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Mac Pro 2012 is now officially vintage in US and Turkey!

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And considered obsolete elsewhere... Explains why I have been having a hard time trying to order a new part!

The sun has finally set on the cMP.

Source: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201624

Just realized Macrumors reported on this back in November '18. It appears Apple may have backtracked on the 'Repair Pilot Program' seeing that there is no mention of the December 2020 date or pilot program on Apple's vintage page.

Source: https://www.macrumors.com/2018/11/01/apple-adds-iphone-5-to-vintage-repair-pilot
 
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This day was expected for some time already, we were on borrowed time. At least, 2012 parts will be a lot cheaper now, like 2010 already are.

The interesting thing is that Apple still don't have a successor for the 2013 Mac Pro yet.

The next one to be obsolete will be late-2012 Mac minis.
 
tsialex said:
The interesting thing is that Apple still don't have a successor for the 2013 Mac Pro yet.
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By Apple's definition: Vintage products are those that have not been manufactured for more than 5 years

I wonder if Apple is actually still manufacturing the 2013 Mac Pro, or if they are just selling off a "vintage" stockpile? :p
 
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MIKX said:
So, Mojave will be the last Mac OS upgrade for cMPs ?
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I don't think so. The cMP 2010 became vintage in 2017 and got Mojave support so looks like both 2010/2012 mac pros will get 10.15 support as there needs to be a transition period once the 2019 is brought to market.

If we're to consider dosdude and the community's contributions, we may even get 10.16/10.17 support. The good news is that there will be an influx of used parts once organizations begin to migrate to the new mac pros which helps those of us that don't wish to upgrade, especially since there's an increasing possibility of a global recession on the horizon.

So yeah, I am sticking with my trusted cMP for now.
 
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W1SS said:
I don't think so. The cMP 2010 became vintage in 2017 and got Mojave support so looks like both 2010/2012 mac pros will get 10.15 support as there needs to be a transition period once the 2019 is brought to market.

If we're to consider dosdude and the community's contributions, we may even get 10.16/10.17 support. The good news is that there will be an influx of used parts once organizations begin to migrate to the new mac pros which helps those of us that don't wish to upgrade, especially since there's an increasing possibility of a global recession on the horizon.

So yeah, I am sticking with my trusted cMP for now.
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That's simply because the 2010 and 2012 share the same Mac Pro 5,1 identifier.

In fact, at the very beginning, High Sierra only support 2012 model but not 2010 officially. However, Apple add that back into the list later because it is indeed supported natively due to has the same identifier as the 2012 model.
 
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That's simply because the 2010 and 2012 share the same Mac Pro 5,1 identifier.

In fact, at the very beginning, High Sierra only support 2012 model but not 2010 officially. However, Apple add that back into the list later because it is indeed supported natively due to has the same identifier as the 2012 model.
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I'm aware of this and knowing Apple, I don't think we'll ever see this happen again - two different year models sharing the same identifier. My magic ball tells me the 2012 (and its 2010 twin) will continue to get official OS support until latest 2020.
 
The vintage king. The king is dead! Long live the king! Except there is no new king yet...;)
 
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W1SS said:
I'm aware of this and knowing Apple, I don't think we'll ever see this happen again - two different year models sharing the same identifier. My magic ball tells me the 2012 (and its 2010 twin) will continue to get official OS support until latest 2020.
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This wasn't an anomaly. The 2003 and 2004 model PowerMac G5's shared the same model designation of 7,2.
 
pl1984 said:
This wasn't an anomaly. The 2003 and 2004 model PowerMac G5's shared the same model designation of 7,2.
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MacBook late 2006 and early 2007 are both MacBook2,1 / MacBook Air late 2008 and mid 2009 are both MacBookAir2,1.
 
@pl1984 @tsialex

I didn't say it was an anomaly. I said 'I don't think we'll ever see this happen again' meaning post 2012.

Edit: I stand corrected and unless the information on mactracker is wrong, there are several macbook airs and imacs that share the same identifier but were different year models.

This practice appears to have stopped post 2016.
 
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I remain optimistic that the 5,1 will get 10.15 support simply because of past history. I can't find an occurrence since the annual OS release cycle began with 10.7 where Apple dropped hardware compatibility two years in a row. Instead, the pattern has been at least one release in between which maintains the compatibility list from the previous release (similar to what they do with iOS).

10.8 - Dropped some models
10.9 - Same compatibility list as 10.8
10.10 - Same compatibility list as 10.8/10.9
10.11 - Same compatibility list as 10.8/10.9/10.10
10.12 - Dropped some models
10.13 - Same compatibility list as 10.12
10.14 - Dropped some models
10.15 - ?

Also, color me skeptical that Apple would tell cMP owners to drop $150+ on a new video card just to keep it alive for one stinking year. If they were going to drop the cMP, Mojave was the time to do it.

I have no particular insight and sometimes my hunches are wrong, but I don't think there is any evidence to assume they're going to drop the cMP from official OS compatibility this year. The odds certainly seem better than 50/50 that they keep us around one more year.
 
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W1SS said:
And considered obsolete elsewhere... Explains why I have been having a hard time trying to order a new part!

The sun has finally set on the cMP.

Source: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201624

Just realized Macrumors reported on this back in November '18. It appears Apple may have backtracked on the 'Repair Pilot Program' seeing that there is no mention of the December 2020 date or pilot program on Apple's vintage page.

Source: https://www.macrumors.com/2018/11/01/apple-adds-iphone-5-to-vintage-repair-pilot
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The program is still in effect. Apple just isn't advertising it.
 
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Joe Rossignol said:
The program is still in effect. Apple just isn't advertising it.
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Good to know, thanks Joe. It appears Apple has been tightening the net on grey market parts, new and used, as I have noticed many listings were removed from Amazon since Jan 1st ie. parts that were listed as 'By Apple' no longer exist.

A sign of things to come?
 
Kind of ridiculous. And sad. Writing this post from my 2012 Mac Pro that runs better than it did when it was new.
 
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Apple let the macOS stagnate, instead of needed features in Mojave they offer "Dark Mode". It takes about ten years for software to catch up with hardware, the more complex the apps and OS become, the harder it is to code.

Hardware has it's own challenges but tends to progress with Moore's Law.

The 2010/2012 Mac Pro still has some life in it, because the software hasn't caught up with the hardware, advanced instruction sets in the Xeon are rarely used by Apple in the macOS, but in time that changes.

We've seen with SSE4.1/SSE4.2 older Mac Pro's fall by the wayside, so instructions sets the Xeon's in the 4,1/5,1 will be it's limiting factor when Apple chooses to use features and instruction of newer CPU's the cMP will never support.
 
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W1SS said:
I didn't say it was an anomaly. I said 'I don't think we'll ever see this happen again' meaning post 2012.
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I don't recall having said you did. I said it was not an anomaly. As such I don't have the same confidence as you do that it won't happen again.
 
tsialex said:
The interesting thing is that Apple still don't have a successor for the 2013 Mac Pro yet.
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I can't imagine that Apple will declare the 2013 Mac Pro vintage until at least three years after they stop selling them because of AppleCare (it will give it the full five years).

Would that make the 2013 Mac Pro the longest lasting recent Mac before becoming vintage ?
 
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