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Mac OS X 10.4: Tiger
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iChan said:
the difference in my computer's performance from 10.2 to 10.3 was 15% overall (Xbench). if 10.4 only gives me another 10% increase in GUI performance, then hell yea i'll pay you $129. That's like upgrading an 867mhz to 1gz Most users didnt upgrade to panther so much because of Expose and Fast User Switching, but the performance boost was well worth the premium.
But then we could never have something revolutionary in an OS Eleven. Or OSXI (is that pronounced "oh-sexy?"). Or OS//. Or OS 22/2.iChan said:
Hm. Maybe you're right... maybe there's no techno-cool way to say eleven. Or twelve for that matter.
But if they had something really radical (like X was to 9), maybe they could borrow an old name again, and call it Mac2. Or OS2. IBM isn't using it anymore.
My stuffed toy lemur named "Robert" (as in Robert E. Lemur) would love to have an Apple operating system named after him. Robert would make a fine Mac OS mascot. He looks like this:iLilana said:
attention...
I got to wondering why so many people replied to a post that had virtually no new information.... To summarize: OS 10.4 is coming at some point... we don't know when. It is called tiger (yippee), Safari will be upgraded but we have no idea how. Well that's news! I guess everyone tuned in to macrumors because new hardware was rumored to be released today then felt like they hadda comment on something!
I got to wondering why so many people replied to a post that had virtually no new information.... To summarize: OS 10.4 is coming at some point... we don't know when. It is called tiger (yippee), Safari will be upgraded but we have no idea how. Well that's news! I guess everyone tuned in to macrumors because new hardware was rumored to be released today then felt like they hadda comment on something!
Tiauguinho said:As I've already told Arn, there is a little bit more info on that article, not a lot, but still:
.The Internal build of Tiger is 8A85(the "A" means its still on Alpha)
. And that it uses Safari v133 as oposed to v125.1 that 10.3.3 uses
And that's all
Okay, there is one thing that REALLY bothers me about people making assumptions in the build numbers: The letter means JACK SQUAT. The rumor people placing importance on the letter are placing the importance solely because they don't know how build numbers work.
If the whole A = Alpha, B = Beta was true, apparently we were sold a beta OS in the form of 10.3, and should request a refund. 4Kxx builds apparently represent some sort of 'Kappa' series of builds, and Jaguar/Puma let to some really odd build series like Mu and Nu... (Please realize this paragraph is solely designed to show that the assumptions are more than a little off-base)
The letters in the build numbers are solely to allow the developers organize the builds in a fashion that makes it easier for testing. A simple breakdown of build numbers are as follows:
8A85 splits into 3 parts: 8, A, 85
8 is the major build number. In this case, it represents the 10.4 build branch (7 was panther, 6 was puma, 5 was 10.0.x, and 4 was the beta). A is the branch ID for the build. These branches represent major changes in parts of the code, such as certain features being added onto the build that would cause it to become a new branch. 85 is simply the build number in the branch. This number tells you how many revisions they have gone through, attempting to revise the code for the branch.
Granted, the build *IS* an alpha, but the A in the build number doesn't tell you that.
Whotheheck said:
Actually, you DO have a weird version of Panther. The boxed retail version of Panther allows installs on any partition, whether or not it has a previous version of Mac OS X on it or not.
I don't get what the point is of saying that Apple only sells upgrades to the Mac OS because every Mac has always come with a previous version. Fine, so your original Mac OS pricing was included in your Mac, and now you're just paying $129 upgrades. Or fine, you got the Mac OS for free with your Mac, and now you're paying $129 for each full version.
