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I think the problems with recognizing devices, etc. are not related to 64 bit as much as they related to Vista - in other words, Vista is the source of the problem, not 64 bit, if that is what you were wondering... Or are you just responding to the previous post? ...I'm a bit confused but w/e.

Also, you don't seem to be wondering about it anymore, but I have a HP dv9500t which isn't maxed out or anything, but is fast for my needs generally, although I don't do any sort of editing if you were wondering. But it can get very expensive quickly, although since you don't seem to be thinking about buying it, it shouldn't be a problem. Now that I have my computer I actually wish I had gotten a Macbook Pro, so I think it is the better choice over a dv9700t.

I was asking I think in order to find out which OS would be good to use in comparison to how much memory one gets..since the companies say you can get 4GBs of memory to be recognized without a 64 bit OS...I was thinking it might have been the 64 bit versions of the Windows OSs that were the problem since I see the same complaints for both XPs 64 bit OS and Vistas 64 bit (Ultimate) OS.


I was thinking of getting the DV9700T because I need something now that can handle things well enough so that I can sell it to be able to get more money for the Mac Pro...though I may just keep whichever laptop I get and just use the base end 2.8 GHZ Mac Pro the gift referral one gives worth 2700.99..if the 3GHZ is really not worth the money. I believe and just upgrade it from there (it comes w 2GBs of ram which I can easily upgrade and they dont really give you a break on hard Drive prices so I can also add that later).

Why do you wish you had gotten the MacBook Pro at that time instead? Seems like the specs have jumped exponentially with the more recent laptops..before 1.8GHZ processors were considered awesome, 160-260 were "huge" hard drives, where as now you can get so many more things like Blueray, Bluetooth, N wifi, true 1080p, 624GB Hard Drives, 2.6GHZ processors, 4GBs of ram, etc for the laptops (ie HP) for not much more (w exception to the BR drives and the VERY newest processor speeds of course). Correct me if I'm wrong but do you really think the Mac Book Pro is a better value though I believe the specs are better on the DV9700T?
 
A thought that just came to mind:

Because of the wide variety of applications and uses(edit:you plan to use it for), get a Mac Pro now so that you can have a 'home base' of sorts from which to root your computing as you transition into your new world.

The Mac Pro will be upgradeable and expandable and will remain a viable machine for many years to come.

Once you adjust and get your feet firmly on the ground, then start to look at a Mac Book or MB Pro.
 
Why do you wish you had gotten the MacBook Pro at that time instead? Seems like the specs have jumped exponentially with the more recent laptops..before 1.8GHZ processors were considered awesome, 160-260 were "huge" hard drives, where as now you can get so many more things like Blueray, Bluetooth, N wifi, true 1080p, 624GB Hard Drives, 2.6GHZ processors, 4GBs of ram, etc for the laptops (ie HP) for not much more (w exception to the BR drives and the VERY newest processor speeds of course). Correct me if I'm wrong but do you really think the Mac Book Pro is a better value though I believe the specs are better on the DV9700T?

Because I don't need to do processor intensive tasks, it wouldn't have mattered for me which computer I got anyways since the processor I got on my hp was only 2.0 ghz. I mainly wished I had gotten a Macbook Pro because of OS X and the aesthetics of the actual machine. The specs of the dv9700t aren't that much better IMO, and if you are using it as a computer before you get your Mac Pro, I would just get a 15 inch Macbook Pro, and get your display now to use with it until you get your Mac Pro. That way, once you get your Mac Pro, you will have a mobile computer that is still a Mac and a powerful Mac Pro. That is what I would do since I really feel OS X and the aesthetics are worth the trade offs after using OS X with my family's iMac, compared to my computer's Vista. Then again it is your choice.
 
A thought that just came to mind:

Because of the wide variety of applications and uses(edit:you plan to use it for), get a Mac Pro now so that you can have a 'home base' of sorts from which to root your computing as you transition into your new world.

The Mac Pro will be upgradeable and expandable and will remain a viable machine for many years to come.

