MP 1,1-5,1 Mac Pro 5.1 mid 2010 configuration help

Mad Kat

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Hi, I wanted to ask you for personal help on how to configure my old Mac Pro 5.1 2010
For the moment I purchased these components:

Slot 1 Crucial ssd mx 500 1tb (disk4s1)
Slot 2 Seagate 1tb (disk1s2)
Slot 3 Wd blue 2tb (disk3s2)
Slot 4 Wd red nas 4tb (disk2s2)

It must come to me soon:
2x Intel Xeon x5690 3.46 Ghz Six-Core CPU matched pair Mac Pro 5.1 + 128gb RAM

Mini PCI-E 52pin Adapter For BCM94360CD

Broadcom BCM94360CD 802.11ac WiFi card + Bluetooth 4.0

I was interested in knowing, the best thermal paste, cleaning liquids, can to perform the cpu replacement job, and what I could put in my pcie ports

i would like usb 3.1, gigabit ethernet, amd video card better

Thanks a lot in advance for the advice
 
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I would like to take a pcie card to start ssd 2.5, but I've seen that they also exist for nvme versions, and I don't understand in terms of performance they are different compared to connecting an ssd on pcie port always with adapter
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about the usb3 pcie card - 3.1 I was undecided between these: inateck kt4004, HighPoint RocketU 1144, CalDigit FASTA-6GU3 Pro, Sonnet Allegro USB 3.0 4-port but I don't understand the substantial differences between the various models, especially if they can recharge the ipad, iphone devices and start booting from external boxes hd-ssd
 
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but a curiosity, what is the difference in terms of performance between a 2.5 "ssd on a pci-e card and a m.2 nvme pcie of 1 tb .... same brand? read and slip identically
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over all, in a few days the processors arrive and I have not yet purchased the thermal paste and the products to clean the heat sink ... I am confused about the best in circulation
 

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Even if I install SSD on pcie ..? regarding thermal paste and cleaning products before installing, you always have some advice p.s Thanks IndioX
 

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but a curiosity, what is the difference in terms of performance between a 2.5 "ssd on a pci-e card and a m.2 nvme pcie of 1 tb .... same brand? read and slip identically
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over all, in a few days the processors arrive and I have not yet purchased the thermal paste and the products to clean the heat sink ... I am confused about the best in circulation
I have always used Isopropanol alcohol the 99% variety for cleaning all my electronics, cpus and their heatsinks. It works very well and leaves nothing on the part once it evaporates away. For your NVMe question you will want to read the mega thread below for it. Oh and now I think I have the kt4004 card it is only USB3 not the 3.1.

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/blade-ssds-nvme-ahci.2146725/
 
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yes, design-conditional with 2.5 SSD > max 540 to 560 MB/s

for CPU thermal past use Arctic MX-4 > not to much!
cleaning with 100% clean alcohol
 

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so is it enough only isopropyl alcohol to clean from thermal vacchia both on cpu and dissipator? with microfibre cloth and on motherboard and ram tray spraying and blowing with air?
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I have seen that artic produces two bottles 1 remove material and 1 surface purifier, but if you tell me that just enough alcohol I get only that
 

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so is it enough only isopropyl alcohol to clean from thermal vacchia both on cpu and dissipator? with microfibre cloth and on motherboard and ram tray spraying and blowing with air?
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I have seen that artic produces two bottles 1 remove material and 1 surface purifier, but if you tell me that just enough alcohol I get only that
Don't even need the fibre cloth I always use paper towel with a little soaked onto it. You will be throwing it away after the cleaning with the residue on it anyways. That cleaner and purifier is in my opinion, a fool and their money soon parted option. I fail to see any sense in it once you have cleaned the surface with the alcohol it is pure as it will be. Good luck with your upgrades. Ah, do you have the torx T15 screwdriver that can be used for the heatsink removal? You do not need the Allen key most recommend it just needs to be four inches long.
 

