Mac OS X 10.6.7 Build 10J850 Seeded to Developers

[reubs]

I'm having terrible issues with Airport not responding/going out randomly and when I wake my MBP from sleep. It's from prior to the 10.6.6 update (I took it in at Thanksgiving to be looked at), and it's really becoming a problem.

The only way to fix it is a restart, and I'm tired of restarting a few times a week (if not daily). The Genius bar determined it wasn't hardware, so hopefully 10.6.7 will fix it.

 

[pondosinatra]

"No known issues are listed in the documentation."

No known issues? Fix the effin font spacing issue in the Help Menu!!! Jesus H. Christ! How bloody hard is it to fix this which was 'introduced' when SL first came out.

 

[jasonmburns]

Is BootCamp Fixed?

BootCamp is Broken. Does this include a fix for BootCamp?

Boot Camp Assistant v3.0.4 prompts you to "Download the Windows support software for this Mac" (Boot Camp driver software) if it is launched after installing the Mac OS X v10.6.6 combo update.


The following message appears when you attempt to save the software to a flash drive, or burn it to a disc:
"The Windows support software could not be saved to the selected folder. An error occurred while saving the Windows support software."

After selecting "Continue" the system log may contain the following error:
Boot Camp Assistant[PID] *** -[DRBurn writeLayout:]: Could not set the layout for the burn.

If you click the "Burn" button, nothing happens.

http://support.apple.com/kb/TS3648

 

[cvaldes]

Unfortunately, Jobs and Apple have realized the iOS platform is generating much more $ for them, therefore they are focusing on that.

Believe me, I'm sick of the iOS talk as well. I think the iPad is such a waste

I enjoy using my iPad and iPod touch; they are very well designed. The iPad is a game changer; it has changed the way I think about all of my computing devices. I don't use my Mac that much these days, mostly if I'm typing a longer e-mail, editing photos or videos, and that's about it.

Personally I am quite pleased that iDevices makes scads of money.

As an AAPL shareholder, my main worry is tripping over these large sacks of money strewn all over the place.

 

[jasonmburns]

For some people the iPad is a waste. I know someone who bought 2 iPads on launch day. He sold them when he realized his 13" MBP was enough for him and his family.

On the other hand, my pastor at church uses an iPad for notes, has different versions of the Bible, e-mail.. etc. all on one device. So for some people the iPad is a handy tool and not a waste.

I can't wait to get my iPad 2 this year. I can use it for notes and a lot more stuff at college. Just my opinion.

My pastor at church also uses an iPad for the Bible and notes among other things. He pulls out a black leather book that at first glance appears to be a Bible, but inside sits a shiny iPad just loaded with the good news! No paper Bible in sight.

 

[nefan65]

My pastor at church also uses an iPad for the Bible and notes among other things. He pulls out a black leather book that at first glance appears to be a Bible, but inside sits a shiny iPad just loaded with the good news! No paper Bible in sight.

Well...the original 10 commandments were written on Tablets...

Ahhhhh Thank You!

 

[3282868]

I enjoy using my iPad and iPod touch; they are very well designed. The iPad is a game changer; it has changed the way I think about all of my computing devices. I don't use my Mac that much these days, mostly if I'm typing a longer e-mail, editing photos or videos, and that's about it.

Personally I am quite pleased that iDevices makes scads of money.

As an AAPL shareholder, my main worry is tripping over these large sacks of money strewn all over the place.

Don't misunderstand, the iPad is a great device and has great potential. Epocrates and other medical software is great and many businesses use iPads now for easy access to files and documentation. I know a few major law firms that implement iPads.

However, it seems with the billions in hardware sales via the iTunes Store model Apple has made, iOS and iDevices have taken a front seat to what Apple has meant for so many of us. Before the iPhone OS X beta's and development were frontpage news. Now almost EVERY post is about iOS and iDevices. Lion? Not so much. What happened to resolution independence, Sun Microsystems ZFS, and tweaks such as the "Answering Machine" function in iChat that was in a Leopard beta that allowed recorded outgoing video/audio messages and recording incoming messages in voice/video format. That feature would be great for the deaf and it would allow iChat better usage, and there was a possible implementation of landlines/VoIP systems with OS X and iChat.

All these features were dropped, Apple placed a lot of OS X developers on its iPhone development in 2006-2007, and this seems to have not changed. Now the OS X App Store? Lion seems more of a meow than a roar.

