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The idea that an upgrades to the GUI can't take place because of an inability to update the manual is ridiculous!

Have you never heard of online help files, updates to Apple help, etc. etc. Manuals are only as good as the current revision of the OS and do not hinder the updating of OS.


Yeah, just ask people to type in "WTF happened to the connect to server dialog window?"
 
Re: Fix for certain Mail problems

Originally posted by neilw
For those with crashing problems with Mail:

See if it always crashes after you move a message to the junk folder. If so, try deleting the file:

~/Library/Mail/LSMMap2

This, I believe is where Mail stores its "learning" about junk mail patterns.

I just recently encountered this problem, and Mail was crashing 20 times a day until I realized it was the junk mail problem. Removing the above file fixed it completely, and Mail is back to its relatively stable self.

Thanks for that - I had the same frequency - I will see if that suggestion works ... does that file become corrupt? I really noticed this after
Pocketmac installed a mail conduit - BUT I uninstalled the program after multiple problems with it any way.

Update: seems to have worked
 
The Manual...

There's a manual?!? All I got was a short, very simple pamphlet that was almost completely obvious. I can tell you it had 24 pages (the separate license agreement was thicker) and that four of those pages showed networking. On the "Works with Windows" page, it showed only a picture of browsing a network and a picture of the connect to server window.

IT DID NOT GIVE ANY OTHER INFORMATION. That is to say, it did not tell what would happen after you connected to the server, nor did it tell how to disconnect from the server. Let's face it. More software often has incomplete or missing manuals. There are hundreds of undocumented features in the operating system (just buy the Missing Manual to find some of them). Apple could change one or two without problems.
 
Re: No new features

Originally posted by leenoble
I'd like someone to supply a precedent for new features in an x.x.x release.

I may be wrong and I stand to be corrected but it ain't gonna happen. I don't think there have EVER been changes to functionality in any such release.

Think about it for a minute. Not everyone who uses a Mac is as passionate about the platform as us lot, and you know some people might actually use the printed manual that comes in the box. If Apple goes and makes fundamental changes to functionality in a regular update (AND THIS INCLUDES THE WAY FILE SHARING WORKS AT THE MOMENT) where would this leave those users. Their manuals would suddenly be wrong. There has never been a popup box appear when you do an OS update saying "Oh this has changed and now works like this, and there's this new feature we should make you aware of".

New features are only doable in an x.x release so you'll have to wait for 10.4 if Apple are going to backtrack on the new way that sharing works.

Updates are updates. UpGRADES are upgrades. Stop wishing for things that won't happen.

what manual?
 
the only issue i have is that i cant use my lexmark z12 printer. thats more of a lexmark thing, i guess, but are there any hacks that will make my printer compatible with 10.3?
 
Originally posted by coumerelli
I always like updates...I can't wait....new features please! :)

As for the improved file sharing....on my all windows network that I join via 802.11b, I hope it'll be easier (and more consistant) to see the other folders on the other computers. Here's to hope!

I'd like to see network computers appear on the desktop.
 
Rendezvous has never worked for me reliably--not for file sharing! It's perfect for iTunes and iChat, but in Finder, even two MACS can't reliably see each other. Not in Jaguar, not in Panther. The ONLY way I can connect sometimes is to create a fake IP address--a procedure not found in the manual or the Help, and one which requires you to know the # of each machine you'd ever want to connect to. So impractical, and such a step back from OS 9. And when Rendezvous does work, you don't get server icon on the desktop, and unmounting the server is not reliable. It vanishes but remains connected and causes an error when you pull the plug.

Now, if Rendezvous file sharing would actually work between two Macs, 10.3.3 would the best update ever! And would actually encourage people to own two Macs, instead of punishing them.

PS, someone said that software updates never have a pop-up box telling you what's changed. That's wrong--they ALWAYS have that.
 
Originally posted by adzoox
I have liked 10.3 - except for mail.

Has anyone else had a problem with 10.3 (all updates applied) and Mail.app?

I hope this update addresses my issue. I send in a bug report some 8 -10 times a day. (Mail_unexpectedly quits) Otherwise Panther is very solid.

Mail just expectedly quit on me a few minutes ago, but normally I don't have problems. They are messing with our mail server here at work and I think that might have been what caused it.
 
Re: Re: Fix for certain Mail problems

I move files to the junk pile quite a bit and mail does not crash. My crash occurred after I had put my laptop to sleep, disconnected, moved to a new location and started up mail. It crashed right away.
 
Originally posted by BenRoethig
I'd like to see network computers appear on the desktop.

They do if you connect to them by Cmd+K then type in the IP address.

