect Bobs Printer, Scanner Toaster Oven. We would still be on OS 7.5. While it may suck for the 108 people that use Bobs product, the dev. team for Bob isnt so obsolete anymore. These folks are now good to buy another Mac. And the Circle of Life continues.. Queue Elton John.. IHMO
I really don't want to start a /. discussion here, but operating system changes that require driver/application updates, do kinda keep a lot of folks employed. Its like a small ecosystem. If it is always Apples responsibility to check to see if a change in the OS will affect Bobs Printer, Scanner Toaster Oven. We would still be on OS 7.5. While it may suck for the 108 people that use Bobs product, the dev. team for Bob isnt so obsolete anymore. These folks are now good to buy another Mac. And the Circle of Life continues.. Queue Elton John.. IHMO
MacBandit
macrumors 604
Re: Re: Another way to look at things
Well that is another side of the coin but the completely opposite one from the point that was being made.
In our case things are broken due to improvements in the OS not flaws and a lot of time developers not supporting there software in any where near a timely manner.
Well that is another side of the coin but the completely opposite one from the point that was being made.
In our case things are broken due to improvements in the OS not flaws and a lot of time developers not supporting there software in any where near a timely manner.
It looks as if 10.3.2 will be a pretty comprehensive bug-fix. See list of all affected files here:
Complete File List
(no comment on NDA) I would think that 10.3.2 would be fairly stable with other minor fixes coming in .3 and .4 bug-fix releases.
Some people say that 10.3.5 will be the first to introduce new features. This would be following the trend in past OS X releases.
Predicition: many more happy campers after 10.3.2.
Complete File List
(no comment on NDA) I would think that 10.3.2 would be fairly stable with other minor fixes coming in .3 and .4 bug-fix releases.
Some people say that 10.3.5 will be the first to introduce new features. This would be following the trend in past OS X releases.
Predicition: many more happy campers after 10.3.2.
AppleMatt
macrumors 68000
Can someone enlighten me on the new features introduced with the 10.2.x updates?
I'm pleased with the progress of the 10.3.2 build, it seems as if Apple are really working to remove all bugs. I've got a 4-week holiday fast approaching so I might look through all the "Panther Bug" threads and see which still exist after (GM) 10.3.2.
AppleMatt
I'm pleased with the progress of the 10.3.2 build, it seems as if Apple are really working to remove all bugs. I've got a 4-week holiday fast approaching so I might look through all the "Panther Bug" threads and see which still exist after (GM) 10.3.2.
AppleMatt
Krevnik
macrumors 601
Well, nothing major, just things like:
Journaled HFS+ support
2D Acceleration for ATI Rage Pro LT
Sunken widgets for metal apps
Pretty much stuff that wouldn't help
sell extra copies, but are nice improvements that were completed before the next major version was deep into development.
I think they where right to mova ahead with panther the way they did. OK, the filevault isses and firewire bugs where major things that shouln't have happend, but most likely they wouldn't have found those bugs in the beta test because they rare configurations are not likely to be tested that much.
As it is for me, panther runs way faster than jaguar, it feels good, which is most important to me as I hate to work on a slow feeling computer, and it solved most of my network conectivity, or rather lost connection, problems.
With panther, you don't have to be ashamed to sit beside a win notebook with your ibook, when it comes to interface speed.