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Mac OS X Lion Almost Ready?

usptact said:
Don't lie. Any new major release IS rather unstable. It takes time to remove sharp edges. It is always like that for non trivial things.

More snappier? Don't kid me. They drop support for Core Duo chips meaning that this Lion requires more computer power.Sure, iX Core users won't see the big difference...
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I don't see any performance differences between the two operating systems on my Mac Pro. Lion is very stable at the moment, but it still has some bugs that need to be fixed before release.
 
Mind my asking, but I´d like to ask about retail disk MacOS.

According to history, does retail OS version always updated along with patches or fixes? Say Lion first published and sold in June as 10.7.0 on retail disk, would it be 10.7.2 or so if I purchase the retail later? Or will it be 10.7.0 forever and we have to download updates manually?
 
usptact said:
Don't lie. Any new major release IS rather unstable. It takes time to remove sharp edges. It is always like that for non trivial things.

More snappier? Don't kid me. They drop support for Core Duo chips meaning that this Lion requires more computer power.Sure, iX Core users won't see the big difference...
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The only reason they're not supporting core duos is because they want to get rid of needing to support 32-bit chips, which is annoying.
 
I'm pretty sure that what we as developers have gotten isn't the newest build of Lion. Being as it is called a developer preview they only need to release a new build when something has changed that affects developers. Whether there are more features unseen or not I don't know. But what we are running isn't the same that they have been running.
 
I wonder if this is simply another case of mixed-up information. What if, instead of Lion being ready, the next DP of Lion is being tested internally before being distributed to developers (probably at or around WWDC), and it's a big buzz within Apple because this is the build where they include a number of new features, which had been withheld until they announced them officially at WWDC. I could see them announcing a number of new features and then releasing a build that had those features. I don't expect them to claim to have a release candidate ready.

jW
 
iSayuSay said:
Mind my asking, but I´d like to ask about retail disk MacOS.

According to history, does retail OS version always updated along with patches or fixes? Say Lion first published and sold in June as 10.7.0 on retail disk, would it be 10.7.2 or so if I purchase the retail later? Or will it be 10.7.0 forever and we have to download updates manually?
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Not consistently, but it will change at times. With Leopard, I believe we saw 10.5.0, 10.5.1, 10.5.3, and 10.5.6 on retail disks. With Snow Leopard, currently we get 10.6.3 on the retail disks, and I think that's the first upgraded retail version since 10.6.0. There may have been one other.

jW
 
Mal said:
I wonder if this is simply another case of mixed-up information. What if, instead of Lion being ready, the next DP of Lion is being tested internally before being distributed to developers (probably at or around WWDC), and it's a big buzz within Apple because this is the build where they include a number of new features, which had been withheld until they announced them officially at WWDC. I could see them announcing a number of new features and then releasing a build that had those features. I don't expect them to claim to have a release candidate ready.

jW
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im really hoping for this
 
Mal said:
I wonder if this is simply another case of mixed-up information. What if, instead of Lion being ready, the next DP of Lion is being tested internally before being distributed to developers (probably at or around WWDC), and it's a big buzz within Apple because this is the build where they include a number of new features, which had been withheld until they announced them officially at WWDC. I could see them announcing a number of new features and then releasing a build that had those features. I don't expect them to claim to have a release candidate ready.

jW
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I feel this has to be the case, especially for Lion's sake. With the few features that have been announced so far it doesn't seem like there is enough appeal for the majority of Mac owners to upgrade to Lion.
 
Mal said:
I wonder if this is simply another case of mixed-up information. What if, instead of Lion being ready, the next DP of Lion is being tested internally before being distributed to developers (probably at or around WWDC), and it's a big buzz within Apple because this is the build where they include a number of new features, which had been withheld until they announced them officially at WWDC. I could see them announcing a number of new features and then releasing a build that had those features. I don't expect them to claim to have a release candidate ready.

jW
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I hope so. They've ruined spaces in Lion and I hope they've listened to feedback and restored at least some functionality.
 
Right now, the only reason I want Lion is because of server functionality that will be built in instead of a separate $500 purchase. That is what it brings to the table in terms of value for me.

GL
 
GroundLoop said:
Right now, the only reason I want Lion is because of server functionality that will be built in instead of a separate $500 purchase. That is what it brings to the table in terms of value for me.

GL
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Could you explain more. I am using the server version but really do not need it. I got it mainly because I wanted the Mac mini server with extra drive.
 
d21mike said:
Could you explain more. I am using the server version but really do not need it. I got it mainly because I wanted the Mac mini server with extra drive.
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All at http://www.apple.com/macosx/lion/
 
holden15 said:
I feel like I'm on an iPad
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We will have to agree to disagree. If I want to feel like I'm using an iPad, I'll use my iPad. I particularly don't like the iOSification of Lion. When I use my Mac, I don't want an iOS feel to it. Both Mac OS X and iOS are great operating systems, but iOS is designed for small mobile touch-screen devices, Mac OS X is designed for actual computers with a physical keyboard and mouse.
 
