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Mac OS X 10.6.8 Brings TRIM Support for Apple SSDs, Graphics Improvements

a.gomez said:
better if the user can update things like video drivers - it is just a way for Apple to control what you put in your Mac or limit features.
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Or control the crap that people install. Locking in users to hardware/drivers (supposedly) protects the integrity of the system. Windows has a far more open policy, and look where that got it.

But I do think that not enabling TRIM for non-Apple drives is a bit petty. Surely that can't be another "bag of hurt", Steve?
orfeas0 said:
What if they are? If you want a file, don't delete it.
No offense, but why would you want to recover a deleted file? I mean you already have the option to recover it from the trash... If you delete it from the trash then you probably don't need it at all (or you should have thought better)
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Some of us mere mortals make mistakes. Have you ever changed your mind?
RalfTheDog said:
(Do you know what the cleaning lady does with your computer when you are down at the bar?).
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That's what log-in security is for, no? :rolleyes:
 
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Is anyone else noticing any strange behavior after the 10.6.8 update, like their dock is running some rogue processes? I updated to 10.6.8 and did the thunderbolt update on my 27" i7 iMac with the SSD from apple, and while my TRIM support is enabled, I've been noticing a few other hiccups that I have otherwise not seen in this machine... namely the Dock using 100% of my processors (out of 800%) and even after restarting the computer a few times it still does it, soon as its fully booted.
I've tried the KillAll command in terminal and a few other things that I know to do and none of it fixes the issue. :/
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Hmm.. Apple is getting too greedy IMO. Will Lion support TRIM with other third-party SSD brands? If not, shame on Apple!
 
So what's the verdict?

I'm planning on pickup up a OCZ SSD today, should I just bite the bullet and hope that the TRIM enabler works and everything works fine?

Real bummer that Apple is acting this way, I'm really hoping this isn't the case with the final release of Lion.
 
Just installed TRIM Enabler on my 13" MBP late 2009 (MacBookPro 5.5) with 120GB OCZ Vertex2 - and it works! thanks for the tip, whoever posted the link here
 
YoGramMamma said:
Is anyone else noticing any strange behavior after the 10.6.8 update, like their dock is running some rogue processes? I updated to 10.6.8 and did the thunderbolt update on my 27" i7 iMac with the SSD from apple, and while my TRIM support is enabled, I've been noticing a few other hiccups that I have otherwise not seen in this machine... namely the Dock using 100% of my processors (out of 800%) and even after restarting the computer a few times it still does it, soon as its fully booted.
I've tried the KillAll command in terminal and a few other things that I know to do and none of it fixes the issue. :/
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https://discussions.apple.com/message/15489327#15489327
 
ghostlines said:
I'm planning on pickup up a OCZ SSD today, should I just bite the bullet and hope that the TRIM enabler works and everything works fine?

Real bummer that Apple is acting this way, I'm really hoping this isn't the case with the final release of Lion.
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Trim enabler works.

The Apple restriction is purely artificial. The IO kernel extension looks up the model name of the drive and bails out if it isn't "APPLE SSD". Trim enabler disables that check and then everything works correctly.

Because of that it is pretty unlikely that anything will change in Lion.
 
macsmurf said:
Trim enabler works.

The Apple restriction is purely artificial. The IO kernel extension looks up the model name of the drive and bails out if it isn't "APPLE SSD". Trim enabler disables that check and then everything works correctly.

Because of that it is pretty unlikely that anything will change in Lion.
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Seems like you know what you're talking about. I bit the bullet and bought the OZC Agility 3 and threw it in my Macbook late 2008. By default TRIM wasn't enabled but after I installed TRIM enabler it's now enabled. Will be doing some of the famous test people are doing down the line. But the SSD really seems amazingly fast. Boot time about 20 secs, and all apps so far just launch with one bounce!:eek:
 
Anyone have a technical reason for not enabling TRIM on 3rd party drives or is it simply a business choice?
 
