Mac OS X 10.6 to Debut at WWDC 2008?

[socamx]

Whatever, your dual 1.8 Ghz G5 is a snail. Even the slowest iMac would blow it out of the water, and they only cost 1200.

You and other people just don't get it.

I like being able to replace my own parts. My G5 I can open up, replace anything I want in it and be good to go. No need to send it out to Apple or a repair center.

My G5 may not have mind-blowing 3D game performance but it is still a great photoshop and video editing machine. It is no snail and you are seriously out of touch if you think it is.

The iMac isn't a good machine for me and I don't feel I have to go into detail listing why, but here's a good one... I don't like LCD screens and the restricted resolution of them.

Any desktop G5 with a good video card can handle anything Leopard does, so if there are no significant updates to 10.6 then why drop PPC support? Universal binaries work great.

And yes, I know I'm not the voice of everyone but I'm willing to bet there are plenty of people just like me.

 

[TheSpaz]

2. Why on earth would Apple drop the 10.X before 10.9? That makes no sense. Although they are running out of big cat names. Somehow OS 10.9 Domesticated Housecat doesn't seem to appeal so much.

I don't even remember an OS 8.7, 8.8, or 8.9 before they jumped to 9.0. So your logic doesn't make sense. Also, I don't think there was a 7.7, 7.8 or 7.9 either... they stopped at 7.6.1 didn't they?

 

[SFauconnier]

The only reasonable scenario I can think of (IF this is true) is that we'll have 2 leopards living right next to each other untill Cugar or whatever comes out.
One would be Snow Leopard, the other just Leopard. Living next to each other and each getting semi-same updates.
Snow Leopard would then be intel only and well.. (maybe as a direct result, I don't know) more stable and secure.
The normal leopard would be multi-platform (PPC) but still receive the same updates.

And with pricing? I wouldn't have a clue..
Maybe that current Leopard users would get a discount or maybe even "free" (though unlikely, there must have gone lotsa working hours into this).

This is, of course, taking into account they'll release it ~ january.
If they release it ~december 2009, then it might be a different story.

But if it's planned for January and if it's just "security, stability and intell-only" stuff, I highly doubt they'll call it OS 10.7 nor that it'll replace the current Leopard.

 

[Quillz]

Actually, it makes perfect sense.

Apple announces their plan to release their new OS touting security and stability as the main features right in the midst of the PC world calling feature-creeped Vista a failure, moving back to XP and complaining about Vista's security and stability.

Who wouldn't switch?

Except Vista isn't a failure, and an extremely vocal minority of PC users are the only ones who are even doing such a stupid thing like downgrading to XP. It's about as dumb as downgrading from Leopard to Tiger.

 

[TwinCities Dan]

Whenever the next OS X comes out Apple had better re-vamp the GUI - like get rid of the stupid rounded, bubbly, blue, shadowed scroll bars and button elements, etc. These UI elements are so GAY

I dunno, I like 'em. (No, that doesn't mean I like men)

 

[SpinThis!]

I call BS again.

I doubt Apple can kill off Carbon, at least not now. Final Cut, Logic, and Apple's other pro applications are still Carbon. Apple wouldn't do that unless they have shipping versions of those applications ready to roll. But as far as I can tell, that's a huge undertaking—basically they're still in the same boat as Adobe in that respect. And there's still G5 towers and XServes that would love to run the latest FCP. Apple's losing a sale there, especially if some can justify the software purchase but not new hardware yet.

 

[SpinThis!]

Safari has a mode called "Developer Mode" and you can render your site in a variety of browser engines

haha, that's funny... Apple ported over the rendering engine of Microsoft just so developers can test their applications in it! Sorry, not a chance!

Actually, all the develop menu does is change the User Agent string of the web browser. This lets you tell sites you're "using" IE but it won't actually render like IE—doing this can sometimes let you into websites who are still (stupidly) browser sniffing where you normally might get shut out. But, it can also be useful for developing web pages for the iPhone or seeing if your favorite sites have iPhone versions (for example, Facebook).