I know a lot of professionals who have sworn by OS X (Photographers, industrial designers, etc) who are considering switching to Windows. After Apple went to Intel the Power Mac G5 was a reasonably priced tower and was dropped for server grade Xeon chipsets in Mac Pro's with pricetags professionals and businesses cannot afford. XServe is gone, soon OS X Server, the dedicated CCFL LCD ACD's were dropped and replaced with a stripped down iMac LED LCD panel. All this points to Apple's focus on cash grabbing consumer grade electronics. Where does that leave the Apple professionals who have been with the company for decades? IPads and iMac's are not powerful enough, and Mac Pro's are overkill. I have a friend on the Final Cut Pro development team working for a launch on April. From what I gather, don't expect much of an overhaul. I've even heard hints they may integrate publishing a la iPhoto to Facebook, et al via Final Cut. What?! This is software the film industry has used for years. Now many are considering investing in Avid and Adobe Premiere Pro.

 

[pondosinatra]

...I've even heard hints they may integrate publishing a la iPhoto to Facebook, et al via Final Cut. What?! ...

That is the point at which I will cease to be an Apple fan, supporter, and frankly shareholder.

 

[MikhailT]

Unfortunately, Jobs and Apple have realized the iOS platform is generating much more $ for them, therefore they are focusing on that.

Believe me, I'm sick of the iOS talk as well. I think the iPad is such a waste

…..

However, it seems with the billions in hardware sales via the iTunes Store model Apple has made, iOS and iDevices have taken a front seat to what Apple has meant for so many of us. Before the iPhone OS X beta's and development were frontpage news. Now almost EVERY post is about iOS and iDevices. Lion? Not so much.

You do have to understand that while the iOS platform makes crapload of money, it also ensures a better future for both Apple and Mac side. Eventually, there’ll be a peak and Apple will not be able to make the same amount of money that they’re making now. Also, you’d want Apple to saturate the market as fast as they can so that more people buy into iPad, the more they buy into the Apple ecosystem which means more Macs in the future. More Macs, more focus on the Mac OS X.

Apple is focusing on the core of Mac OS X, it is the same as iOS. Any tuning they do to OS X goes into the iOS as well. The grand central APIs in SL is going to be a big boon for the iOS devices as soon as multi-core hardware becomes available.

What happened to resolution independence, Sun Microsystems ZFS, and tweaks such as the "Answering Machine" function in iChat that was in a Leopard beta that allowed recorded outgoing video/audio messages and recording incoming messages in voice/video format. That feature would be great for the deaf and it would allow iChat better usage, and there was a possible implementation of landlines/VoIP systems with OS X and iChat.

All these features were dropped, Apple placed a lot of OS X developers on its iPhone development in 2006-2007, and this seems to have not changed. Now the OS X App Store? Lion seems more of a meow than a roar.

A lot of things have changed. RI isn’t easy to do, and it’ll take a while to get it done. I rather they get it done right the first time. Also, if it requires a lot of GPU power, it makes sense that Apple may be waiting for better GPU/OpenCL implementations first.

ZFS has been pulled due to licensing restrictions and because Oracle bought Sun. Without any assurances from Oracle that they won’t sue Apple for any reasons or full rights agreement to ZFS, it’s not going to happen. Apple have better chances of working on their own FS or improving from a FS from the linux ecosystem like the BrtFS which includes some ZFS features. We did hear a few job postings for File Systems Engineers a while back.

The answering machine, they’ll probably merge Facetime into iChat. I don’t know why it’s taking them this long to do this but it may have something to do with licensing the video/audio codecs.

I know a lot of professionals who have sworn by OS X (Photographers, industrial designers, etc) who are considering switching to Windows. After Apple went to Intel the Power Mac G5 was a reasonably priced tower and was dropped for server grade Xeon chipsets in Mac Pro's with pricetags professionals and businesses cannot afford. XServe is gone, soon OS X Server, the dedicated CCFL LCD ACD's were dropped and replaced with a stripped down iMac LED LCD panel. All this points to Apple's focus on cash grabbing consumer grade electronics. Where does that leave the Apple professionals who have been with the company for decades? IPads and iMac's are not powerful enough, and Mac Pro's are overkill. I have a friend on the Final Cut Pro development team working for a launch on April. From what I gather, don't expect much of an overhaul. I've even heard hints they may integrate publishing a la iPhoto to Facebook, et al via Final Cut. What?! This is software the film industry has used for years. Now many are considering investing in Avid and Adobe Premiere Pro.

