Mac Pro 1,1 logic board fail?

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  1. Excruciates, Oct 13, 2015
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    Excruciates macrumors newbie

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    Hi,

    I have an ailing Mac Pro 1,1 (firmware updated to 1,2 and running 10.7) - rock solid every day since purchase from new but yesterday I had an out-of-the-blue kernel panic and on restart I just got a stripy green screen. Next restart it got stuck re-chiming over and over and was unresponsive to any key commands.

    So, I opened it up and noticed the CPU B red led on the logic board was lit up. I went through all the reset options I could find online (removing power source, removing and reinstalling battery etc) but nothing worked. I tested each of the DIMMs and they seemed ok.

    After removing the gpu (Radeon 5770) and powering it up with nothing else connected (just the power cable) it didn't get stuck, the red light went out and all seemed well - so I figured it must be the gpu that died. To test this I installed the old gpu that came with it when new (X1900XT) and it now starts up but I'm getting random issues after a few minutes - kernel panics; restarts; spinning wheel; and sometimes it just goes blank with both the CPUA and CPUB led lights illuminated on the logic board. (When it is running I've pressed the LED diagnostic test button and the LEDs light up as they should according to the official service manual.) If I don't open any apps (only tried Mail so far) it lasts longer before something knocks it over and I even managed to copy off some files to a usb stick, but it's clearly not happy.

    I ordered a replacement 5770 but it's probably fair to assume something else might be the problem. Ok, the old X1900XT in it at the moment was on its last legs before I swapped it out for the 5770 but it didn't make the mac unreliable (just graphic glitches from what I recall).

    I did a cmd-R reboot at one point and checked the disk and there were no issues there. It's probably just going to be a case of replacing things to narrow the field (upgraded cpus will be next after the gpu) but just wondering if anyone has any pointers for me based on this report? Thanks in advance.
     
  2. Excruciates thread starter macrumors newbie

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    Pleased to report the replacement 5770 has sorted all issues. I've even put my old 30" cinema display back on (which I thought was dying some time ago) and it's perfect, meaning that the old 5770 was giving me problems for a while without me realising. My 9 year old set up feels new all over again :)

    Having said that, I've ordered a pair of x5365 chips and another 8gb of RAM so it should be even more refreshed by the end of the week.
     
  3. Excruciates thread starter macrumors newbie

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    Spoke too soon. Had three kernel panics in the last half hour. Green stripy screen and CPU B red LED on logic board. :(
    Any ideas would be much appreciated.
     
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    There are two pars of LEDs for CPU A and B. First pair (from left to right) is CPU A and B FAIL, and second pair is CPU A and B OVERTEMP ? Which excact LED is glowing red ?
     
  5. Excruciates thread starter macrumors newbie

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    Hi, it's the one on the left, the CPU B Fail LED - the same one that lit up originally. I've started copying the panic reports - will these have any clues?
     
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    First thing I would do is to put CPU B in socket A, leave socket B empty (to eliminate CPU problem), reset SMC, and test.

    If result is the same, leave CPU A in socket A alone, reset SMC and test.

    If result is still the same.....the first suspect is Logic Board.
     
  7. Excruciates thread starter macrumors newbie

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    Ok thanks. I'm waiting for some Arctic Silver to arrive so will experiment when it's here.
     
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    You don`t need to change themal paste for couple of minutes of testing your CPUs. They won`t do any hard work :)
     
  9. Excruciates thread starter macrumors newbie

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    Ok thanks. The trouble is it usually crashes after about an hour - can they last that long without thermal paste?
    What's weird is that I tried the old 5770 again (as it struck me that I'd put in a new gpu power cable with the new gpu so thought it might just be that) but it still gets stuck chiming over and over, and the CPU B fail LED comes on instantly. I don't get why with one card it gets passed the boot up (but then fails later) and with the other it doesn't! Maybe the old gpu and the cpu/logic board are faulty??? Or maybe the new gpu is faulty too?!! Hopefully I'll find some answers when I start pulling out the cpus.
     
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    Exisitng thermal paste on CPUs / heatsinks would do just fine. Just don't clean it when you swap CPUs and you will be fine for that short time. When you find 100% solution, and everything is ready to go in its place, then you clean CPUs and heatsinks and apply new paste.

    I do hope that one of the CPUs is culprit, because they are very cheap these days.
     
  11. Excruciates thread starter macrumors newbie

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    Ok, an update. Since my last post I had to wait over a week for replacement cpu's so took the mac to pieces and cleaned out the mountain of dust that was hiding on the inner surface of the heat sinks. After restart it was ok for 24hrs but the green stripy screen kernel panics then reappeared, with both the CPU A and CPU B fail LEDs illuminated. The new pair of x5365's finally arrived so I installed them yesterday morning and had a wonderfully speedy and crash free day - but today, to my utter dread, the kps have returned.

    I found another thread with the same issue and that turned out to be a faulty DIMM. I've tested my DIMMs as much as I think I can - putting them in pairs at a time, on one riser then the other, swapping top and bottom but the crashes still seem to happen.

    I've been keeping a record of panic reports and they pretty much are all designated as 'Spinlock acquisition timed out...'

    Any advice greatly appreciated. After installing new cpu's and gpu I thought I would sort this but it keeps coming back, like Michael Myers in Halloween.