 

[nuckinfutz]

Any desktop G5 with a good video card can handle anything Leopard does, so if there are no significant updates to 10.6 then why drop PPC support? Universal binaries work great.

And yes, I know I'm not the voice of everyone but I'm willing to bet there are plenty of people just like me.

Because Universal Binaries work great because they're tested before they ship. It's similar to developing a webpage. It'd be great if you could just target one browswer but since there are a plethora of browsers you have to target more. The testing is what brings the tedium. Same thing with UB. You have to test the Intel version and then test the PPC version. No one would say a high end G5 isn't a good performer but with each quartert that goes by the PPC machines lose more and more marketshare and developers are eager to jettison that second step of QA testing.

I call BS again.

I doubt Apple can kill off Carbon, at least not now. Final Cut, Logic, and Apple's other pro applications are still Carbon. Apple wouldn't do that unless they have shipping versions of those applications ready to roll. But as far as I can tell, that's a huge undertaking—basically they're still in the same boat as Adobe in that respect. And there's still G5 towers and XServes that would love to run the latest FCP. Apple's losing a sale there, especially if some can justify the software purchase but not new hardware yet.

Nope Carbon can't be killed off...Apple will wean developers off it slowly. Final Cut Studio is likely not going to ship this year so I expect that next year we will see a Cocoa FCS, Aperture, Logic Studio and more. Luckily even when Apple delivers a 10.6 it's not likely to have changes so drastic that there are a bunch of 10.6 only applications. Those G5 Powermacs and Xserve will continue to run Leopard like a champ.

 

[AidenShaw]

Nope Carbon can't be killed off...Apple will wean developers off it slowly.

If you have a 64-bit app, it seems to be that "killed" is the appropriate description.

Anyway, Apple needs to kill x86 completely.

Nevermind the people who were silly enough to buy Yonahs when Meroms were already sampling. Just kill x86. Now.

(If you look through the archives, I've always questioned why Apple used Yonah for a few systems - when Merom was out just a couple of months later. It's time for the "hindsight is always 20-20" cliché....)

 

[heisetax]

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i wish they would come out with a new OS.. like 11.xx.... i mean i love apple and everything they do i just think its time to revamp the whole thing.... Isnt it way to early for a new OS?? whatever i know apple will do it right.. looking forward to it!!

it just seems that way as for many, I'm included in that group have found that Mac OS 10.5 is not ready for prime time My average time to freeze or crash on my Intel Mac Pro is about 15 minutes. And that may be an overstatement because of themany times it doesn't even make it through the boot process. Mac OS 10.4.11 can run for days without a probllem.

Many people will be skipping Mac OS 10.5. Those will be the lucky ones as Apple will be charging their normal price (upgrade price only) as they are calling what should be something like Mac OS 10.5.8 or 10.5.9 update. Or maybe they just want a new name to cover their lack of quality, speed & stability. They seem to be copying MS Windows in more ways these days & this is just another of those ways.

Mac OS 10.0 was like Vistat, ahead of its software & support. 10.1 was beter, but still not there for those with mainly OS 9 software. After some early FW problems were solved 10.2 won me over as most of my needed software was OS X compatible. OS 10.3 was good from the start, great by time it ended at 10.3.9. OS 10.4 followed with a good, stable, fast & useful time with Mac OS 10.4.11 the best that Apple has done. Then something has happened. Mac OS 10.5 is no better at its present 10.5.3 than at 10.5.0. At the rate that things are getting better & Apple's statment that there will be little new iwth just speed, stability & security increases. That's what I thought we were to get when Apple went from 10.5 to 10.5.1 to 10.5.2 to 10.5.3 & on down the line until the release of what sounds like a point upgrade comes & is called Mac OS 10.6, Snow Leopard. Does that mean that 10.5 was the snow job or that 10.6 continues the snow job.

Just like most people question whether MS Office 2007 & 2008 are upgrades or just another new, poor quality product from MS. Vista is like Mac OS 10.0 new & not ready for use. I g¨´ss Steve Jobs saw how much software MS could sell with its questionable quality, so he seems to have had Apple follow MS's lead in this area with the introduction of Mac OS 10.5 Leopard.

