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It doesn't take that long to get a stable system. As I said, mine is just as stable as my genuine Macs, and the only time I invested was installing the OS.

Agreed, I installed SL on my core i7 media center box (previously running Ubuntu) just as a "wonder if it will work" afterthought, and the installation was actually faster than installing it on my macbook pro.

The hackintosh process used to be complicated, but no longer so. Nowadays you can just pop in a bootloader and install from a regular old retail Snow Leopard CD.
 
New $184 iMac chip blows old $384 iMac chip out of the water is more accurate.

Apple applies roughly a 100% markup so you should be able to get better performance and save $400 at the same time. I'd say that's cause for anticipation.

Okay, significantly cheaper is a good thing. Maybe if that's the benefit it should have been mentioned in the OP?

I'm not seeing where you're getting "blows...out of the water," though. This new 3.3GHz part gets 8874 points, according to the OP. According to the PrimateLabs list from hscottm, an old i7 2.8GHz gets 8312.

I'm not sure whether Geekbench scores scale linearly with clock speed, but that implies an old i7 at 3.3GHz would have gotten 9796. So the new i5s are a bit less far behind the old i7s than the old i5s were. Is that not what we're left to conclude? I'm really not sure, and neither this news article nor anyone's comments have clarified anything.
 
Wow, I just love clueless bozos who throw this crap out without having a friggin' clue. Let's review, shall we?
yeah that was waaaaaaaay back when?

now they are missing

quad core i7s in laptops
Thermal/power constraints. They'd have run too hot and reduced battery life significantly. Macbook Pros run hot enough as it is. It'd be nice to have them, but Apple aims for a certain tradeoff between overall speed and portability. They don't want to make brickbooks.
12 core in work stations
Gee, where were you six months ago when Apple put 2x6 core Xeons in the Mac Pro? Furthermore, Intel doesn't even MAKE a 12 core Xeon. 8 is the highest they go. Since Apple isn't using AMD, it's kind of impossible to use 12 core chips. A 2x6 core is a friggin' monstrosity as it is.
DDR3 ram that runs at DDR3 speeds not DDR2 (1066 is not DDR3 speeds)
You fail yet again. Apple's consumer-grade Macs use SO-DIMMs. SO-DIMMs only go up to DDR3 1600 speeds, but those are pretty rare. DDR3 1333 is the feasible top end, which the iMac currently uses. The same goes for ECC RAM in the Mac Pro. It only goes up to 1333mhz right now.
BD anything
And Apple has already given their reasons as to why they aren't going with BluRay.
Which is still very slow to catch on. I'd wager that Apple is banking on Light Peak sometime this year to overtake USB3 and adapters will fill the void until then. Time will tell.
eSATA / eSATAp
I can agree with this much. I would like eSATA on some Macs. eSATAp really hasn't caught on, though.
Utterly friggin' useless on anything but a Mac Pro, and there are add-in cards for that. The ONLY time SATA3 is even worth it is when you're either using top-end SSDs or RAID arrays on a port multiplier. None of that applies to consumer Macs.
HD video cams
It would be nice, but is this really a huge selling point? It's kinda pointless for video chatting in the first place as SD gets garbled enough as it is.
bluetooth 3
Right, because this is a huge leap and consumers are just clambering for it, aren't they?
Right, because this has really caught on...except that it hasn't. I don't think I've ever seen it used beyond some very niche products.
anything related to video performance, no 6xxx ati or 5xx nvidia video cards
and a bunch of others
So Apple should get on video cards the moment they come out? Radeon 6000 series support is actually in 10.6.6 minus a framebuffer. It's coming soon. I can agree somewhat with this point, but I don't expect Apple to stuff a GTX 580 into the Mac Pros the day the card launches. The certainly took their sweet time with the Radeon 5000 series. If rumblings are to be believed, Apple may finally be coming around to this now that Steam is on OS X and Valve is kicking Apple in the butt to get on the ball already. Still, people don't exactly buy Macs for their 3D gaming performance.


