I gotta say, I would laugh pretty hard if that happened. I don't really mean it in a bad way, but I would feel pretty smug that they would be feeling the same as we did years earlier.
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I gotta say, I would laugh pretty hard if that happened. I don't really mean it in a bad way, but I would feel pretty smug that they would be feeling the same as we did years earlier.
Looking foreword to this as well.
MSI Wind and the Lenovo S10 are good HackIntosh choices, if you decide on that route. Or save up for a Macbook... Or a Mini?
The bad part if Steve Jobs has told his employes to send a room full of old macs off to a nearby university before.
******* probably is so obsessed with The Slim Electronic that... I won't go into it.On the note about people complaining about how PPC code needed to get dropped... It would be nice, I admit
Sure, Apple "has" to eventually drop the codebase, but all these people complaining about 6GB on their hard drive doing nothing gets a little old.@ morepower.
I can sympathise with you. I was in your posistion not too long ago. I had around £700 saved for a MacBook. I really wanted the Alu MacBook, the one with the back lit keyboard but that was an additional £400 and I was just desperate for a MacBook.
But I kept beating the temptation back, just because I wanted a MacBook shouldn't of meant I should just get any old one, I should get one which is the one I want and the one which is most future proof, after all I was spending a lot of money.
My advise to you is do whatever you want to do. But If I was you I would keep on saving, grit them teeth and stick it out. It will be worth it in the long run, especially now the new MacBook Pro's offer fantastic value for money!
I can sympathise with you. I was in your posistion not too long ago. I had around £700 saved for a MacBook. I really wanted the Alu MacBook, the one with the back lit keyboard but that was an additional £400 and I was just desperate for a MacBook.
But I kept beating the temptation back, just because I wanted a MacBook shouldn't of meant I should just get any old one, I should get one which is the one I want and the one which is most future proof, after all I was spending a lot of money.
My advise to you is do whatever you want to do. But If I was you I would keep on saving, grit them teeth and stick it out. It will be worth it in the long run, especially now the new MacBook Pro's offer fantastic value for money!
This is wisdom. Something from Apple will have far better support then a third-party machine; when you make a Hack, you have little to no support (insanlymac forums often have people saying RTM, which can be a REAL learning curve). Plus you don't have to pirate the OS (unless you did want to pay for Leopard Client
)I have a 1.0 GHz G4 eMac with 512 MB of RAM. I wasn't planning on putting Snow Leopard on it anyways (it has Mac OS X Tiger, I plan installing Leopard on it once I upgrade the RAM to 1 GB). My next Mac will definitely be an Intel one, either the $999 polycarbonate MacBook or the low-end 13-inch MacBook Pro, so by then I can use Snow Leopard.
Has Apple given up on pro users?
I regard myself as relatively new to the world of Apple. I was advised to get a mac when I was starting out setting up a studio (audio/visual) by one of my tutors at college. At the time I knew next to nothing about computers.
I seem to have entered the Apple bubble just before the point where the change in processors occurred (and just after they dropped the name Apple computers). (It was also the time when Logic; Final Cut and Shake were maturing, having been bought by Apple only a few years before).
Generally, my experience so far with Apple has been good, but, If I had my time over, knowing what I know now, I would seriously consider NOT getting a mac, and not entering the Apple bubble. However I am stuck with the mac because of the investment, for better or worse. PC's seem to have backwards compatibility, and creative software can be had for similar prices as Apples' (e.g Adobe; Cubase). It is open not closed. And I can get more bang for my buck with a similar priced PC as my G5 cost at the time.
If the PPC is to be dropped it will confirm my suspicions that Apple have ceased to understand/ support care about its pro users ie creatives. Following the introduction of the new Intel only OS will be the upgrades to the intel only Logic and Final Cut (and I'm already locked out of some of Adobes' upgrades which are intel only), and, in time, as upgrades to my other third party software appear - i am locked out of those too. PC's users don't seem to have this issue.
Changing to an Intel mac is not just a case of dropping (ANOTHER!!! few thousand for a new computer, there is all the software associated with a studio and how much it costs to upgrade everything alongside, and for me, stability is the primary concern. The 'march" of technology is not always in the interests of running a studio. What matters is stability and that "everything just works". That sounds familiar. I'm left wondering if Apple still care about this.