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should be included with the processors if you would like me to borrow a dynamometric screwdriver, where do I find the torque twist of the heatsink screws? Thank you guys;)
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brand alcohol ... one is worth another? you never know :)
 

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should be included with the processors if you would like me to borrow a dynamometric screwdriver, where do I find the torque twist of the heatsink screws? Thank you guys;)
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brand alcohol ... one is worth another? you never know :)
It is the same process for making all of them no difference. The torque not really needed you will figure it out easily enough the heatsink is designed to only tighten one way, correctly. Do it in a criss-cross pattern start with the single on the end for half a dozen turns then go to one of the corners, next an opposite corner. Onto one of the two left until all done the first round. Start again with the single turning until you feel it get snug. Repeat the process of the criss-cross tightening all of them until snug. Do the second heatsink in the same manner and you should be good to go.

Oh and now I remember you are doing the ram too. I just read in a post by tsialex that the ram put into these machines has to be the dual ranked variety or it will run at the lower 1066speed not the 1333 speed you want for the full speed used. It needs to be of the 2R not 4R variety for the quad ranked ones, he said when responding to a question/thread why the 96gb in a machine was not running at the higher speed. The man knows as much if not more than most apple employees about these things.

Edit: And I still had this open from the thread for the proper stuff, reasonable price and the speedpak is damn fast, china to me for a pair of the 3.46 just about a month ago in a week.

https://www.ebay.fr/itm/Samsung-96GB-6X-16GB-2RX4-DDR3-1333-MHz-PC3-10600R-For-ECC-Registered-Server-Ram/362487778470?ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649
 
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Google does it well enough to read. Thermal pads for the procedure no. Not unless you have a 4,1 machine upgraded to a 5,1 is this what you have? If you do then you are better off buying the already delided processors on Ebay they go reasonably cheap now. That listing you show is outright theft.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/PAIR-Intel-Xeon-X5690-3-46GHz-SLBVX-6-Core-CPU-X58-LGA1366-Processors/133269080431?hash=item1f0774c96f:g:maoAAOSwIsddOIwS

https://www.ebay.com/itm/2PCS-Intel-Xeon-X5690-3-46GHz-6-4GT-s-12MB-6-Core-1333GHz-SLBVX-CPU/132404331560?epid=109625090&hash=item1ed3e9c428:g:M-8AAOSwa~BYW5RJ

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Matched-Pair-Intel-Xeon-X5690-3-46GHz-6-4GT-s-12MB-6-Core-1333GHz-SLBVX-CPU/132041566642?epid=109625090&hash=item1ebe4a69b2:g:M-8AAOSwa~BYW5RJ

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Mac-Pro-2009-4-1-Processor-Upgrade-Kit-to-12-Core-3-46GHz-Xeon-X5690-SLBVX/221616239012?hash=item33995b71a4:g:pUwAAOSwpZRdX226

Even that last one is unreasonable, over a $100 dollar markup for a 10 second procedure. The putting in vice and removing the heatsink it is simple to do. I have done it myself twice.


Another I found $50 cheaper getting into buying for reasonable price range.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Pair-Delidded-Intel-Xeon-3-46GHz-X5690-IHS-Removed-2009-4-1-Mac-Pro-Upgrade-Kit/283227820232?hash=item41f1b190c8:g:oTUAAOSw5CZcipdO

Yet another lower.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Pair-Delidded-Intel-Xeon-3-46GHz-Hex-X5690-IHS-Removed-2009-4-1-Mac-Pro-Upgrade/274069185558?hash=item3fcfcbe416:g:hdQAAOSwKc5dtLbZ

For the thermal paste question. I am not sure which is better I have always went with the Arctic Silver 5 it works well for this. The heatsink on the processors is really good I do not think the paste matters as much. If the heat starts to get to much then you need to use a custom fan profile.