Bingo Nick you got it right!

nick7138 said:
To anyone who says that it has useless features, it really depends on your needs. If you're a gamer, you'd probably want Lion since it has OpenGL 3.2, which is a major upgrade over Snow Leopards offerings. If you're someone who is fine with the current offering in SL, then you could probably let this one go by. You should also note that since iOS 5 and Lion are being mentioned at the same time in WWDC, you should expect some sort of connection between the two, most likely through iCloud. In that case, new features would be added to Lion. I have used the Developer Preview of Lion and I can say that it is not yet ready for the consumer market. While it is much stabler than DP1, Safari and other applications still have various problems with them, some very serious. On top of that, if Apple announces new features at WWDC, then they'll need another DP, probably a GM release, that has all of the new features before actually releasing it to the public to iron out bugs. Don't expect any release of Lion at least until late July or maybe early August.
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Its the cloud people....All of the direction going forward will be thru North Carolina. search YouTube. Yesterday I saw a film of a helicopter buzzing over the building and adjacent property. The new complex is so big, its hard explain. It is beyond imagination to picture the amount of servers the fit in that gigantic complex. And to make it more intriguing, They are excavating the property right next to it,for another massive structure.

They should have guided tours in the future for nerds like me at their CLOUD complex. :D Apple TV, Apps, Ipad, Imacs, and the portable family will all co-exist thru a new I tunes like vehicle that allows seamless usage of your property, either music, movies, photos, games, apps, etc.
 
I'm really hoping Apple is still waiting to announce some killer features. So far, Lion is not shaping up to be king of the jungle.
 
Lion has not been dumbed down to be like iOS in anyway. If anything the iOS features make things we already had better. You really have to use it to feel it. Lion is just fluid and a lot faster, even though it might just be tricks to make it seem faster. Spaces works great compared to Snow Leopard. OMG I go sideways instead of down to get to a space? LoL. Mission control makes it easy to get to any space and any app. I never used Expose before but I do use Mission Control. Don't hate it before you even have tried it because it really is different when you actually use it.
 
derekamoss said:
Lion has not been dumbed down to be like iOS in anyway. If anything the iOS features make things we already had better. You really have to use it to feel it. Lion is just fluid and a lot faster, even though it might just be tricks to make it seem faster. Spaces works great compared to Snow Leopard. OMG I go sideways instead of down to get to a space? LoL. Mission control makes it easy to get to any space and any app. I never used Expose before but I do use Mission Control. Don't hate it before you even have tried it because it really is different when you actually use it.
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Completely agreed - remember, stuff like Launchpad is completely optional - you don't have to use it. I do think that Apple's on the right foot in their thinking here - they've got an awful lot of iOS device users who aren't Mac users, and getting these people interested in Macs will require some aids to ease the transition. This is the idea behind Lion.
 
I think one of the new features in OS X Lion is a gimmick, but not to say that I'm not enjoying using Lion, I think its way better then Snow Leopard, my favourite and most used feature has to be Launchpad, It's just a much faster way to launch applications, although I can't say the same for the fullscreen feature, I haven't yet found any use for it..

As far as performance I don't know about u guys, but I haven't noticed an improvement at all yet..
 
nick7138 said:
To anyone who says that it has useless features, it really depends on your needs. If you're a gamer, you'd probably want Lion since it has OpenGL 3.2, which is a major upgrade over Snow Leopards offerings. If you're someone who is fine with the current offering in SL, then you could probably let this one go by. You should also note that since iOS 5 and Lion are being mentioned at the same time in WWDC, you should expect some sort of connection between the two, most likely through iCloud. In that case, new features would be added to Lion. I have used the Developer Preview of Lion and I can say that it is not yet ready for the consumer market. While it is much stabler than DP1, Safari and other applications still have various problems with them, some very serious. On top of that, if Apple announces new features at WWDC, then they'll need another DP, probably a GM release, that has all of the new features before actually releasing it to the public to iron out bugs. Don't expect any release of Lion at least until late July or maybe early August.
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Well said. Yeah if they do announce new features, WWDC will probably be another "road map" where they give out betas to developers and then won't release either OS upgrade for another few months. Either way I hope that iOS 5 is a major change and has some crazy features we haven't thought of or read rumors about ...
 
Yamcha said:
I think one of the new features in OS X Lion is a gimmick, but not to say that I'm not enjoying using Lion, I think its way better then Snow Leopard, my favourite and most used feature has to be Launchpad, It's just a much faster way to launch applications, although I can't say the same for the fullscreen feature, I haven't yet found any use for it..

As far as performance I don't know about u guys, but I haven't noticed an improvement at all yet..
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For people that have to do a lot of detailed reading or creative visual work, full screen is helpful because it blocks everything else out and forces you to focus only at the task at hand while simultaneously using the maximum screen space without deluding yourself that multitasking is efficient (or getting distracted by facebook updates or something else irrelevant). But for most users that have several things going on simultaneously or switch between apps and windows quite a bit it probably won't be used much. Definitely very helpful for those who do need it though, a welcome addition. Adobe and a lot of other programs have done this on their own for years now to help reduce screen clutter and distraction, it will be helpful to be built in to the OS though so more apps can take advantage of it more easily.
 
OMG I go sideways instead of down to get to a space? LoL.
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And when you put Safari, QuickTime Player and Mail all in Full Screen and you press CTRL + 4 expecting to see Mail show up and instead you don't because Spaces sent the Fullscreen Mail App to a whole new different Window which can't be reached with CTRL + <Insert Number>?

Yeah, no.

I've got an old Apple Magic Mouse on my iMac, and the Scroll Wheel no longer works, so now I have to make sure the window is just right so when I move the scroll bar, I don't instead end up re-sizing the window. I'd love to use Fullscreen which gets rid of this issue, but I can't, because Apple's Fullscreen doesn't work with the Spaces I've gotten used to using for years now.

So far Lion is a pointless purchase for me. Especially with the complications it brings for how I'm used to using Spaces.
 
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