I came onboard when Apple still seemed to have a good if not excellent reputation for its support of artists Musical or otherwise, (they had just acquired Final Cut; Shake; Colour and Logic).
My experience with Logic has been that it gets little support, comparatively speaking, and can be a frustrating experience because of that, (Shake dropped??). My suspicion is that each major upgrade of its Pro software is a means to selling new computers, not to supporting its existing users. Same with Final Cut, new version = new computer. ££££££ $$$$$$$ £££££££.
The switch to Intel seems to have been one in the eye for Pro users who had invested in the PPC. But that betrays a lack of understanding of what a studio demands. Stability.
I wish my suspicions were not true. But at the moment I feel that Im locked into a world which Apple controls, and its not always a very nice feeling, especially when you feel you may be left out in the cold because, having attracted the pro user, they have then given up supporting these artists who demand more than the casual (itunes/ipod) user. Do Apple have the long view on supporting users of all the Pro software they acquired.
I am left wondering if the days of Apple being the OS par excellence for creatives are numbered (as the accountants take over - and ipods and iphones continue to sell by the truckload??).
Will Apple one day drop all its computers/ OS/ software and there will only be the all encompassing iphone? Because thats where the future of technology lies.
I regard myself as relatively new to the world of Apple. I was advised to get a mac when I was starting out setting up a studio (audio/visual) by one of my tutors at college. At the time I knew next to nothing about computers.
I seem to have entered the Apple bubble just before the point where the change in processors occurred (and just after they dropped the name Apple computers). (It was also the time when Logic; Final Cut and Shake were maturing, having been bought by Apple only a few years before).
Generally, my experience so far with Apple has been good, but, If I had my time over, knowing what I know now, I would seriously consider NOT getting a mac, and not entering the Apple bubble. However I am stuck with the mac because of the investment, for better or worse. PC's seem to have backwards compatibility, and creative software can be had for similar prices as Apples' (e.g Adobe; Cubase). It is open not closed. And I can get more bang for my buck with a similar priced PC as my G5 cost at the time.
If the PPC is to be dropped it will confirm my suspicions that Apple have ceased to understand/ support care about its pro users ie creatives. Following the introduction of the new Intel only OS will be the upgrades to the intel only Logic and Final Cut (and I'm already locked out of some of Adobes' upgrades which are intel only), and, in time, as upgrades to my other third party software appear - i am locked out of those too. PC's users don't seem to have this issue.
Changing to an Intel mac is not just a case of dropping (ANOTHER!!! few thousand for a new computer, there is all the software associated with a studio and how much it costs to upgrade everything alongside, and for me, stability is the primary concern. The 'march" of technology is not always in the interests of running a studio. What matters is stability and that "everything just works". That sounds familiar. I'm left wondering if Apple still care about this.
I came onboard when Apple still seemed to have a good if not excellent reputation for its support of artists Musical or otherwise, (they had just acquired Final Cut; Shake; Colour and Logic).
My experience with Logic has been that it gets little support, comparatively speaking, and can be a frustrating experience because of that, (Shake dropped??). My suspicion is that each major upgrade of its Pro software is a means to selling new computers, not to supporting its existing users. Same with Final Cut, new version = new computer. ££££££ $$$$$$$ £££££££.
The switch to Intel seems to have been one in the eye for Pro users who had invested in the PPC. But that betrays a lack of understanding of what a studio demands. Stability.
I wish my suspicions were not true. But at the moment I feel that Im locked into a world which Apple controls, and its not always a very nice feeling, especially when you feel you may be left out in the cold because, having attracted the pro user, they have then given up supporting these artists who demand more than the casual (itunes/ipod) user. Do Apple have the long view on supporting users of all the Pro software they acquired.
I am left wondering if the days of Apple being the OS par excellence for creatives are numbered (as the accountants take over - and ipods and iphones continue to sell by the truckload??).
Will Apple one day drop all its computers/ OS/ software and there will only be the all encompassing iphone? Because thats where the future of technology lies.
I wish PPC had a future but don't blame Apple blame IBM who couldn't sell the G5 to anyone else in significant numbers. Motorola did pretty good business with the G4 because it was thrifty with power.
Now that we're full tilt on the best microprocessors Intel's done this decade I find it hard to pine for the "good ole days" when PPC lagged in so many areas.
It's been 4 years. Apple is in fact supporting Pro users who generally keep hardware until it can no longer be written off and then they wisely buy new hardware.