No excuses for those but they aren’t sudden changes. It has been long known that Apple was moving away from the enterprise/professional type of solutions toward more of “proconsumers” market.

 

[jasonmburns]

All I can say is I am a little disappointed. Based on the cost of the devices, the eye candy put into the design of the hardware along with the OS, and all the hype from their fanboys/girls, I thought Apple would be pretty polished by now.

I bought my first new Mac this week to go along with my iPhone 4. I instantly upgraded the hard drive to 750GB 7,200RPM with huge cache and added 8GB of memory. Then I installed the OS and iLife without a hitch. I ran to the store to pick up a copy of Parallels. Then I ran Boot Camp to install Windows 7. I intended to create a 250GB partition for Windows 7 and keep the rest for OS X. Then I would point Parallels to the Windows 7 partition so I had the option to boot using Boot Camp, or for convenience, to run a program from Windows 7 using Parallels if needed so I wouldn't have to restart if I didn't need to.

I ran Boot Camp, it asked me to download Windows support files, after that it asked if I wanted to save to a FAT drive or burn a CD. First I tried to burn the CD. I clicked the burn button but nothing happened. I had trouble ejecting the disk. I even used the Disk Utility. Nothing was working. I had to reboot to get it to eject. Later I found that Boot Camp was not allowing it to eject, and you have to hit the back button and eject it from Boot Camp. Then I decided to just put it on a FAT formatted disk. That also failed. I was getting the error: "The Windows support software could not be saved to the selected folder. An error occurred while saving the Windows support software." If I clicked continue, it would take me back to the same place. It was like I was stuck in a loop or something. I tried over and over until I decided to quit trying and Google for a solution.

I finally found a work-around to get me going. It is located here: http://support.apple.com/kb/TS3648

This is not a fix. I hope Apple will work to fix this. Does anyone know if a fix will be included in this build?

I guess with all the hype on the design and the features of Apple hardware and software, I set my expectations a little high. I just expected my first experience with a Mac to be a little smoother. I figured most of my troubles would be coming from the Windows partition, not the OS X partition.

Thanks,
Jason

 

[seashellz]

doesnt "no know issues" 2-3 times in a row mean its ready to be pushed out the door?

 

[jasonmburns]

Almost Forgot

BTW: I bought the MacBook Pro.

 

[newfoundglory]

Can't wait for Apple to start seeding 10.7.w00t

Maybe, just MAYBE, they have already started making Mac OS X 10.7 available to select Macintosh developer(s).....

Then again, such information would be covered by NDA... so I couldn't *speculate* any further then that

 

[chrfr]

"No known issues are listed in the documentation."

No known issues? Fix the effin font spacing issue in the Help Menu!!! Jesus H. Christ! How bloody hard is it to fix this which was 'introduced' when SL first came out.

I see your posts railing on this issue every time there's mention of a new update. What, exactly, are you talking about?

 

[AAPLGeek]

Any clues to future MBPs in this build?

 

[pondosinatra]

I see your posts railing on this issue every time there's mention of a new update. What, exactly, are you talking about?

Well I'm so glad you asked.

In finder, or when any app is active click on the menu bar - maybe start with File.....while the button is down drag across the top menus. Notice any difference when you get to the Help menu?

 

[wonderspark]

Well I'm so glad you asked.

In finder, or when any app is active click on the menu bar - maybe start with File.....while the button is down drag across the top menus. Notice any difference when you get to the Help menu?

No.
Edit: Are you talking about the help menu being different (smaller font) than the rest of the menus? The blue bar, the text entry field for search parameters... what's wrong with them?

 

[G4DP]

A lot of things have changed. RI isn’t easy to do, and it’ll take a while to get it done. I rather they get it done right the first time. Also, if it requires a lot of GPU power, it makes sense that Apple may be waiting for better GPU/OpenCL implementations first.

ZFS has been pulled due to licensing restrictions and because Oracle bought Sun. Without any assurances from Oracle that they won’t sue Apple for any reasons or full rights agreement to ZFS, it’s not going to happen. Apple have better chances of working on their own FS or improving from a FS from the linux ecosystem like the BrtFS which includes some ZFS features. We did hear a few job postings for File Systems Engineers a while back.