https://www.crystalidea.com/macs-fan-control


Edit: I would add that the 2 or 3% speed gain you will see from using the 5690 processors over the 5680 is not worth paying the extra price.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-Xeon-X5680-3-33GHz-LGA1366-12MB-L3-Cache-Six-Core-server-CPU-Processor/352559923414?epid=82050835&hash=item52163580d6:g:pSQAAOSwgnJcLrh2

https://www.ebay.com/itm/2x-Intel-XEON-X5680-3-33-GHz-12MB-SLBV5-6-Core-6-40GT-s-LGA1366-Matched-Pair-CPU/153689024158?epid=2213387138&hash=item23c894669e:g:oBgAAOSwxjxdqWsq

https://www.ebay.com/itm/2x-Intel-XEON-X5680-3-33-GHz-12MB-SLBV5-6-Core-6-40GT-s-LGA1366-Matched-Pair-CPU/142153231936?hash=item2118fe2e40:g:dFAAAOSwxKtYBmcX

https://www.ebay.com/itm/2x-Intel-XEON-X5680-3-33-GHz-12MB-SLBV5-6-Core-6-40GT-s-LGA1366-Matched-Pair-CPU/131974892211?epid=82050835&hash=item1eba510ab3:g:n9EAAOSwYIxYBmeY

Already de-lidded.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Matched-Pair-of-Xeon-X5680-12-Core-3-33GHz-w-o-IHS-Lid-Upgrade-Mac-Pro-4-1-2009/282581770214?hash=item41cb2f9fe6:g:nZ4AAOSwk1hcip2c

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Matched-Pair-2-DELIDDED-Intel-XEON-X5680-3-33GHz-6-Core-Processor-Mac-Pro-USA/283462180117?epid=82105981&hash=item41ffa99d15:g:U7MAAOSwp-ZcwK8Y

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Pair-Delidded-Intel-Xeon-3-33GHz-Hex-X5680-IHS-Removed-2009-4-1-Mac-Pro-Upgrade/274067021660?hash=item3fcfaadf5c:g:APoAAOSwXXBdso6q
 
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I must have been wrong to write again, maybe I copied the untranslated part from google translator

However, I bought mx4 pasta, although less conductive than grizzly, I hope 4gr is enough for two processors
 

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I must have been wrong to write again, maybe I copied the untranslated part from google translator

However, I bought mx4 pasta, although less conductive than grizzly, I hope 4gr is enough for two processors
It should be enough for dozens of applications on a processor, you only need a tiny amount. You put the tiny amount in the center of the processor then the heatsink on the top. It will spread it out and when the heat from the processor hits it, it will spread thinner again. After a few of these heat up and cool down cycles it will be at its best for use.
 

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I recommend a google search for the Mac Pro 2010 Technican's Guide. There is information in there on proper torque and pattern when installing the CPU, how to apply the thermal paste, and much more.
 

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Hello, and happy new year everyone,
I have now finished the surgery on my mac and it seems that everything went well :)
I wanted to ask you, do I have to perform some tests or reset or ram formations, etc. to be ok and sleep peacefully?
I noticed that the temperatures are high and the fans turn 60-70 rpm more at rest
 

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above all I ran greenbench, and I got a very low score .. 664 single core, 6119 multi core
 

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Temperatures being higher is to be expected when comparing to the older processors. Not sure what program that is but it appears to say 71 C for one processor and 56 C for another. The lower 56 is a reasonable temperature and the design of the air flow explains the higher second one as the heated air from the first goes past it to the exhaust. Keep checking when it is under load to see the temperatures then and the fan speed increasing to help cool it better, but I think you will be fine with it.
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above all I ran greenbench, and I got a very low score .. 664 single core, 6119 multi core
Geekbench 5 if so the scores are tiny in comparison to those larger ones you see. Those are for an older version of that program which calculated the scores differently.

Same machines for processors totally different scores. And your score is in line with all of the others for a Geekbench 5 result.

Edit: https://browser.geekbench.com/geekbench3/search?dir=desc&q=X5690+Mac&sort=multicore_score

 
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the program I use is tg pro
viv I had sent screen with temeprature while techtool pro test ram was running
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I don't understand why 666mhz marks me when I am 1333mhz
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should i perform pram and smc reset?
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in the status bar I can monitor 2 temperatures and 1 fan, which do you recommend to set as the most important to always keep an eye on?
diode A, diode B, Average Rpm

Thanks for the help you give me :)