Bring on the Intel Apple Pro apps!
Now that we're full tilt on the best microprocessors Intel's done this decade I find it hard to pine for the "good ole days" when PPC lagged in so many areas.
It's been 4 years. Apple is in fact supporting Pro users who generally keep hardware until it can no longer be written off and then they wisely buy new hardware.
Bring on the Intel Apple Pro apps!
It's already dropped and the ONLY thing Apple cares about is MONEY. They've made that abundently clear in the past couple of years since switching to Intel. They don't want, but EXPECT you to buy a new Mac to REPLACE (not augment) your old Mac every other year and their actions are designed around that concept. They DON'T CARE how much you spent on a G5. They're convinced that NO MAC USER will EVER switch back to Windows. All their "uncaring" actions are based around that assumption. They're used to Mac users HATING Windows. The problem is their machines ARE PCs these days (identical for all intensive purposes to any other CHINESE JUNK out there, despite what some ignorant fanatics might think based on a fancy case). You just pay more because Apple has no competition.
Likewise, the stability of their operating system is becoming questionable. I've had 8 crashes in the past week in Leopard. Two were due to a freeze when trying to burn a simple data CD with Toast Titanium. Two more today were from trying to exit "No One Lives Forever" (which didn't look right when it was running due to some kind of OpenGL driver issue for my ATI 9800 Pro, but looks perfect in Tiger) and those two just froze on a black screen. Two more tonight happened when trying to switch soundtracks on an iTunes movie dump of Gone With The Wind. Apparently, iTunes doesn't like Mono soundtracks (or Handbrake doesn't encode them correctly?) and iTunes just FREEZES the ENTIRE OS as a result (something which should NEVER happen in a Unix based environment but happens quite a lot with Leopard, IMO). Two more happened for unknown reasons (kernel panics) with one being on my nearly new MBP running the latest version of Leopard.
To say I'm becoming unenamored with OS X at a rather brisk pace is to put it mildly. Tiger seemed to run GREAT. Leopard is STILL an unstable MESS by comparison. The fact I have problems with both my PowerMac and my Intel MBP tells me it's not just a lack of focus on PPC. It's just bad period. And what really gets me are those Apple commercials making fun of Windows blue screens of death when OS X Leopard regularly has kernel panics which are the exact eqivalent. The sad thing is I run WindowsXP for days and days at a time on my PC to encode my DVD collection and NOT ONCE has it EVER crashed during all that hard CPU activity even WEEKS later. OS X crashes at least once a week when I'm doing a lot of activity since switching full time to Leopard. If I didn't need Leopard to run certain software packages that just abandoned Tiger because they just didn't feel like supporting the older OS, I'd STILL be using Tiger on my PowerMac. It was WAY more stable (as in would sometimes run for MONTHS without a reboot with normal activity). I have no choice with the MBP. It won't run Tiger period.
So when Apple announced Snow Leopard would be a break from normal development and more of Apple focusing on fixing bugs and stabilizing the OS (implying to get Leopard as good or even better than Tiger) I was like, "Hooray!" But then Apple announced they were dropping PPC while they were at it, which means Leopard will only ever be as stable as the last update before Snow Leopard and that pretty much means UNSTABLE as far as I'm concerned because it's nowhere near as stable as Tiger was to this day and Snow Leopard is just a few months away. Why they would dump PPC on a "stability" and "efficiency" update is beyond me. It shows they don't care where they leave the PPC machines (with a relatively unstable OS) and the fact that software will soon abandon Universal as well (and thus PPC machines will soon become useless as you seem to indicate) just seals it. If Leopard were as stable or more stable than Tiger, it woudn't be all bad. I could at least run my old software that I need NOW. But as it is, Tiger would be the better stability option on my PowerMac except that programs like MetaX don't run under Tiger any longer. So that means I either buy a new Mac, a Hackintosh or just ditch OS X and go back to Windows full time. I'm still leaning towards Hackintosh so I don't lose my Mac software investment and on the hope OS X will become very stable again in the future for Intel, but honestly, I'm curious how good Windows7 will be. Considering Vista was total crap, I don't have too high of hopes, but I also know Microsoft never sits on its laurels forever and eventually cleans things up. Some thought AMD would be king by now due to how bad Pentium 4 was, but clearly they were all wrong and Intel is still king because Intel doesn't depend on ONE product.