The answering machine, they’ll probably merge Facetime into iChat. I don’t know why it’s taking them this long to do this but it may have something to do with licensing the video/audio codecs.

Jobs starting harping on about RI when Tiger was being developed. There is no reason for it to take 4 years or more to figure out. You can see the way Apple's Pro software is going, look at the crap added to Apeture. Facebook, Flickr. No professional with any pride in their work would publish via/or use those features.

Apple isn't just moving away from the professional market it has left it for dead. At one time the mid range tower was value for money. Now they are a joke. It must be an in joke at Infinite Loop.

Granted the iCarp is making them loads of money now. But who will Apple turn to when the iSheep move on to the next set of fads. Those whose money kept the company going last time will have left for the stuff coming from Redmond.

 

[MrNomNoms]

Jobs starting harping on about RI when Tiger was being developed. There is no reason for it to take 4 years or more to figure out. You can see the way Apple's Pro software is going, look at the crap added to Apeture. Facebook, Flickr. No professional with any pride in their work would publish via/or use those features.

Apple isn't just moving away from the professional market it has left it for dead. At one time the mid range tower was value for money. Now they are a joke. It must be an in joke at Infinite Loop.

Granted the iCarp is making them loads of money now. But who will Apple turn to when the iSheep move on to the next set of fads. Those whose money kept the company going last time will have left for the stuff coming from Redmond.

And you happen to be an expert in the area of resolution independence? there is a reason why it isn't available - because the the results are inconsistent with hardware acceleration and in some cases the performance actually decreases. So you want an inconsistent experience with major slow downs in some cases? come on - know your limits when it comes to complex topics before opening your mouth.

Apple cannot do anything in the way of their professional tools until QtKit is complete which it isn't in the case of Snow Leopard hence the reason why all 64bit applications are bridging back to the Carbon 32bit QuickTime Framework - it just isn't feature complete. Creating a new API from the ground requires more than just hiffing crap against a wall and hoping it sticks - it requires the professional side and the Mac OS X developers working together but even then it has to be balanced up with other priorities.

As for iOS, it is becoming a mature platform and you'll find that eventually the two will harmonise and given equal time; the reason why iOS receives so much attention is because so much needs to be done to get it up to the 'level' which Apple is happy with. iOS 4.3 is a very modest upgrade and quite frankly I don't see anything revolutionary happening in the next couple of years - more fine tuning, maybe a few extra API's but nothing along the lines of adding 'must have features' such as multi-tasking etc. which I'd consider 'critical'. Once those critical things are in there it will be interesting to see where Apple will go - will it try to explore new markets or happy with the hardware line up and focus on developing services to cater for the traditional computing and iOS devices.

 

[G4DP]

And you happen to be an expert in the area of resolution independence? there is a reason why it isn't available - because the the results are inconsistent with hardware acceleration and in some cases the performance actually decreases. So you want an inconsistent experience with major slow downs in some cases? come on - know your limits when it comes to complex topics before opening your mouth.

Apple cannot do anything in the way of their professional tools until QtKit is complete which it isn't in the case of Snow Leopard hence the reason why all 64bit applications are bridging back to the Carbon 32bit QuickTime Framework - it just isn't feature complete. Creating a new API from the ground requires more than just hiffing crap against a wall and hoping it sticks - it requires the professional side and the Mac OS X developers working together but even then it has to be balanced up with other priorities.

As for iOS, it is becoming a mature platform and you'll find that eventually the two will harmonise and given equal time; the reason why iOS receives so much attention is because so much needs to be done to get it up to the 'level' which Apple is happy with. iOS 4.3 is a very modest upgrade and quite frankly I don't see anything revolutionary happening in the next couple of years - more fine tuning, maybe a few extra API's but nothing along the lines of adding 'must have features' such as multi-tasking etc. which I'd consider 'critical'. Once those critical things are in there it will be interesting to see where Apple will go - will it try to explore new markets or happy with the hardware line up and focus on developing services to cater for the traditional computing and iOS devices.

Firstly, no need to get personal.

I know it's difficult. I used to design small unix applications. Keep your ignorant assumptions to yourself. As for a slow and clunky performance, it's been that way since Leopard was released.

Apple is the only one that can move things forward. Until they pull their collective fingers out no one else can do anything. You say they need to work together. The other companies can't do a damn thing until Apple makes up it mind. Do they want Carbon or Cocoa. That's what buggered CS5 for Mac. Apple not Adobe

You may or may not recall when Steve Jobs stood on stage and proclaimed to the world Apple had just launched the fastest PC, spouting how 64bit was the way to go? Yet they can't even be bothered to make their own software 64bit, so why should everyone else.