You have a few points and a lot of ignorant crap. Next time exercise a little rational thought and trim the list a little bit. Apple does indeed lag in some areas, but some areas are really not that important to begin with. Some are.
 
And Apple has already given their reasons as to why they aren't going with BluRay.

Which is still very slow to catch on. I'd wager that Apple is banking on Light Peak sometime this year to overtake USB3 and adapters will fill the void until then. Time will tell.

I can agree with this much. I would like eSATA on some Macs. eSATAp really hasn't caught on, though.

Utterly friggin' useless on anything but a Mac Pro, and there are add-in cards for that. The ONLY time SATA3 is even worth it is when you're either using top-end SSDs or RAID arrays on a port multiplier. None of that applies to consumer Macs.

It would be nice, but is this really a huge selling point? It's kinda pointless for video chatting in the first place as SD gets garbled enough as it is.

You're correct in many of your points, but there are a few I'd argue against. Apple should have included Blu-ray a long time ago. Apple says it's a DOA technology, but its rate of adoption is higher than that of DVD. Not to mention, nothing can compete with the quality of Blu-ray. Also, not everyone has ultra fast internet connections where streaming or downloading is a viable option. A lot of people will say that you don't need Blu-ray in a laptop because the screen isn't big enough. This is mostly true, but people don't want to have to buy a Blu-ray copy for their home theater and a DVD copy for travel or watching a movie in bed on their laptop. You would also get the slight picture quality benefit of not having to upscale like laptops have to do with DVDs.

In regards to USB 3, Apple could throw in a third party solution like pretty much every other computer manufacturer will be doing this year. Just because Apple will be supporting LP a year from now, doesn't mean people buying SB computers in a few weeks or months want to be stuck with USB 2 for the next 3-4 years of their computer's life. It's a good interim solution with absolutely no negatives to it. Even if LP takes off, USB 3 will probably coexist with LP for a few years.

The iSight camera needs an update. Throw an iPhone camera in there, I don't care. SD, garbled or not, is long over. Hopefully they'll upgrade it considering they have FaceTime for Mac now.
 
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You're correct in many of your points, but there are a few I'd argue against. Apple should have included Blu-ray a long time ago. Apple says it's a DOA technology, but its rate of adoption is higher than that of DVD. Not to mention, nothing can compete with the quality of Blu-ray. Also, not everyone has ultra fast internet connections where streaming or downloading is a viable option. A lot of people will say that you don't need Blu-ray in a laptop because the screen isn't big enough. This is mostly true, but people don't want to have to buy a Blu-ray copy for their home theater and a DVD copy for travel or watching a movie in bed on their laptop. You would also get the slight picture quality benefit of not having to upscale like laptops have to do with DVDs.
Oh, don't get me wrong, I'd love to see BluRay in Macs. In a way, Apple is dropping the ball, but I can also see where Steve is coming from. Sony has turned BluRay licensing into a labyrinthine mess. I think Jobs is banking on BluRay not picking up much (and growth has been slow, although with players finally getting cheap enough, it might pick up more, but BluRay movies at B&M stores are still too expensive) and is instead hoping people will buy/rent HD movies online. You don't necessary need to stream your movies. He has competing ideas. Time will tell if it pans out. I wish we could get both.
In regards to USB 3, Apple could throw in a third party solution like pretty much every other computer manufacturer will be doing this year. Just because Apple will be supporting LP a year from now, doesn't mean people buying SB computers in a few weeks or months want to be stuck with USB 2 for the next 3-4 years of their computer's life. It's a good interim solution with absolutely no negatives to it. Even if LP takes off, USB 3 will probably coexist with LP for a few years.
Maybe they figured it would be pointless to stick USB3 on Macs for about a year before going to Light Peak and letting people use inexpensive LP -> USB3 adapters at that point. It's another thing that would be nice, but isn't a serious dealbreaker as USB3 adoption has been pretty sluggish. USB2 was around for far too long and the USB3 B connector differences aren't helping adoption, either.
The iSight camera needs an update. Throw an iPhone camera in there, I don't care. SD, garbled or not, is long over. Hopefully they'll upgrade it considering they have FaceTime for Mac now.
I seem to remember Apple updating it to 1.3MP years ago, but that may have just been overall capability, not what is actually utilized. However, FaceTime is still SD video regardless of the camera being used. I'd like to see better iSight capabilities in regard to what you can do with it locally, but I'm not really shedding tears on whether or not I can get HD on video chat. It's like compressing and HD video into SD and 720p variants, but you still try to keep the bitrates really low. The 720p has higher resolution, but it still looks like ass. You don't get nearly as much benefit as you'd think.
 