The point is, it doesn't make a damn bit of difference whether you call each new version of Mac OS X an upgrade or a full version. Apple used to offer discounts on retail boxes of the Classic Mac OS if you bought the previous version. That's what people mean by "upgrades". Apple doesn't do this anymore. So when people complain about having to purchase another "full version" of Mac OS X, they mean "not discounted". When you challenge them and say they're purchasing upgrades, you're just debating about semantics, while skirting around the real issue.
iChan said:
Maybe you didn't notice, but Safari is available for Jaguar too. Oh, and look, you're wrong about iChat AV, too! Game over, try again.
manu chao said:
you're lucky. 2 website I go to regulalry (the one I use to fill out my reports for work and the jay leno website) don't work properly on a mac.
iChan said:
i think you are right in a sence that people are now able to purchase it separately and it is therefore not bundled into operating system; however, i cannot see that 10.4 would ship without ANY version of itunes/iphoto/imovie. it's just that there are no free upgrades to other ilife apps than itunes (which is still free, and will be at least as long as the battle between aac and wma is going on.)
latest and greatest will cost extra, mainly because of the huge size of garageband & idvd; they are a good excuse for bundling consumer media applications together as they are so huge they require dvd and are definetely not feasible for web download distribution. funny thing, though, that it is now bundled into computer purchase rather than os purchase
simX said:
The links you use actually make iChan's point. The Jaguar versions are out of date (Safari 1.0, iChat and not iChat AV).
simX said:
It's not a "weird" version. It's likely the upgrade version.
simX said:
Apple does sell $20 upgrades to people who bought Macs just before the latest OS version is announced. The retail versions are not upgrades. They are full releases of a new point version of the OS.
The bobcat is more brown, with indistinct spotting and dark bars on forelegs; legs are shorter; tail is black but the bottom is white, lynx have a black band that encircles the entire tail; bobcats have smaller ear tufts.Awimoway said:
all about lynx
Mac Dummy said:I'm wondering if Apple will offer a discount on this new OS for owners of new Macs running Panther (since the Mac World Expo in January). However, if Apple offered discounts to Panther users since 10.3 came out in October that would be cool, too!
I guess if "Tiger" is a pay to play version only it'll probably cost the same as every version of OS X before it.
They tend to offer discounted ($20) upgrades - different than the full retail version in that they require a previous version of OS X - only to people who've bought Macs very recently (like 10 days or so).
those 20-dollar-upgrade version installers are different from retail installers - they don't allow installing on a freshly formatted drive, but require older OS presence instead. that's why it's called upgrade.
and for someone who mentioned jaguar only having regular ichat (without av), you're only partly correct: jaguar has ichat for free, but ichat av is available for extra cost. so regarding availability, yes, ichat av is available for jaguar users, but newest and greatest cost money.
safari however, there's nothing to be done, it's 1.0 max and impossible to get newer version because OS has changed so much between jag and panther. it's stupid to ask for panther technology upgrade for jaguar to get the newest safari, because that's why they sell panther.
and for someone who mentioned jaguar only having regular ichat (without av), you're only partly correct: jaguar has ichat for free, but ichat av is available for extra cost. so regarding availability, yes, ichat av is available for jaguar users, but newest and greatest cost money.
safari however, there's nothing to be done, it's 1.0 max and impossible to get newer version because OS has changed so much between jag and panther. it's stupid to ask for panther technology upgrade for jaguar to get the newest safari, because that's why they sell panther.
i've never heard of such thing.
have you actually gotten one, or has anybody else?
have you actually gotten one, or has anybody else?
JFreak said:
macdong said:
I have the $20 Panther upgrade disks, yes. They only work on top of a previous OS X installation.
macdong said:
I do. If you buy a Mac shortly after an OSX release, you get the Install/Restore CDs with the previous OS version, and an Upgrade CD with the new one.
It just means if you need to reinstall from scratch, it's always a 2-step install process (well, with the updates, it's 3 steps!)
whooleytoo said:
What's worse, is you literally have to buy a Mac shortly after an OSX release -- the "Up to Date" offers expire quickly. Apple flushes their supply chain, but if you buy at CompUSA or Microcenter, it might not have gotten Panther or iLife '04, and both upgrade offers have expired.