 

[MrNomNoms]

Firstly, no need to get personal.

Mate - there is a reason for the decisions they make, if you had the solution and some how an engineering genius then wouldn't it stand to reason that Apple would wish to employ you? I can programme but I'd never try to make bold claims as to knowing why Apple makes the decisions they do.

I know it's difficult. I used to design small unix applications. Keep your ignorant assumptions to yourself. As for a slow and clunky performance, it's been that way since Leopard was released.

Mate, I've been using Mac's since 10.2 on my eMac and in all due respects you don't know what the hell you're talking about. Finder is a HUGE improvement over previous releases; gone at the days that the whole friggin finder would lock up because a mounted network volume when bye-bye, better responsiveness, smoother scrolling etc. Under a heavy load I can compress a couple of videos in the background, watch a Flash video and do something else without skipping a beat.

Apple is the only one that can move things forward. Until they pull their collective fingers out no one else can do anything. You say they need to work together. The other companies can't do a damn thing until Apple makes up it mind. Do they want Carbon or Cocoa. That's what buggered CS5 for Mac. Apple not Adobe

They've made it clear - Cocoa is the future. Yes there was confusion 2-3 years ago but there is no confusion today so to bring up the issue of Carbon versus Cocoa is a red herring.

You may or may not recall when Steve Jobs stood on stage and proclaimed to the world Apple had just launched the fastest PC, spouting how 64bit was the way to go? Yet they can't even be bothered to make their own software 64bit, so why should everyone else.

Yes, 64bit is the way to do but where did Apple say that all their software would be 64bit by a certain time? where did they claim that all software will be 64bit the day Snow Leopard launch? they gave no indications other than "64bit is the future" - that is no worse than Microsoft taking until 2010 to release a 64bit version of Office but even *THEN* they're telling customers to stick to 32bit for compatibility reasons. Even if Apple released 64bit versions of all their software there would still be people needing to use the 32bit version for the sake of compatibility.

"No known issues are listed in the documentation."

No known issues? Fix the effin font spacing issue in the Help Menu!!! Jesus H. Christ! How bloody hard is it to fix this which was 'introduced' when SL first came out.

Could you provide a screenshot - I'm sitting here and I can't work out what you're getting at:

 

[pondosinatra]

...



Could you provide a screenshot - I'm sitting here and I can't work out what you're getting at:

The font spacing and size is completely different! The menu bar has been consistent since OS 7.6 days if not from the beginning....then SL comes out and they decide to change just the Help menu. Why? For years Apple fans (including myself) have made fun of Windows' lack of UI consistency. This is such a glaring visual screw up that a) shouldn't have been introduced to begin with and b) should be ***** simple to fix!

I'm not the only one annoyed by this. From: http://wiki.macworld.com/index.php/Snow_Leopard_Glitches_and_Gripes#Finder

"UI inconsitencies

The Help Menu uses a different font and different geometry than the rest of the menus... looks cheap."

 

[MrNomNoms]

The font spacing and size is completely different! The menu bar has been consistent since OS 7.6 days if not from the beginning....then SL comes out and they decide to change just the Help menu. Why? For years Apple fans (including myself) have made fun of Windows' lack of UI consistency. This is such a glaring visual screw up that a) shouldn't have been introduced to begin with and b) should be ***** simple to fix!

I'm not the only one annoyed by this. From: http://wiki.macworld.com/index.php/Snow_Leopard_Glitches_and_Gripes#Finder

"UI inconsitencies

The Help Menu uses a different font and different geometry than the rest of the menus... looks cheap."

Ahhh I see what you mean, really strange that issue - I don't know what could have caused it

 

[G4DP]

10.2, wow that is a long time I bow to thee. I've only been using them since 8.6. I am in your shadow when it comes to knowledge of different Mac OS Versions.

 

[pondosinatra]

10.2, wow that is a long time I bow to thee. I've only been using them since 8.6. I am in your shadow when it comes to knowledge of different Mac OS Versions.

Ha! I've been using them since well the beginning, but with any frequency since System 6.0.7!

These kids today and their Apple TV's and their Angry Birds.....back in my day all we had was a tiny black and white screen and 512k of ram. And that was the way we liked it!