Maybe they figured it would be pointless to stick USB3 on Macs for about a year before going to Light Peak and letting people use inexpensive LP -> USB3 adapters at that point. It's another thing that would be nice, but isn't a serious dealbreaker as USB3 adoption has been pretty sluggish. USB2 was around for far too long and the USB3 B connector differences aren't helping adoption, either.

LP is probably going to be great, but the thought of adapters, adapters and even more adapters isn't too tempting. And that's the problem, Apple will have to include USB2/3 for some time intill LP is mainstream.
 
Gee, where were you six months ago when Apple put 2x6 core Xeons in the Mac Pro? Furthermore, Intel doesn't even MAKE a 12 core Xeon. 8 is the highest they go. Since Apple isn't using AMD, it's kind of impossible to use 12 core chips. A 2x6 core is a friggin' monstrosity as it is.

sorry i guess i was looking at the 12core i7 but either way 8 cores arent available as you stated (but your already paying top dollar)

You fail yet again. Apple's consumer-grade Macs use SO-DIMMs. SO-DIMMs only go up to DDR3 1600 speeds, but those are pretty rare. DDR3 1333 is the feasible top end, which the iMac currently uses. The same goes for ECC RAM in the Mac Pro. It only goes up to 1333mhz right now.

what about every thing else? again, apple, top dollar, low end performance
i dont recall any of their laptops using DDR3 speed ram, as for desktops there are ram sticks that can run at 2.1GHz

Apple - 8.5GB/s - more expensive
PC - 18GB/s - less expensive

And Apple has already given their reasons as to why they aren't going with BluRay.

lol they gave their reasons? WTF again your paying top dollar, and you get nothing for it

Which is still very slow to catch on. I'd wager that Apple is banking on Light Peak sometime this year to overtake USB3 and adapters will fill the void until then. Time will tell.

usb 3 slow to catch on? WTF every new notebook,netbook and motherboard has USB 3, MSI even announced their new big bang series mobo ONLY has USB3 (8 of them)

go to new egg and type in USB3 into the search field, 4000+ USB 3 products show up, i take it no one is buying them right?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...A=0&Order=BESTMATCH&Description=usb+3&x=0&y=0

I can agree with this much. I would like eSATA on some Macs. eSATAp really hasn't caught on, though.

every HP elitebook has esatap, esatap is just USB + eSATA Combo port

Utterly friggin' useless on anything but a Mac Pro, and there are add-in cards for that. The ONLY time SATA3 is even worth it is when you're either using top-end SSDs or RAID arrays on a port multiplier. None of that applies to consumer Macs.

faster sata is useless? a C300 SSD can be had for $130 which reads up to 355MB/s only SATA 6GB can utilize this speed, SATA 6GB is also backwards compatible as is SATA 3

a top end SSD is a PCIe card that reads close to 1TB/s, the C300 is a consumer SSD thats readily available and cheap.

It would be nice, but is this really a huge selling point? It's kinda pointless for video chatting in the first place as SD gets garbled enough as it is.

top dollar, low end products....

Right, because this is a huge leap and consumers are just clambering for it, aren't they?