I want the Network browser that was in Jaguar dangit!!!

Why did they have to screw up network browsing in Panther. If it ain't broken, DON'T fix it!
 
stop whining.

in general, each osx update makes my home computer faster and more usable. in comparison, each xp update generally makes my work computer slower and more prone to crashes. apple is going to the right direction here, but you guys just are not getting the point.

now if you all reported found bugs to apple, that would be different thing totally. when million people find a bug and report it, apple will more likely take an action than if million people found it and chose to whine about it here.

do something useful.
 
10.2 better than 10.3

Through this thread there seem to be lots of bits of problems. My overall opinion is 10.3 is way more buggy than 10.2. I have it running on 3 powermacs. 2 are MDD G4's and one is G5 Dual 2. I have upgraded all three computers identically and from my experience applications quit all the time on all of the machines. The computer rarely needs to be rebooted but Applications Unexpectedly quit. This is not isolated to one machine! Does anyone else feel that 10.3 has a lot of fixing to be done not just for a few things. Here are some of my gripes that I have spoken to apple about.

Finder window refreshes are pretty sluggish.
When connecting across my network it will connect through and then let me in a couple of levels then push me back to the root of what I am connecting to and give me some error message. I can navigate again though, or even stranger if I push the back button it takes be back to where I had already navigated.

Sometimes the little arrow on the icon on Network icons go white. No big deal but weird.

The text on the icons that are on the desktop over time get this rough outline look. This degrades over time. When you select the icon it cleans it up with a nice shadow look like it originally was.

When arrowing down a list of items in the column view you can't just Shift-Click on one a few away to select from the one you are on to the one you click on. You must first mouse click on the one you are on then Shift click away. This worked in 10.2 so I made it a habbit now it is frustrating to lose my place.

Applications quit all the time. Final Cut Pro, Live Type, Microsoft Office, Filemaker Pro 6, iDVD, you name it.

If I am connected to a computer across the network and that computer is told to shut down it immediately asks me if I want to disconnect the person connected. However, if I put that computer to sleep it makes the other computer hang for a while trying to figure out what happened. Why can't it be immediate like when shut down?

Am I the only one - and strange that it happens on all my computers. I wonder if I have a piece of software that is consitent that is messing them all up? I think I am up to date on all updates though.
 
I've also experienced a ton more application crashes in Panther.

I have also gotten the Mail crash trying to junk blank spam messages. I've also had to clear that LSMMap2 once due to crashes.

I've also gotten a problem with the Finder relaunching sometimes when I have image files on the desktop I'm trying to drag into a newly created folder on the desktop. It happens repeatedly every time I try to drag them and I often end up opening the desktop folder in a finder window as a workaround.

All of these things have happened repeatedly on both my home and work machines...

I'm also hoping they continue to tweak networking until it matches it's former (jaguar) glory!
 
Re: 10.2 better than 10.3

Originally posted by swissmann
My overall opinion is 10.3 is way more buggy than 10.2

well, if you compare 10.2.latest to 10.3.earliest you will presumably find out that the one which has all old bugs fixed is more stable than the one which has all new bugs introduced. that's the nature of software development; you always have a choise - you can have new features if you can stand a few bugs, but if you require a rock-solid stable system, you will need to accept that the tried-and-true version does not have all the new features.

in my opinion 10.2.0 was buggier than 10.3.0, but admit that the new bugs of panther feel sometimes a little annoying because the stable state of jaguar is still fresh memory since i upgraded only 2 weeks ago.

go apple! bring the updates when they are ready. i don't mind it taking a week longer if that's what it takes to make it more stable.
 
"MAIL": Crash Central

Originally posted by adzoox
I have liked 10.3 - except for mail. Has anyone else had a problem with 10.3 (all updates applied) and Mail.app?... (Mail_unexpectedly quits)
I'm running a Quicksilver 2002 Dual 1GHz and Mail crashes on me a lot for no reason and EVERYTIME I select an email and try to teach Mail that it is Junk... it will crash 100% of the time. It is so frustrating because one of the best things about Mail is its filtering out the junk, but lately, the spammers are getting smarter and lots more of this stuff is getting through. Without being able to teach Mail what is Junk, I've got to weed through a lot of crap again.
 
Concerning Jag vs Panther networking.

What is it about the networking that you don't like exactly? Is it the functionality, the consistency of being able to get a connection, or the user interface?

I went straight from an OS8.6 Bondi iMac to a Panther 1.25 PB, so to me the User Interface for networking friggin rocks :D
I've kinda stood by and watched people whine about Panther networking without saying a word, so I thought I'd step up to the plate. It's a shame that the whiners and negative attitudes are always the disproportionally louder group. Has there been a poll on this? if not, may make a good poll...