I've always purchased Apple's systems updates the first day they come out. I then install them on an FW external drive. I run it from there until it becomes more useful &/or stable than the previous system. Mac OS 10.5 has not gotten out of the testing stage. At the rate it is progressing I'm not sure that it ever will.

With the way Mac OS 10.5 runs or should I say not run on my Intel Mac Pro, I'm fafraid to purchase a new Mac as they will require OS 10.5 to be able to run.

Wating eagerly for some more good OS software from Apple. Maybe it will run again. At least I have OS 10.4.11 to run on my PPC PowerMac & PowerBook, as well as on my Intel Mac Pro.

10.4.11 forever I guess,
Bill the TaxMan

 

[heisetax]

Save your money!!!

what's the hurry, I still haven't upgraded to leopard yet.

Save your money & don't upgrade.

Bill the TaxMan

 

[heisetax]

Really!

It's becoming rapidly outdated?

My PPC PowerBook handles the internet faster than my Intel Mac Pro does. Sometimes 2-3 times as fast. I downloaded the 350+ MB OS 10.5.3 update at the same time. The only thing that I really like my Intel Mac Pro for other than the 4 large displays attached to it is the speed with which it will run Windows software. With my systems the PPC will be living for a long, long time.

I only used Windows software to do my efiling. So long live the PPC. Is this Intel just another "Snow" job like the sugested Mac OS 10.6 "Snow"leopard?

Bill the TaxMan

 

[heisetax]

Just like Windows ME1

Will not happen. Tiger had 11 some odd software updates, Leopard still only has 3. Way too soon.

I think they aant tohave a name changed to get away with the aparent lack of quality, stability & speed of all Mac OS 10.5 versions.

Bill the TaxMan

 

[milo]

I don't even remember an OS 8.7, 8.8, or 8.9 before they jumped to 9.0. So your logic doesn't make sense. Also, I don't think there was a 7.7, 7.8 or 7.9 either... they stopped at 7.6.1 didn't they?

Apple has switched to a completely different naming convention. Their 10.x releases are comparable to a new X.0 version. I doubt we'll see 11.x until they either get to 10.9 or do an absolutely huge overhaul of the OS that requires a brand new name.

Except Vista isn't a failure, and an extremely vocal minority of PC users are the only ones who are even doing such a stupid thing like downgrading to XP. It's about as dumb as downgrading from Leopard to Tiger.

Vista is widely considered to be somewhat of a failure, and there are still quite a few users buying new machines with XP. Dell is just now saying that they will stop offering XP, saying "last chance" on their site. There are some serious performance issues on Vista - sticking with XP isn't stupid, nor is it remotely comparable to downgrading to Tiger (although there were some apps that didn't play nice with Leopard so I wouldn't be surprised if a few OSX users did downgrade).

it just seems that way as for many, I'm included in that group have found that Mac OS 10.5 is not ready for prime time My average time to freeze or crash on my Intel Mac Pro is about 15 minutes.

That sounds like either a corrupt install of 10.5 or a hardware problem with your machine. Especially if your mac pro is running slower than a PPC laptop. Either way, you should have it looked at, that's not typical behaviour for 10.5 - it would be silly to avoid upgrading the OS simply because it's hosed on one machine, just get the problem fixed.

 

[TheSpaz]

Wating eagerly for some more good OS software from Apple. Maybe it will run again. At least I have OS 10.4.11 to run on my PPC PowerMac & PowerBook, as well as on my Intel Mac Pro.

10.4.11 forever I guess,
Bill the TaxMan

It sounds like you have some MAJOR problems. Maybe you should consider backing up, reformatting and reinstalling. I have 10.5.3 running on my Mac Pro at home and I beat that computer up and it stays on for months at a time without freezing. You should also consider what third party apps, control panels, or plugins you're using and check them for new updates to make sure they're running well in the new OS. Leopard should certainly NOT be doing that to you... so it has to be something with third party software you have installed.