MagnusVonMagnum I think you should try out the Windows 7 RC while you can.
I think you'd benefit from Libraries and a Homegroup across a home network.
I think you'd benefit from Libraries and a Homegroup across a home network.
As opposed to my existing AFP/SMB home network and centralized media server running iTunes?
I currently move newly encoded movies from my reasonably large library from my MBP (transferring laserdisc and VHS from my firewire based Canopus + TBC + Panasonic AG1980 (Pro VHS) and Pioneer Laserdisc player running Final Cut Pro and from my PC (encoding my DVDs using DVD Decryptor + Handbrake) to my PowerMac server from any of the three computers (shared directories are set up across all of them) and then I use MetaX on the PowerMac to label and then insert them into my iTunes library which is stored on two 1.5TB internal SATA drives and form there served around the house to AppleTV and Airport Express units which can also be controlled from my iPod Touch running Remote, Remote Buddy and Signal. I'm currently at 319 movies converted, over 300 music videos, over 5500 songs and a couple of tv series like Red Dwarf and Robotech. I'm almost done converting my laserdiscs that I do not have on DVD and will be going back to finish my VHS collection afterward including home video editing. I've also cleaned and stored over 4000 photos scanned from film negatives (using a USB negative film scanner + Photoshop on the PowerMac), prints (using a Brother All-In-One inkjet printer/scanner/copier/fax machine) and digital photos (transferred over USB or card scanner). I've got another large photo album to go, a few dozen more DVDs and another dozen or so videotapes and then I'll have ALL my media stored and accessible from my iTunes/AppleTV.
I plan on creating a 3rd backup when I'm done to store off-site in case of theft/fire. I'm hesitant to move to Blu-Ray since I'm trying to get AWAY from disc-based storage and to a centralized hard drive server system. Unfortunately, Apple's selection of 720P movies to PURCHASE is incredibly limited. I bought T2 the other day for $12 but that's it. You can RENT a lot of movies, though, which is good for most movies since I tend to watch most movies once or twice at most. If I didn't already have hundreds of DVDs, I probably wouldn't have purchased them in this day and age since rentals suffice for most.
Once done with my current media, I'll then move the MBP back primarily to recording studio duties with my Roland digital piano, Fender guitar and a microphone as input sources. I use two wireless networks (one N-only, one B/G/N) and a Gigabit wired network to communicate for various duties (encoding, etc. is all wired; playback, AppleTV/iPod Touch and remote laptop use is typically wireless). I'll quite probably sell the editing setup (or at least part of it) once I'm done with it since I don't plan on buying more laserdiscs or VHS tapes in the future.
Frankly, in the end I don't care what software I'm using as long as it's quality stuff and STABLE. Leopard running Final Cut Pro even has been less stable than I'd like, but switching platforms isn't cheap. Some software is cross-platform and some hardware (firewire audio boxes for example) come with BOTH the Windows and Mac software, but it's clearly easier to move from Windows to Mac since you can legally virtualize Windows inside OS X. Not being able to do the reverse makes it more of a difficult decision to abandon OS X and Apple knows it. It's another reason I wish someone would go forward and challenge Apple's draconian one-sided policies in court. There is no reason OS X couldn't be virtualized on a PC running Windows with something like VMWare if Apple wasn't fighting it tooth and nail to keep their one-sided advantage. At least iTunes isn't the issue since it's available for both operating systems. I can always move the server over to a Windows based PC with no issues other than the question of long-term stability of running 24/7.
@MagnusVonMagnum
Leopard has been very stable for me so far. Are you installing software updates periodically? Those help dramatically.
Leopard has been very stable for me so far. Are you installing software updates periodically? Those help dramatically.
It's all SMB over on Windows.
I remember the nightmares that Tiger brought with SMB and NFS mounting home directories. Leopard fixed NFS but SMB mount points still feel shaky.
I remember the nightmares that Tiger brought with SMB and NFS mounting home directories. Leopard fixed NFS but SMB mount points still feel shaky.
Correct but they announced the transition so any PPC sales in 2006 where made with full disclosure from Apple that the Intel transition was in full swing.
Of course I do the updates. Maybe it's because I'm running such large scale programs (e.g. FCP) dealing in huge files or something, but it's hard to believe I have TWO bad computers, especially when one of them is very stable in Tiger.