BT 3 is the current standard, the samsung wave which came out 3-4 months ago even has it

Right, because this has really caught on...except that it hasn't. I don't think I've ever seen it used beyond some very niche products.

all you need is a core i series cpu and one of the following

Intel® Centrino® Wireless-N 1000
Intel® Centrino® Advanced-N 6200, 6205, 6230, or 1030
Intel® Centrino® Advanced-N + WiMAX 6250 or 6150
Intel® Centrino® Ultimate-N 6300

which is pretty much all new laptops

So Apple should get on video cards the moment they come out? Radeon 6000 series support is actually in 10.6.6 minus a framebuffer. It's coming soon. I can agree somewhat with this point, but I don't expect Apple to stuff a GTX 580 into the Mac Pros the day the card launches. The certainly took their sweet time with the Radeon 5000 series. If rumblings are to be believed, Apple may finally be coming around to this now that Steam is on OS X and Valve is kicking Apple in the butt to get on the ball already. Still, people don't exactly buy Macs for their 3D gaming performance.

top dollar, low end performance
You have a few points and a lot of ignorant crap. Next time exercise a little rational thought and trim the list a little bit. Apple does indeed lag in some areas, but some areas are really not that important to begin with. Some are.

whats rational is that apple users should vote with their wallets, unless your ok with paying more than you have too and getting less. if apple users actually cared, apple would have all the up todate tech in their products or they would have no business
 
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no, not what apple is charging, a core2duo laptop should be $300-$400 bux, not $1200

core2duo's are 100% perfect for email, surfing, general stuff most people use, but when charging 1000+ prices, its becomes wrong

Uh please show me an existing C2D for $300. Right now, $300 gets you a "Pentium Dual Core", "Atom", or "AMD Turion II Neo" chip, which is usually not even C2D tech, much less Core-i.

To get a C2D shoddy dell or HP plastic laptop with substandard trackpad and Windows, you'll need to shell out at least $600-700.
 
It doesn't take that long to get a stable system. As I said, mine is just as stable as my genuine Macs, and the only time I invested was installing the OS.

Also, the TonyMac guys have overclocked SNB to 6.31 GHz. :)

Totally agree. I've been running a hackintosh for about a year. Perfectly stable. Software updates just work. I'm on the latest 10.6.5 build. Running Final Cut Pro, Aperture, PS CS4, etc. 3-drive raid stripe. SDD boot drive. Blah blah blah.

In fact, I'm a good customer for Apple, because everything I'm running is legit legal stuff. I guess I paid $1600 SGD for Final Cut or something like that. Just not willing to shell out $5-6k SGD (or more, like $10k SGD on the high end) for a mac pro, when I can build (have built) an i7 System that has equivalent performance for about $1k SGD.
 
Okay, significantly cheaper is a good thing. Maybe if that's the benefit it should have been mentioned in the OP?

I'm not seeing where you're getting "blows...out of the water," though. This new 3.3GHz part gets 8874 points, according to the OP. According to the PrimateLabs list from hscottm, an old i7 2.8GHz gets 8312.

I'm not sure whether Geekbench scores scale linearly with clock speed, but that implies an old i7 at 3.3GHz would have gotten 9796. So the new i5s are a bit less far behind the old i7s than the old i5s were. Is that not what we're left to conclude? I'm really not sure, and neither this news article nor anyone's comments have clarified anything.
I'll note that Sandy Bridge benchmark was running in 32-bit, whereas the old i7 (which I have) needs to be at 64-bit to get about that score.

That, and Geekbench isn't the most reliable test of speed. You should take a look at some benchmarks of actual applications and games to see the improvement.

pr5owner: Your argument seems to consist solely of "I"m right, and you're wrong" and "top dollar/low performance." Fortunately for the rest of us, specs aren't everything, and most of what you stated is outright trash. The 6870 is actually slower than the 5870, and the 6970 is very recent.

As far as WiDi goes, you say "Pretty much all new laptops" but you offer no proof. Proof, please.

