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an american company temporarily owned by a canadian(booze), then a french (water) company. You should be proud to have it repatriated by Steve Jobs, but ya, you are right to ask where the money is coming from. China perhaps,

and that Tog guy, why does he bother? He rants on and then says M$ is better.
I didn't like the Tabs(browsing is different) in the OS, or the Control Strip. Besides, his stuff is old, and he hasn't bothered to update.
 
If you read that guys article he talks about things like how to identify a folder if it's full and really full by animating the icon or changing the color of the folder if it hasn't been modified in a while. All of these things are viable and probably easily implimentable tools that we should eventually be able to take for granted.

By the way, the only Piles in Microsoft are the ones floating in the bathroom stalls in Redmond. ;) :eek:
 
... having a hard time respecting a guy who purports to have written a semi-professional article, yet refers to the operating system as "OS-X"...
 
Originally posted by sawaguchishinji
What was it?
Microsoft Bob was an overly user-friendly user interface announced by Microsoft in January 1995. It had hefty hardware requirements despite using only 256 colors. It was supposed to integrate eight commonly used functions: address book, calendar, checkbox, letter writer, etc., and make them easy to use by beginners. Instead, it treated everyone as a child and annoyed the heck out of almost everyone.

Microsoft claimed they had invented a new style of computing, called "the social user interface". One Microsoft research report said
[Bob] communicates to the user through speech balloons which present a small group of buttons for the operations most likely to be used next. This allows the user to focus on a single source of relevant information without becoming overwhelmed by large numbers of options. The guides also provide tips and suggestions to introduce new capabilities, or to point out more efficient ways of completing a task. User studies with Bob have verified that for many people, the social metaphor reduces the anxiety associated with computer use.

Microsoft Bob's logo was a smiley face with glasses:

bob2.gif
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Microsoft of course had spent a fortune on publicity and the product was stacked up to the ceiling in computer stores at first. Bob died a swift and deserving death but the cartoon characters it used turned into the talking paperclip and the other annoying helpers in Microsoft Office.

Here's a screenshot of Bob's "public family room":

overview.gif


Looks just like the "kiddie interfaces" you can buy for 7-year-olds, doesn't it?

There is a whole tutorial about Microsoft Bob at Nathan's Toasty Technology page.
 
Originally posted by kansaigaijin
and that Tog guy, why does he bother? He rants on and then says M$ is better.
I didn't like the Tabs(browsing is different) in the OS, or the Control Strip. Besides, his stuff is old, and he hasn't bothered to update. [/B]

Well, I have to say, my own daddy-pops recently had some shocking things to say about what he felt about the company, to which he has been loyal (and a VAR, before the reseller standards revolution) for almost two decades.

He actually said something about switching...the BAD kind of switching. That's really, really harsh coming from him. He also said he's going to use all 16,000 votes he's got against Gore AND Jobs at the next investor thingy...

But as far as tabbed interface goes, I just think it would be cool to be able to switch from one set of windows and desktop icons and dock items and open applications to another. Like sitting at a desk with multiple computers. The possibilities for us graphic types and for customer service centers and people who truly use their computer for a variety of different and in-depth uses is pretty good.

Remember when there was the myth that you have to close all your windows before you shut down? Then it was debunked by the finest Macintosh scientists. Well some of us do anyway, because we hate visual clutter. But functional clutter, when organized, can be highly productive. That's why super-important people have big desks. I'll betcha if they had a button that would clean off their desk and put everything away, and then again put everything back in it's mess, they, like most of us, would use it both ways.

"It all makes sense, if you just stand back and absorb it..."

Plus, with multiple interface tabs open and Quartz extreme, you could do a Brady Bunch view with your different desktops and drag stuff around! WOW!!!!
 
Re: What does this guy have against Apple?

Originally posted by BaghdadBob

The tabbed interface really does cach my attention. I think that's a fine idea. Almost like having three monitors in one. Truly, in my opinion, an idea with promise. I wonder if anyone at Apple really cares what the pontificators think?


Have you tried Virtual Desktop... it's not exactly what you're referring to or what he described but it's a start.

In fact one of it's drawbacks is that it is so transparent that you forget to take advantage of it, it's just there.

For instance I have all graphics apps (Photoshop, Illustrator, etc.) set to open on their own desktop space, while my coding apps (BBedit, Dreamweaver, etc.) open on another and my browser and mail app each have their own desktop and media viewers have another. While it doesn't keep the desktop clutter down it does keep the open app clutter to a minimum without having to minimize apps all the time.

So the next step would in fact be to have independent file space on the desktop so that the files or folders on my media desktop were not the same as those on my coding desktop or my mail desktop, etc. This would equate to the tabbed desktop space he referred to though I don't think 'tabs' are necessary'
 
Re: Re: What does this guy have against Apple?