That said, out family also has two Jag machines still left in it, and when I go to use networking functions on them, I find the command K window, and having the Network Drive appear on the (always covered) desktop to be cumbersome compared to the network Drive appearing on the "Left Side Bar" (technical name for that?).

Functionality wise, I dunno how reliable Panther networking is compared to Jaguar, but then that isn't what I'm talking about :)

Tyler
Earendil
 
Re: "MAIL": Crash Central

Originally posted by JGowan
I'm running a Quicksilver 2002 Dual 1GHz and Mail crashes on me a lot for no reason and EVERYTIME I select an email and try to teach Mail that it is Junk... it will crash 100% of the time. It is so frustrating because one of the best things about Mail is its filtering out the junk, but lately, the spammers are getting smarter and lots more of this stuff is getting through. Without being able to teach Mail what is Junk, I've got to weed through a lot of crap again.

Try deleting your pref files.
 
my gripes with 10.3 (+extras) thus far...

word highlight shortcut keys are different in each application

can't stop stuff which is causing the system to lock up in safari (assessing a localhost for instance) - pizza wheel appears

no "mail to" action on right-click file select

activity monitor takes up 156mb of virtual memory!?

can't see size of file just by clicking on it (tool/taskbar)

expose is sluggish initially

can't tab to pulldown menus or radio clicks -why??

sometimes when dropping stuff into the Applications folder, it seems to go in but disappears - not to be found in either location without a word of warning.

volume and brightness controls can be very slow to operate.

itunes doesn't show enough/allow enough time to see the whole Shoutcast title. Should allow grabbing scroller and manually shifting it left<>right

Font listing!!! (in Word), way too big, can;t scroll quickly, and can't quickly jump to an entry by typing the first few letters of the name.

Can't perform undo+redo operations in form boxes in Safari

The way safari doesn't seem to cache and page, and when returning to the previous page starts at the top and moves down after other page elements have reloaded

When returning to a page in Safari, starts at the top, manually scroll to a place of your bidding - when it finally finishes reloading the page it jumps back to the original place (linked with bug above)

Safari - a page fails to load, message dialogue appears, address bar loses focus so can't quickly reload the page.

Safari - when you write a long document in a textarea window in one tab, go into another tab and return back, the textarea remains in focus but it scrolls back up to the top (cursor remains at the bottom)

No easy way to arrange files which may be oddly spaced all over a directory

No fast way to sort by name, date, etc. when in large icon mode

too much bloody space wasted with windows - spacing of icons is pretty crap

itunes - select a load of tunes in a finder window, drag them across to iTunes (the left-most window-playlists). iTunes automatically creates a playlist (good), highlights the "untitled playlist n" text, but doesn't transfer window focus.

iTunes - doesn't seem to recognise the numbers at the start of a filename...

calculator doesn't show zeros when they are being input after a decimal point.

iPhoto leaves the camera display on while downloading photos!

iPhoto doesn't download camera movies

iPhoto is slow, takes ages to connect to camera and start to process images. Pizza wheel of doom shows regularly.

iPhoto doesn't show current file location - just a file name!!

iPhoto/Finder doesn't seem to show icon previews of some JPG images!?

Safari/Finder won't allow you a contextual right/ctrl-click file options menu. So I can browse for files in Safari, find one and open it, archive it, etc. from the dialog. Rationale: If I'm uploading a photo to a website, I want to definitively find out what it is beforehand (rather than using separate Finder window).

Word vX is slow as you like!
 
Whoever Breaches Their Agreement

Whoever breaches their confidentiality agreement and posts this stuff is a low-life in my book.

Apple makes this stuff available confidentially for a reason. If people can't keep their mouths shut, they will stiop releasing it at all.
 
Re: Whoever Breaches Their Agreement

Originally posted by mstecker
Whoever breaches their confidentiality agreement and posts this stuff is a low-life in my book.

Apple makes this stuff available confidentially for a reason. If people can't keep their mouths shut, they will stiop releasing it at all.


If you're talking about the last guy who had the laundry list of gripes (mostly I agree with those btw), I think he was refering to 10.3 thus far in general.
 
Re: Re: Whoever Breaches Their Agreement

Originally posted by fabsgwu
If you're talking about the last guy who had the laundry list of gripes (mostly I agree with those btw), I think he was refering to 10.3 thus far in general.

Nope, I'm talking about whoever posted the detailed feature list that's in 10.3.3 build 7F34.

M.
 
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