 

[APPLENEWBIE]

I seems to me highly unlikely that Steve Jobs would stand up in front of the herd with nothing to show but an upgraded iPhone. After all, the addition of 3g/gps/front camera and/or a few new apps is not really very interesting. It is what everyone has expected for an upgraded, V.2 iPhone. No magic there.

Almost without exception, when Jobs is involved, it is to announce something really new.

So, I am expecting some surprises...

 

[chicagdan]

I seems to me highly unlikely that Steve Jobs would stand up in front of the herd with nothing to show but an upgraded iPhone. After all, the addition of 3g/gps/front camera and/or a few new apps is not really very interesting. It is what everyone has expected for an upgraded, V.2 iPhone. No magic there.

Almost without exception, when Jobs is involved, it is to announce something really new.

So, I am expecting some surprises...

1) 3G iPhone
2) cheaper ($200) 2.5G iPhone
3) demo of new iPhone aps
4) Mobile Me
5) Snow Leopard
6) one more thing ... iTablet (coming in September)

Sounds like quite a show to me.

 

[APPLENEWBIE]

1) 3G iPhone
2) cheaper ($200) 2.5G iPhone
3) demo of new iPhone aps
4) Mobile Me
5) Snow Leopard
6) one more thing ... iTablet (coming in September)

Sounds like quite a show to me.

3g iPhone: yawn, scratch, scratch...
Cheaper 2.5g iPhone: nothing new, just lower price
demo of new iPhone apps: Wow. Apps. Just like I wish blackberry had apps... oh, wait....
Mobile Me: A utility that does hard-to-explain tricks (that I happen to use and like)
Snow Leopard: Holy smoke! it's really gonna be faster and more stable? (faint)
iTablet: nifty new toy. What does it really do better than a laptop for most people?

Sorry for the sarcasm....just having a little fun... you may be quite right!

 

[chicagdan]

3g iPhone: yawn, scratch, scratch...
Cheaper 2.5g iPhone: nothing new, just lower price
demo of new iPhone apps: Wow. Apps. Just like I wish blackberry had apps... oh, wait....
Mobile Me: A utility that does hard-to-explain tricks (that I happen to use and like)
Snow Leopard: Holy smoke! it's really gonna be faster and more stable? (faint)
iTablet: nifty new toy. What does it really do better than a laptop for most people?

Sorry for the sarcasm....just having a little fun... you may be quite right!

Let's not lose sight of the fact that this is not a consumer electronics show, it's a DEVELOPERS CONFERENCE. They care quite a bit about boring things like OS upgrades and new devices for the OS X mobility platform, regardless of how boring the consumer may find such talk.

 

[APPLENEWBIE]

Let's not lose sight of the fact that this is not a consumer electronics show, it's a DEVELOPERS CONFERENCE. They care quite a bit about boring things like OS upgrades and new devices for the OS X mobility platform, regardless of how boring the consumer may find such talk.

Yup. I probably expect way too much. No offense intended.

 

[DiamondMac]

Save your money & don't upgrade.

Bill the TaxMan

Agreed. I have Leopard and enjoy it very much but those still at Tiger are not missing that much, imo

 

[TwinCities Dan]

The thing that is making me a little mad if this rumor is true is not this though. My iMac Core Duo isn't really showing its age. It's not the fastest computer anymore but it still handles practically everything fine. It's the fact that the late G5's and specifically the Intel Core Duo support would also be dropped. I don't think this is exactly fair. If this rumor is true I would have only had my iMac Core Duo for about 2 1/2 years before I won't be able to update to the new operating system or any software that comes out for it later. I don't think that this is right.

I understand that Apple has to do what is best for Apple but I do not agree with it. Intel support (even if it is only 32 bit) should not be dropped at least until 10.7. I can see support for PPC G4's possibly being dropped but G5's and Intel are still perfectly capable machines that surely could run whatever new features are developed for 10.6. It's not like this will affect Apple's decision but I can hope can't I?

Just my $0.02

I just suped up my 1.83 CD MBP (2gb/320gb) because I was having the screen replaced. It is just over 2 years old. I hope I didn't screw myself out of 10.6