Mac Pro 2009 vs Intel I7 4770 K.

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  1. augusto58, Sep 3, 2014
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    Hi I have a question to the experts of processors, talking with a friend and owner of PC led to discussion on the processors in question in the title.

    Basically the question is: between a Mac Pro 4-core 2.66 GHz 32 GB of 2009 ( Intel Xeon 5500) and a PC with intel I7 4770 K 32 GB, which of the two is more powerful for video editing with Premiere DC for example?

    If there are differences in favor of who and how much?
    According to my point of view the I7 4770 K and more powerful but little in the end, did not even notice I'd say doing video editing, but I may be wrong.

    I wait for your opinions, thank you.

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  2. sirio76 macrumors regular

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    In term of single core speed the i7 is twice as fast as the old 2.66 MP(this is very important since most operations are just single threaded). For multicore speed the i7 should offer near identical performance. The last version of Premiere use also GPUs for some tasks so check graphic card performance as well.
     
  3. augusto58 thread starter macrumors member

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    Sorry I do not understand, I7 4770 K and faster right?
    But in general as compared to an Intel Xeon 5500-mac pro?
    The double ????? then the mac-pro and obsolete !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! slow !!!!!!!!!!!!

    I have a windows pc passsare ??????
    * Thank you.

    :(

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    This means that any PC i7 4770K for $ 700 and more powerful than a mac pro 4-core 2009 ????????

    Tell me that's not true please.

    : Eek:
     
  4. sirio76 macrumors regular

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    Sorry but this is true. Keep in mind that your MP is 5years old and even when released it was not the faster option, while the 4770 is just a year old and till a few days ago was likely the best single thread performing CPU.
    I7 "k" CPUs are also usually overclocked and this will give you a significant boost in both single and multithreaded tasks.
    They are two very different machines, released in different years, with different usage and with different components(workstation vs gaming oriented) so there's no reason to compare price/performance IMO.
     
  5. augusto58 thread starter macrumors member

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    If we compare the MacPro 8 core instead of 2009 or something changes and always less all'I7 4770K?
    :(


    Tancks.
     
  6. DPUser macrumors 6502a

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    You can improve your 4,1's performance easily by updating the EFI (free) and replacing the CPU with a hex W3680 or 3690 at a cost of $250-350. A GPU upgrade is also something you can do.
     
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    talk about mac-pro 4 core and you mean a lot to improve?
    basically I would not be less than a i7 4770K with what I spend!
    since the 2009 MacPro 4 core (800 euro) I still have to buy it if you calculate the RAM to be added and various modifications would not spend about 1800 euro, a lot !!
    rather whether the 2009 8-core MacPro and higher than the i7 4770 K then spend more but I take an 8 core willingly.

    Thank you.
     
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    Unfortunately if you bought that Mac Pro recently it would be a rather old machine and therefore it's quite expected it won't be as fast as one of the fastest current processors out there for the enthusiast market.

    Heck at the time the Mac Pro was release, the base configuration wasn't as fast of the fastest processor available for the enthusiast market let alone now!

    For that reason I found it imperative in order for my computer to be fast for the things I wanted to do that I buy the model that would release competitive for many years to come.

    For me I bought the dual quad 2.66GHz (8 core) model which even after 5 years is still very good. However due to it's size I was unable to move with said computer and is now sitting in storage and I've been forced to upgrade myself to the newer more portable one.
     
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    I'm sorry it fell a myth as the MacPro 2009, which was dreaming, but unfortunately a car and now old, best to move to a new and more powerful, but MAC and too expensive, better to go with windows 1500 euro'm a monster PC.
    Goodbye my sweet apple.


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  10. Synchro3, Sep 6, 2014
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    1) If you upgrade a Mac Pro 4,1 with a Xeon W3690 Hex Core for $300, you will have more or less the same multicore speed as with a i7 4770K Quad Core. Look at the benchmark below.

    2) If the current processor of the Mac Pro is a 4-core 2.66 GHz of 2009, it is a Xeon W3520, not a Xeon 5500.
     

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    Yeah, no need to buy a PC. This is cheaper to fix instead of buying a new computer.
     
  12. augusto58, Sep 6, 2014
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    it completely depends on what kind of applications you use and what work you do.

    some tasks depend on single thread cpu speed, some processes take advantage of more cores and multicore performance.

    video converting/effects rendering in video editing is one of those jobs that does take advantage of multiple cores (and in the future, multiple GPUs, especially FCX), so the 8-core converted to 12-core has value in that situation.

    for people not working with video, usually the single processor replaced by high speed CPU is the way to go
     
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    I used to do video editing with FCPX or Premiere Pro CC and everything in AVCHD, so it must be very powerful, but I think a 4 core modified fit.
     
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    It's not that your Mac is "slow", it's just that Intel has made some good progress since that processor was made. The W3520 is the Xeon version of the consumer i7 920, the first generation of i7's. I had one of the 920's and currently my Windows PC has a 3770. When comparing video encoding times, the 3770 is about 2x as fast as the 920 was. The 4770 would be about 10-15% faster then the 3770.

    Nehalem processors (your Mac CPU) was a significant upgrade from the Core based processors used in the 2006-2007 Mac Pro's. The 4770 is based on Ivy Bridge and again is a significant upgrade from the Nehalem era of CPU's.
     