It's just a pity all their copies of Mac OS X are pirated.
If only you were even close to right. They encourage people to buy OS X (I did, though I had a copy long before I had a hackintosh) and they don't allow posts about how to steal OS X. So try again, and next time think before you post. ;)
 
Uh please show me an existing C2D for $300. Right now, $300 gets you a "Pentium Dual Core", "Atom", or "AMD Turion II Neo" chip, which is usually not even C2D tech, much less Core-i.

To get a C2D shoddy dell or HP plastic laptop with substandard trackpad and Windows, you'll need to shell out at least $600-700.

well #1 nobody sells crappy c2d's anymore, its all over stock and reduced prices now to get rid of inventory, i3 laptops start at $450ish-$500ish

#2 here is one for $480 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834157456 (this one is brand new)

#3 here is a bunch starting at $309
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicat...h.asp?CatId=17&sel=Detail;112_479_45852_45852
 
I'll note that Sandy Bridge benchmark was running in 32-bit, whereas the old i7 (which I have) needs to be at 64-bit to get about that score.

That, and Geekbench isn't the most reliable test of speed. You should take a look at some benchmarks of actual applications and games to see the improvement.

pr5owner: Your argument seems to consist solely of "I"m right, and you're wrong" and "top dollar/low performance." Fortunately for the rest of us, specs aren't everything, and most of what you stated is outright trash. The 6870 is actually slower than the 5870, and the 6970 is very recent.

As far as WiDi goes, you say "Pretty much all new laptops" but you offer no proof. Proof, please.


If only you were even close to right. They encourage people to buy OS X (I did, though I had a copy long before I had a hackintosh) and they don't allow posts about how to steal OS X. So try again, and next time think before you post. ;)

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im sorry what?

5870 = $370ish
6970 = $370ish

in that benchmark the 6970 beats the 5870 Dollar for Dollar
ATi changed the numbering for their cards, a 6870 card is more like a midrange card while the 69xx series is the high end card (the 5870 was the previous high end card)

it would be retarded for Ati to come out with a slower GPU,
same with intel, All i3's beat c2d's of the same level/price

as for the WiDi, i said any i3 laptop with the wireless cards i listed, the rest is 100% software/drivers from intel, if your laptop has an i cpu but doesnt have one of the wireless cards listed you can just buy it seperately for like $20-$30 bux and upgrade it to WiDi spec.
 
yeah that was waaaaaaaay back when?

now they are missing

quad core i7s in laptops
12 core in work stations
DDR3 ram that runs at DDR3 speeds not DDR2 (1066 is not DDR3 speeds)
BD anything
USB 3
eSATA / eSATAp
SATA 6GB
HD video cams
bluetooth 3
WiDi
anything related to video performance, no 6xxx ati or 5xx nvidia video cards
and a bunch of others

Of course, this is Apple, who has many hands in many pies. Other companies such as Dell, HP, Acer, Toshiba etc., don't have to focus on the OS, phones, tablets and other hardware as much as Apple appear to have. Yet the more Apple are exposing themselves, the more complaints I personally hear about new models appearing and then upgrades almost immediately.

However I do look forward to the next desktop upgrade. Even though my machine is 2 years old and works great, I'm keen to see the next step.
 
sorry i guess i was looking at the 12core i7 but either way 8 cores arent available as you stated (but your already paying top dollar)
The prices on high-end Mac Pros (as in dual CPU) are actually fairly competitive with other OEMs. Xeons aren't cheap. You won't find the 8 core Xeons in anything but MASSIVE workstations or servers. They don't even fit socket 1366. They're for a market even higher end than the Mac Pro and the price is insane.
what about every thing else? again, apple, top dollar, low end performance
i dont recall any of their laptops using DDR3 speed ram, as for desktops there are ram sticks that can run at 2.1GHz