Enabling TRIM all over SSD drives does not seem to be such a good idea. For example Vertex 3 does not need TRIM as it efficiently does garbage collection inside FW already. At least that is the info regarding OS X on OCZ forums! Also many users reported problems (short freezes etc.) when using TRIM enabler...My guess is we should wait a little do get more info on that issues....
 
I was visiting the Madison, Wi Apple store today. I examined the Macbook Air machines on the tables to see for myself that TRIM is now enabled.

None of the machines in the store had 10.6.8 loaded. All had 10.6.7. I ask a sales person on the floor about TRIM and he did not know what I was talking about.
 
gertruded said:
I was visiting the Madison, Wi Apple store today. I examined the Macbook Air machines on the tables to see for myself that TRIM is now enabled.

None of the machines in the store had 10.6.8 loaded. All had 10.6.7. I ask a sales person on the floor about TRIM and he did not know what I was talking about.
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Some newer MacBook products have been shipped with a version of 10.6.7 that included TRIM support.

Apple does this often when it introduces new products.
 
kalex said:
Yes its called Greed or iGreed
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iGreed, that is a good one.

If it were not for the outcry, it would not surprise me if Apple checked for Apple branded memory and locked up the system if your system had third party memory installed. This is something that printer companies have been known to do in requiring specially branded very high priced memory.

Good thing that the trim enabler works for third party drives. I love most Apple HW, but when there are better and lower cost alternatives it makes no sense not to use them.

I personally would take any current Macsales SSD over anything that Apple is offering. Better speed, warranty and much lower cost too.
 
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mungler said:
http://www.groths.org/?p=308 - enabler for 10.6.7 (not sure if it needs to be updated for the 10.6.8 build)
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That seems to have worked well, thanks! Just rebooted & that seems to have fixed some lag I had before when after every restart I had to manually relaunch many applications like chat, mail, Chrome to get them working without lag where as now I didn't! Time will tell! Thanks! I have a SandForce SSD installed by the way. Chrome has become quuite noticeably snappier too! Many of the pages now load in a tenth of a second. This is great!
 
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NO graphics improvement

Unfortunately I cannot confirm the graphics improvement. On both my MacPros 3.1 w/GeForce 8800 and 4.1 w/ATI 4870 the Quartz and OpenGL Test are almost exactly the same as before, but the User Interface Test is 15% SLOWER than with 10.6.7!
 

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Still not supported?

joesuburb said:
10.6.8 still has no love for my TS256A :(


APPLE SSD TS256A:

Capacity: 251 GB (251,000,193,024 bytes)
Model: APPLE SSD TS256A
Revision: AGAB0202
Serial Number: 799S106GT0SZ
Native Command Queuing: No
Removable Media: No
Detachable Drive: No
BSD Name: disk0
Medium Type: Solid State
TRIM Support: No
Partition Map Type: GPT (GUID Partition Table)
S.M.A.R.T. status: Verified
Volumes:
Capacity: 209.7 MB (209,715,200 bytes)
Writable: Yes
BSD Name: disk0s1
Macintosh HD:
Capacity: 250.39 GB (250,387,783,680 bytes)
Available: 72.08 GB (72,084,054,016 bytes)
Writable: Yes
File System: Journaled HFS+
BSD Name: disk0s2
Mount Point: /
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joesuburb, I have the exact same SSD on my MBP15" and the Trim Support still says "NO" after applying the 10.6.8 update. Have you found any information on why we do not have the Trim Support enabled?

Thanks for your help.

Danielle
 
Resurrecting a dead thread:

My 27" iMac has TRIM enabled for my SSD. Do I have to install a TRIM program to get the benefits or is it 'built-in' to Lion and I don't have to do anything??

I paid enough for this SSD, I want it running at optimum speed....

:)
 
JimmyDreams said:
Resurrecting a dead thread:

My 27" iMac has TRIM enabled for my SSD. Do I have to install a TRIM program to get the benefits or is it 'built-in' to Lion and I don't have to do anything??

I paid enough for this SSD, I want it running at optimum speed....

:)
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Lion will handle everything for you.
 
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