  16. Synchro3, Sep 7, 2014
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    Yes, this is your machine. :cool: And this is the CPU: http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_fro...tel+Xeon+W3690&_nkw=Intel+Xeon+W3690&_sacat=0
    Don't forget to upgrade the firmware to 5,1 before you upgrade the CPU: http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1609842

    I forgot to mention that the Core i7 4770K in the benchmark above was brutally overclocked to 4.4 GHz. Normal Speed would be 3.5 GHz. What means that the Xeon W3690 is even more competitive.
     
  17. augusto58 thread starter macrumors member

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    Thank you too to help me, now I explain exactly what I want.
    I now I have a Imac 24 "alluminum 2009 with the specifications below.

    2,93 Ghz - intel core 2 duo - 6 GB - 1067 MHz DDR3 -



    Now I do not want a MacPro from $ 10,000 !!!!! I do not have to work for CNN !!!
    I am an amateur hobbyist evolved with no great pretensions.
    But I ask, if with my imac 24 "now that you have seen what his power, now working in AVCHD to ProRes 422 for FCPX quite well, rendering long and some slowdown, but it works quite well.

    Question with a 4-core MacPro 2009 as I linked above, leaving it as is for now (but in the future "retrofitted") definitely will work better and be more powerful than my imac 24 "am I right?

    Although in the end, and less powerful than a I7 4770 K is fine to me the same, and as soon as I can potenzierò him, but in the meantime work definitely faster in my imac 24 "!
    Maybe for now I'll put 32 GB of RAM and upgrade to 5.1 and then I stop.
    See what I mean?

    Thank you.


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  18. Synchro3, Sep 7, 2014
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    Yes, you are right, see benchmarks below.


    iMac 24", 2.93 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo, Early 2009 (Intel Core 2 Duo E8335)

    Geekbench Multicore ≈ 3846

    Mac Pro 2009 (not upgraded) 2.66 GHz 4 Core (Xeon W3520)

    Geekbench Multicore ≈ 8144

    Mac Pro 2009 (upgraded) 3.46 GHz 6 Core (Xeon W3690)

    Geekbench Multicore ≈ 14800

    By the way, to compare Macs download this tool:
    https://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/5968/mactracker

    If you want to benchmark yourself your iMac download this tool:
    http://www.primatelabs.com/geekbench/download/

    or this tool: http://www.maxon.net/products/cinebench/overview.html
     
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    grazie ancora,allora farò in questo modo,intanto lavoro con un macpro 4 core come questo sotto,e sicuramente sarà piu veloce del mio imac 24" e poi con calma potrò potenziare il macpro aggiornando alla 5.1 installando 32 gb e sostituendo la scheda.


    http://www.ebay.it/itm/Apple-Mac-Pr..._Apple_Desktops_CV&hash=item1e89517244&_uhb=1

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    and thanks for all the links you put me, I'm really very useful.

    thanks friend.



    Apple forever ;)
     
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    would it be a problem if you get a nMP?
     
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    would it be a problem if you get a nMP? : Confuso:

    sorry but I do not understand what a nMP !!!
     
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    : Mad:

    Surely you !!!
    costs much more than a MacPro 2009!
    the problem and in fact I can not spend a lot of time, but taking a MacPro 2009 I spend about 800 euro, then calmly a little at a time as I can to strengthen my pleasure.
    I also knew that if I take the new MacPro 8 core super fast and I would be all over again but at what price ??

    hello.

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    this would be ideal !!!!!!!!!!

    but it costs too !!!!!



    http://www.ebay.it/itm/Apple-ME253B..._Apple_Desktops_CV&hash=item51c010d1eb&_uhb=1


    : P
     
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    it's a problem then..because of $$...
     
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    Augusto: I don't know if you purchased the Mac Pro 2009 already?

    If you did you can potentially double it's speed for about 80 Euros, which in my opinion it's pretty close to the performance of the i7.

    My current setup is a Mac Pro 2010 I purchased refurbished from Apple last year.

    Just over a week ago I became interested in PC Games after some disappointment in the new consoles (Xbox One) and saw that I could do better with my Mac Pro.

    I had an original Apple branded ATI Radeon 5770 HD Graphics Card, I have put in a PC card in place of that which is a GTX 660 by EVGA, which has already gone over double in performance there alone.

    My next upgrade is the CPU...

    I have the 2010 Mac Pro with just one Quad Core (4x) CPU running at 2.8Ghz
    My options were getting the fastest compatible chip but that costs too much for me at the moment, this was a 3.43 Hex Core (6x) for 200Euro's

    After looking around and asking on here, I found out that I could install a smaller hex core Xeon X5650 chip which cost me 60Euro's shipped.

    When I install this chip it will make my system twice as fast, which is crazy enough and enough power for me for what I do and plan to do.

    If you haven't already purchased a Mac Pro system, perhaps look for a 2010 model since you wouldn't need to flash the bios and the 2010 are only about 30% more than a 2009.

    If you can spend abit more, get a Dual Quad system where you could install 2 cheaper chips and tripple the speed.

    My current 2010 model benchmarks at 8554 with Geekbench
    When I upgrade the CPU it will be twice as much as that.
    If in the future I have some extra funds, I plan to get a Quad CPU Board for my 2010 and I'll install 2 of the 2.66 Hex Core X5650 and I'll get over tripple my original system.

    I hope that makes sense for you in Italy.

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    P.S. Also the 2010 is easier to upgrade the CPU since it has a better socket design on the CPU chip holding mech.
     

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