Apple - 8.5GB/s - more expensive
PC - 18GB/s - less expensive
You completely and utterly missed the point. Laptops won't go higher than 1333mhz on the RAM unless you're getting a seriously souped-up one with 1600mhz (which is beyond spec for Intel chipsets), and those are rare. Furthermore, ECC doesn't go beyond 1333mhz. Did you somehow miss that? The iMac is also using laptop RAM. And to say that 1066mhz isn't "DDR3 speed" is just plain retarded as, you know, tons of DDR3 runs at that speed. 2.1ghz+ DDR3 is ludicrously expensive, goes outside of spec for any Intel chipset out there, and you'll see virtually no difference in performance over 1800mhz anyway. Apple's not interested in feeding people with minidick computer syndrome. If you want to piss money into something that will give you virtually no benefit then go build a PC. Apple doesn't give a crap.
lol they gave their reasons? WTF again your paying top dollar, and you get nothing for it
Yes, they did. Try doing some reading.
usb 3 slow to catch on? WTF every new notebook,netbook and motherboard has USB 3, MSI even announced their new big bang series mobo ONLY has USB3 (8 of them)

go to new egg and type in USB3 into the search field, 4000+ USB 3 products show up, i take it no one is buying them right?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...A=0&Order=BESTMATCH&Description=usb+3&x=0&y=0
No, not every new notebook, netbook, and motherboard has USB3. In fact, there are barely ANY netbooks that currently have it and most laptops don't have it, either. I'm looking at a new Alienware $1500 laptop right now that doesn't even have USB3. You can talk about boards on Newegg until you're blue in the face, but you know what? The vast majority of consumers don't build their own boxes. They buy OEMs, and OEMs have been pretty sluggish in picking it up as well. I'm also getting less than 700 products on Newegg when punching in "USB3". Way to pull a number out of your ass. Come back when you can get your facts straight instead of making **** up, kiddo.

USB3 PERIPHERALS have been slow to catch on. The difference in the USB3 cable connector is putting some people off (the average consumer isn't exactly eager to buy all the newest crap). And how many people are buying all this stuff beyond the enthusiast crowd, exactly? Most people don't upgrade their computers every six months. There are still a massive truckload of USB2 boards and peripherals out there and tons of people who don't know what it is and don't care because their 3 year old Gateway is working just fine as it is.
every HP elitebook has esatap, esatap is just USB + eSATA Combo port
That's nice. How many external drives use it?
faster sata is useless? a C300 SSD can be had for $130 which reads up to 355MB/s only SATA 6GB can utilize this speed, SATA 6GB is also backwards compatible as is SATA 3

a top end SSD is a PCIe card that reads close to 1TB/s, the C300 is a consumer SSD thats readily available and cheap.
And I'm sure people are really eager to put a 64GB drive in. The thing is, there are very few laptops that support SATA 3, which means that you could put these SSDs in a Mac Pro, a Mac Mini, or an iMac. The latter two are out for the VAST majority of people as it voids the warranty to replace those drives without taking them to a shop and it's a pain in the ass to do it yourself on both models. The Mac Pro can take a PCIe card for it.

I'm sorry, what was your point here again?
top dollar, low end products....
Nice rebuttal. Come back when you actually have a point to make.
BT 3 is the current standard, the samsung wave which came out 3-4 months ago even has it
And the advantages are...?
all you need is a core i series cpu and one of the following

Intel® Centrino® Wireless-N 1000
Intel® Centrino® Advanced-N 6200, 6205, 6230, or 1030
Intel® Centrino® Advanced-N + WiMAX 6250 or 6150
Intel® Centrino® Ultimate-N 6300

which is pretty much all new laptops
And barely anyone is using it or even cares. Come back when this is actually a selling point to more than a few small niche markets.
top dollar, low end performance
Once again, you have zero point to make and just hide behind this yet again. I'd hardly call a 5750 or 5870 "low end performance". Low end performance is Intel integrated graphics.
whats rational is that apple users should vote with their wallets, unless your ok with paying more than you have too and getting less. if apple users actually cared, apple would have all the up todate tech in their products or they would have no business

And this is where the rest of you pathetic arguments fall apart: THE AVERAGE CONSUMER KNOWS JACK **** ABOUT SPECS AND DOESN'T CARE. Most people don't play more than games on Yahoo. Most users barely know what clock speed is. Most users won't ever tax their system. You know what most users want? A computer that works. That's it. You can cry about specs all day long, but most people won't give a damn. They want a computer that will let them do what they want to do and they want good support if anything goes wrong. What computer company consistently blows everyone else out of the water when it comes to surveys on customer support? Apple. They're very good at it.
 