Originally posted by foniks2020
So the next step would in fact be to have independent file space on the desktop so that the files or folders on my media desktop were not the same as those on my coding desktop or my mail desktop, etc. This would equate to the tabbed desktop space he referred to though I don't think 'tabs' are necessary'

No tabs, unless they popped up like (or were in) the dock. But you'd want to switch easily.

And I would would want to have different finder windows open, too, that would be important.

Is Virtual Desktop 3rd party? It rings a bell but I'm not familiar with it.
 
Originally posted by kansaigaijin
and everybody lives in the shadow of Mt Raineer? sp?

HA! I see. According to my in-house Seattle specialist it's "Rainier."

That is one fugly interface. Man, I made prettier stuff in Hypercard. Before color.
 
Re: TIFFs

Originally posted by jmptoit
Is there a decent TIFF plugin for proper viewing of the patent image?

You shouldn't need a plug in, but you will have to scroll all the way down...... Someone should submit some modern technology to the patent office :D
 
doesnt anyone remember the brief talk about navigating with a cluster like system? as you move the cursor over a certain type of data or file it opens up to subdivisions. it was called clustering or sumpen like that. they had a visual that looked like brain storming or like thought balloons all tied in. mouse toward a certain cluster of info and it polentated the screen with sub clusters. go towards a sub cluster and more baby clusters would sprout. it was pretty cool. hey that sounds really organic. anyway, does anyone remember that? it was like ten years ago. maybe they found that they couldnt accomplish it with OS9, i think the closest they got was what ended up being spring loaded folders. but system ten with all its meta data capabilities just might of ended up being the perfect fit, the clusters would, as said earlier by another member, organize themselfs. this might be what jobs ment about not having to be the janitor of your computer.
 
Re: Re: What does this guy have against Apple?

Originally posted by foniks2020
Have you tried Virtual Desktop...

yes i love it. the first piece of shareware i actually ended up using. i paid for it. sorta pricey at $30 but useful. its just a really nice windows manager is all. perfect for laptops, but desktop systems can benefit from its contribution to a work flow as well.
 
Re: Sounds gimmicky

Originally posted by Sol
I hope piles have nothing to do with a dodgy demo from an old MacWorld where icons were navigated in a sort-of fly-through way on the screen (using then-impressive 2D scaling).

Ah, someone does remember clustering :D yup i think thats what this is. believe me it will feel so natural. you just pilot through your data, click, and the file opens while the clusters either dissapear or they stay open depending on a preference setting (or maybe if you click to the right of the file name your clusters dissapear and if you click to the left of the file name the clusters stay open. i can sorta work that way already with virtual desktop. you can set CodeTeks Virtual Desktop to automaticaly bring a window to the front just by hovering over it.
 
Re: Re: TIFFs

Originally posted by BaghdadBob
You shouldn't need a plug in, but you will have to scroll all the way down...... Someone should submit some modern technology to the patent office :D

Actually, you will need a plug-in, it's just that most of us already have it: QuickTime.
 
Originally posted by minux
Looks fine in Mozilla (1.2.1) in 9.2.2. Hey how about you all get a REAL browser, and a REAL Mac OS?

Mike
Oooohhh- good one, Mike.

I'm going to reinstall OS 9 right away.
:rolleyes:


Oh wait - I'm NOT an idiot. :p
 
good idea, bad name...

The scheme for organizing files described in the patent application seems clear and intuitive, but "piles" is a dreadful name. It is, of course, a synonym for hemorrhoids, and it sounds enough like "files" to invite confusion. How about "stacks"?
 
Re: What does this guy have against Apple?

Originally posted by BaghdadBob
I mean aside from what all Apple-loyalists have against Apple...

[I'm talking about the AskTog guy, for verification -- EdBob]

But I thought the tabbed interface idea was the best one in there. Having people as dynamic objects is an interesting idea too. As for the file cabinet...It just sounds like a bunch of folders, represented in a big fat icon with drawers on it. Am I wrong..."Have we gone to far to get home, yeah..."

The tabbed interface really does cach my attention. I think that's a fine idea. Almost like having three monitors in one. Truly, in my opinion, an idea with promise. I wonder if anyone at Apple really cares what the pontificators think?

Likelyhood is that if anyone does they'd have to pretend it was their own idea to Jobs -- pleasing the masses is so passe.

Unlike hiring a leading Democrat to your board on the cuff of a Democrat-opposed war, and then talking about breaking the bank buying a partially (?) French company, that rules.

Tabbed Interface Anyone? :D http://www.geocities.com/juan_m007/tab.html

Now imagine being able to group windows/documents together in any application not just the Finder, it would make switching between documents a lot easier!

More ideas: http://www.geocities.com/juan_m007

Hopefully by sending this link to apple via feedback they'll get ideas and improve aqua.
 
Re: Re: What does this guy have against Apple?

im sure theyve already considered using tabs in the finder. i would be surprised if they hadnt. who knows maybe we will see them in an OS update one day. i would use it, but the tool bar, back/forward and path buttons work really well for me.
 
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