Mac Pro 2008 vs Mid 2010

[sparkie7]

Is there a significant performance upgrade from a Mac Pro 3,1 2008 8-core 2.8 Ghz vs a 5,1 Mid 2010 8-core 2.4 Ghz?

What are the Pros and Cons of the Mid 2010?

Is it worth upgrading from a 2008 to one of these 2010? and what $$ is one worth nowadays..

Also, can the RAM in the 2010 be installed as single sticks, or do they need to be done in pairs (like the 2008)

Can the mid-2010 run the latest Mac OS High Sierra?

 

[h9826790]

Is there a significant performance upgrade from a Mac Pro 3,1 2008 8-core 2.8 Ghz vs a 5,1 Mid 2010 8-core 2.4 Ghz?

What are the Pros and Cons of the Mid 2010?

Is it worth upgrading from a 2008 to one of these 2010? and what $$ is one worth nowadays..

Also, can the RAM in the 2010 be installed as single sticks, or do they need to be done in pairs (like the 2008)

Can the mid-2010 run the latest Mac OS High Sierra?

For what usage?

 

[sparkie7]

For what usage?

Design, photography, eg indesign, illustrator, photoshop

 

[orph]

for those apps you dont want/need a dual CPU setup, get a single CPU macpro 5.1 with a fast cpu.
if your able to upgrade the CPU yourself you can save a lot of time looking as well as $$ buying a unit, also gives you the option of the X5677 3.46ghz 4c cpu ^^ which is the fastest option for those apps (for both a single cpu or dual cpu macpro)

i have a 3.1 & 5.1, when i got the 5.1 and upgraded the cpu to a 3.33ghz 6c i found it a lot faster for what i do 1/3+ faster.

the macpro 4.1 is a tad harder to upgrade the cpu the 5.1 is super easy (was the first time iv ever installed a cpu and had no problems.

one thing to mention is that most new laptops/imacs/macmins will be faster for those apps something to think about.

 

[sparkie7]

if your able to upgrade the CPU yourself you can save a lot of time looking as well as $$ buying a unit, also gives you the option of the X5677 3.46ghz 4c cpu ^^ which is the fastest option for those apps (for both a single cpu or dual cpu macpro)

Where is best to source these CPU's and price for these? Links/info/requirements install these yourself?

Is it possible to upgrade a 2010 5,1 with a Intel Xeon X5690 6 Core processor?

 

[orph]

see sticky thread
Mac Pro CPU Compatibility List
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/mac-pro-cpu-compatibility-list.1954766/

do a search for CPU upgrades here and you will find lots of help, i picked up a 5.1 with a 4c cpu and swapped it for a 6c cpu.

i did it and it was fairly simple, the macpro 5.1 is super easy to do the 4.1 is a tad more complex with dual cpu models (but there identical apart from that)

also as i mentioned to work out total cost and compare that to an imac or something if your relay want a speed upgrade it's worth thinking about.

 

[Kris Kelvin]

Is there a significant performance upgrade from a Mac Pro 3,1 2008 8-core 2.8 Ghz vs a 5,1 Mid 2010 8-core 2.4 Ghz?

For single core usage, not really. For multicore usage, the 5,1 will be considerably faster because it has Hyper Threading. But when you already have 8 cores, that's only relevant for very few use cases (e.g. video encoding and 3d rendering).
Also, the CPUs in the 2010 support a few features in hardware that the previous ones don't (like AES decryption).

Is it worth upgrading from a 2008 to one of these 2010?

Probably yes. The 2010 should be supported until 2019 and can easily be upgraded with a new CPU if you need more power.

Also, can the RAM in the 2010 be installed as single sticks

Well...it depends. See here. In short, it's best if you install 6 identical modules.

Can the mid-2010 run the latest Mac OS High Sierra?

Yes!

 

[flowrider]

the macpro 4.1 is a tad harder to upgrade the cpu the 5.1 is super easy (was the first time iv ever installed a cpu and had no problems.

Just to clarify - The dual CPU 4,1 cMP is a lot harder to CPU upgrade than a 5,1 due tp the integrated heat spreader removal or spacer requirement. The single CPU 4,1 has no IHS issue so upgrading the CPU is the same as a 5,1 cMP.

Lou

 

[z970]

Not to invade or anything, but is there a noticeable performance difference between the 3,1 and the 4,1? Is there a utility or practicality difference?

 

[kohlson]

Memory: Different in the 5,1. I just helped a friend upgrade from his 2010 dual socket from 15GB (3x4, and 3x1) to 24 GB (6x4). The later model is a little more flexible, and the memory is faster.

You may want to read through the CPU thread, but you can upgrade to a 6-core Westmere 3.33 for under $100. It's straightforward, enables faster memory speeds, and I believe is better at virtualization. If you want dual core, get a built-in-2010 model, and the CPU upgrades are easier - you don't have to mess with wither deluding or washers.