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5870 = $370ish
6970 = $370ish

in that benchmark the 6970 beats the 5870 Dollar for Dollar
ATi changed the numbering for their cards, a 6870 card is more like a midrange card while the 69xx series is the high end card (the 5870 was the previous high end card)
This argument completely falls apart when you check the price on a 5870 and find that it's more like $270 these days.
it would be retarded for Ati to come out with a slower GPU,
same with intel, All i3's beat c2d's of the same level/price
The 6870 came out months before the 6970, which only became available a few weeks ago, and in poor volumes.

And the i3/C2D controversy stems from Apple not having room enough on the Macbook logic board for an i3, a dedicated video card (as the i3 video would've been a downgrade in performance), and all the necessary controllers. Nvidia had the advantage of a faster integrated video card in their chipset, which means an overall reduction in the amount of logic board real estate used. This isn't exactly a big secret.

It's likely that we'll see Sandy Bridge Macbook Pros within a few months.

as for the WiDi, i said any i3 laptop with the wireless cards i listed, the rest is 100% software/drivers from intel, if your laptop has an i cpu but doesnt have one of the wireless cards listed you can just buy it seperately for like $20-$30 bux and upgrade it to WiDi spec.
And WiDi is still a nothing market.
 
I absolutely agree. But I don't see how implementing USB3 would hurt in any way, or BD for that matter. Both would be nice for fast backups i.e. I haven't tried the new Core i Macs, so I can't say if there's a great performance upgrade compared to the C2D.

Steve Jobs isnt supporting USB 3 because they will support Light Peak, which is much faster, not as backwards compatible, or has the ability to power a device. But any protocol can be ran over the cable. HDMI, DVI etc.

http://apcmag.com/intel-demos-light-peak-its-usb-30-killer.htm
 
This argument completely falls apart when you check the price on a 5870 and find that it's more like $270 these days.

And that is on the modest side. Just bought one brand new for 200 bucks (230 with rebate), running it in my 2006 Mac Pro
 
And this is where the rest of you pathetic arguments fall apart: THE AVERAGE CONSUMER KNOWS JACK **** ABOUT SPECS AND DOESN'T CARE. Most people don't play more than games on Yahoo. Most users barely know what clock speed is. Most users won't ever tax their system. You know what most users want? A computer that works. That's it. You can cry about specs all day long, but most people won't give a damn. They want a computer that will let them do what they want to do and they want good support if anything goes wrong. What computer company consistently blows everyone else out of the water when it comes to surveys on customer support? Apple. They're very good at it.

I agree with this. My last job I worked was for my school selling Macs and PCs. Selling 15-20 computers a day, I could easily say without anything weighing me down, that 95% of all people who bought computers from me knew NOTHING about specs.

Ram and Hard Drive space were regularly confused, let alone knowing what either was. Processor speed was only relative, as in 2.4 must be better than 2.2. Unless heaven forbid you try to explain to them an i7. Ram? More=better (1033,1333,1600? Yeah right)

People want functionality, good looks and longevity. Out of those 15-20 computers a day, 13-18 of them were macs. Now... given this is a college demographic. But are they not the media consumers of our current population?

I have used PCs from age 6 to 18. 18-23 I have used macs. I currently bootcamp Windows 7 for gaming and thats it, and I do enjoy the OS, but it is not as functional of an OS as OS X.

Specs? People don't care, they enjoy their Macs better.
 
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