    Latest crash report:

    Interval Since Last Panic Report: 132799 sec
    Panics Since Last Report: 7
    Anonymous UUID: 3D076192-58C1-40A7-AE52-8E68F1116ECC

    Fri Oct 23 13:46:13 2015
    panic(cpu 0 caller 0x2c5695): "Spinlock acquisition timed out: lock=0x1a577828, lock owner thread=0x1bc81be8, current_thread: 0x1b1937f0, lock owner active on CPU 0x5, current owner: 0x1bc81be8"@/SourceCache/xnu/xnu-1699.32.7/osfmk/i386/locks_i386.c:376
    Backtrace (CPU 0), Frame : Return Address (4 potential args on stack)
    0x10bdd8 : 0x2203de (0x6b08cc 0x10bdf8 0x229fb0 0x0)
    0x10be08 : 0x2c5695 (0x6bc730 0x1a577828 0x1bc81be8 0x1b1937f0)
    0x10be38 : 0x22ce64 (0x1a577828 0x1 0x10be68 0x22df33)
    0x10be78 : 0x22fb7f (0x1b574000 0x5 0x1 0x1d1ca6b)
    0x10bea8 : 0x22fc69 (0x1b574000 0x1 0x0 0x1b574000)
    0x10bec8 : 0x23f102 (0x1b574000 0x0 0x10bf08 0x0)
    0x10bf08 : 0x2bbf63 (0x81d0cc 0x31c1f2a 0x907 0x924abc20)
    0x10bf48 : 0x2cd6b8 (0x0 0x2d0d29 0x0 0x924abd80)
    0x10bf68 : 0x2d450f (0x924abc20 0x1 0x10bf98 0x1)
    0x10bf98 : 0x2ceb98 (0xde 0x924abc20 0x4 0x0)
    0x10bfd8 : 0x2e570e (0x924abc20 0x7c22ae38 0x0 0x2c5e0b)
    0x924abcb8 : 0x22d3e5 (0x867d00 0x30cb87c 0x907 0x868ae0)
    0x924abcf8 : 0x22e1c0 (0x1b1937f0 0x867d00 0x0 0x0)
    0x924abd48 : 0x22f6c2 (0x1b19380c 0x153b0784 0x908 0x0)
    0x924abda8 : 0x22f821 (0x5c8710 0x0 0x0 0x0)
    0x924abdc8 : 0x5c967e (0x5c8710 0x1 0x4630c0 0x3e8)
    0x924abf38 : 0x5c9934 (0x1b1937f0 0x0 0x0 0x0)
    0x924abf78 : 0x5f3c2a (0x1b6d98c8 0x1e7edcd4 0x2b349328 0x1e7edcd0)
    0x924abfc8 : 0x2e60a7 (0x1e7edcd0 0x0 0x10 0x0)

    BSD process name corresponding to current thread: distnoted

    Mac OS version:
    11G63

    Kernel version:
    Darwin Kernel Version 11.4.2: Thu Aug 23 16:26:45 PDT 2012; root:xnu-1699.32.7~1/RELEASE_I386
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  12. Excruciates thread starter macrumors newbie

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    Just updating this as I still need help. After a kernel panic where the screen went its usual stripy green it then started flickering and changing colour. This made me think that it might be a gpu issue, despite the recent purchase of a new 5770. I noticed that the replacement 5770 doesn't have the 'cage' slot that the old one had, and so it sits lower and closer to the top of the DIMM cover - which gets very hot. So I used a bit of cork (couldn't think what else to use that would be safe - and I had a glass or two on the go!) to prop the card up to keep it a bit further away from the heat source. I've also upped the fans using Macs Fan Control and things have improved massively. But, my mac temps look well within normal parameters and as far as I know there's no temp sensor on the gpu so don't know if it's struggling or not.

    Here are the readings with the fans up (with them set to normal the DIMMs reach about 68C, and I think the IOH heatsink goes a lot higher too and then it starts panicking)..
    Screen Shot 2015-10-29 at 14.59.59.png

    I've had one kp since using this cooler approach which happened after shifting the fan speeds down slightly - the screen went stripy black and white and then it rebooted by itself. No warning LED lights appeared on the motherboard. So, something is not liking heat - any idea how I can narrow down my options? I've thoroughly tested the ram, replaced the cpu's and cleaned every bit of dust from the heatsinks. Could it just be that the new gpu is overly sensitive/not functioning properly? The seller told me it was thoroughly stress tested before sale but is willing to take it back - I'm just not 100% sure if it's that or if it's something else so wondering if anyone can make any suggestions.
     
  13. Excruciates thread starter macrumors newbie

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    These are the heat readings with the fans on auto - probably more useful. Are they ok?

    Screen Shot 2015-10-29 at 16.23.01.png
     
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    Thanks Bax. Pleased to report I have finally resolved this. It was, after all, the replacement ATi Radeon 5770 that was causing the crashes. It was a non Mac flashed version bought on eBay and it clearly struggled once the heat built up inside the Mac Pro. It didn't have the black mount/heatsink that official Mac versions have so I guess it couldn't disperse the heat as well as it could and would fail when it got too much. I've bought a 5870 instead, which again is a non Mac flashed version but it has a large metal heatsink mounted underneath and is ok. Strangely, it only shows up as a generic "ATI Radeon HD 5000 1024 MB" in System Info but at least the old 1,1 is back up and running and firing on all cylinders.
     
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    Great ! :)
     

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