 

[adam9c1]

I thought the washers thing or delidding is on dual processor basrd 4,1 and 5,1 while single processr versions use standard processors.

 

[flowrider]

Memory: Different in the 5,1. I just helped a friend upgrade from his 2010 dual socket from 15GB (3x4, and 3x1) to 24 GB (6x4). The later model is a little more flexible, and the memory is faster.

You may want to read through the CPU thread, but you can upgrade to a 6-core Westmere 3.33 for under $100. It's straightforward, enables faster memory speeds, and I believe is better at virtualization. If you want dual core, get a built-in-2010 model, and the CPU upgrades are easier - you don't have to mess with wither deluding or washers.

This is true with the 4,1 cMP because of the CPU limitation. With a firmware upgrade, the 4,1 can use the same CPUs as the 5,1 and the DRAM will be the speed allowed by the CPU and be just as fast as the 5,1, topping out at 1333MHz.
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I thought the washers thing or delidding is on dual processor basrd 4,1 and 5,1 while single processr versions use standard processors.

Only the 4,1 dual processor cMP uses delidded CPUs. The 5,1 cMP use standard CPUs, as does the single processor 4,1 and 5,1.

Lou

 

[orph]

to see changes just google the cpu's there using, look at comparisons ie
E5462 v W3680
http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Xeon-W3680-vs-Intel-Xeon-E5462
or look at old barfeats posts like this one http://barefeats.com/wst10c2.html
(cinbench is always a good cpu test both showing single core cpu speed and multi core cpu speed)
dont look at old tests that look at GPU speed as thats an easy upgrade

simply in single core speed something like a W3680 is noticeably faster than a E5462 and when using all cores (ie two 4c E5462 v one 6c W3680 the W3680 tends to win)

i think i saw something like a 1/3 speedup depending on tasks also a big plus is the 4.1/5.1 have much cheaper used ram on ebay, i picked up 32GB for something like £50 2-3 years ago (yikes maybe more now)

but i do want to say is that if you care about speed do think twice and dont over spend as a macpro is slow by today's speeds http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Xeon-W3680-vs-Intel-Core-i7-8700K/m12335vs3937
so do compare your total spend cost to say a imac if you cant pick up a 4.1/5.1 cheep (and they relay need to be cheep to compete with any modern computer)

 

[OS6-OSX]

5,1 Mid 2010 8-core 2.4 Ghz? what $$ is one worth nowadays

Wide range from $995.00 https://www.dvwarehouse.com/Apple-Mac-Pro-c-5210.html
to $1859.00 https://www.powermax.com/productcategory/used/used-macs/mac-pro-used-macs/
but that's only two sites.

I was looking into the ole 2008 retirement plan via 2010 v. 2012 v. mMP. For me there are too many unknowns pertaining to the mMP to choose. As soon as the mMP specs/price are known the choice between the 3 will be obvious. I don't do CAD so I will either go for the mMP or increase RAID speed and CUDA cores. I will probably pass on the 2010 & 2012 if the mMP is a bust!

 

[orph]

i got my 5.1 for £500 2 years ago (maybe longer ago? not shore of hand), and my 3.1 was £300 5 years ago some of the used prices are just silly iv seen dual 4.1 for £400 when i was looking for my 5.1.
there the 2010 computer is almost 8 years old now there slow by today's speeds
for "Design, photography, eg indesign, illustrator, photoshop" you need fast single core speed and fast drives, so relay do compare the cost to a new imac or something

 

[sparkie7]

I was looking into the ole 2008 retirement plan via 2010 v. 2012 v. mMP. For me there are too many unknowns pertaining to the mMP to choose. As soon as the mMP specs/price are known the choice between the 3 will be obvious. I don't do CAD so I will either go for the mMP or increase RAID speed and CUDA cores. I will probably pass on the 2010 & 2012 if the mMP is a bust!

If the mMP is rock solid piece of design, expandable housing etc.. they yeah it'll be a cracker and deliver us from the darth vader trash can that can only be described as a joke
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compare the cost to a new imac or something

One of the drawbacks of an iMac is its expandability and ease (or lack of) access to drives/memory etc..

 

[z970]

deliver us from the darth vader trash can that can only be described as a joke

10/10

 

[orph]

i dont know, if you can pick up one cheep then it's worth it i gess. in the UK gumtree or ebay for pickup only tend to be the best ways to look the postage ones tend to be way overpriced for the speed your getting.

i gess my main point was that something newer will have a much bigger jump in CPU speed & internal drive speed + thunderbolt/USB3 etc as well as the new imacs having a good display.

thats a benchmark, Photoshop near the bottom
http://barefeats.com/imac5K_vs_pros.html

i gess in OS6-OSX link there's a 2009 macpro for $450, thats not bad just pick up a CPU and some x server ram pull your drives from your 2008 grab a usb3 card and sell the 2008 to offset the cost (maybe pick up a 680 to flash to) maybe $600 total cost?