Once you adjust and get your feet firmly on the ground, then start to look at a Mac Book or MB Pro.

Sounds like a good idea. I think I'm going to get a Mac Pro, and then an HP HDX for the 20 inch 1080p HD screen and all the stuff thrown in.

I'm also considering that when I get the Mac Pro from the gift reward I'll sell it, use the money over and over to sell it again on ebay so I can get Powerseller status and then use the accumulated money to get the best Mac Pro istead of settle for one with lower specs.

As far as Mac Book pro I want to wait to see what they come out with because I don't care for the Air as far as where theyre going with it. I need as many features as can be and if they're going to sacrifice that for thinness I'm not interested. The top of the line Sager

http://www.sagernotebook.com/product_customed.php?pid=29175&action=customize

looks pretty amazing but it lacks HD let alone 1080p from what I can tell..3 HARD DRIVES..insane no?
 
Because I don't need to do processor intensive tasks, it wouldn't have mattered for me which computer I got anyways since the processor I got on my hp was only 2.0 ghz. I mainly wished I had gotten a Macbook Pro because of OS X and the aesthetics of the actual machine. The specs of the dv9700t aren't that much better IMO, and if you are using it as a computer before you get your Mac Pro, I would just get a 15 inch Macbook Pro, and get your display now to use with it until you get your Mac Pro. That way, once you get your Mac Pro, you will have a mobile computer that is still a Mac and a powerful Mac Pro. That is what I would do since I really feel OS X and the aesthetics are worth the trade offs after using OS X with my family's iMac, compared to my computer's Vista. Then again it is your choice.

While I agree the aesthetics are incredibly enticing, and its design, what do you think of the fact that now Windows can get Mac OSX on it as well? Also did you try to see how the new service packs work with Vista? I'm actually having second thoughts about ditching Vista now. Some great things it has is the refresh rate as better than XP so your eyes don't get tired, its ability to use USB flash storage devices as extra RAM, and a few other things make it a bit more attractive now. The service pack is supposed to have fixed a lot of problems with Vista from what I understand. I really haven't had a problem with it since I downloaded the updates. While the HDX is huge man I dont care as the 20 inch 1080p, Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Extreme Processor X9000 running at 2.80GHz, 6MB L2 Cache, 800MHz FSB, the 640GB hard drive, 512 NVIDIA, HD TV Tuner, and BlueRay options make it worthwhile for me. Since its Intel I could also get Mac OSX on it I figure.
 
She has her own video business where she shoots edits and makes dvd for her clients. My focus at school is on things like dreamweaver, flash, photoshop... where I typically don't need to do any big time crunching

Makes sense why she needs a Mac Pro even more so.



Final Cut Suite is, in my opinion, awesome! Elegant, integrated and familiar, I wouldn't be able to recommend anything else :)

You think the newer version of it is good or better? I don't think its called Final Cut Suite anymore no?



My understanding is that when Adobe was getting started, all of their products were made for Macs. Apple itself has an immense amount of energy and resources that they put into the design aspect of their company and their brand. I believe that because of these reasons (and others) the creative community centers around Apple products more often than other companies.

I think you're right.




I haven't used one myself, but here is a link to Apple's mice/accessories page, I think they have something that might interest you!
http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APP...=home/shop_mac/mac_accessories/mice_keyboards

Thanks! Very cool! Do you know how to the way scroller works?



I haven't used it, but if you look at Apple products on the average, you could maybe think of Time Capsule as being in it's first generation, and that over time, it will be enhanced to meet the common customer requests and innovate in areas that have yet to be explored.

It looks amazing but I hate the newness of these technologies without a bit of time in real life testing.


Certainly go for as much as you are comfortable spending, what I did with the 8-core purchase was compare the 8 cores at 2.8ghz to the single processor g5 1.9 ghz machine my gf was currently on. The gap between a signle 1.9ghz processor and a machine with 8cores at 2.8ghz is huge, an extra .2ghz is nice but the biggest improvement for us was to simply be on a machine with 8 cores!

Yea I noticed a big difference as well between going from a 1.9ghz DV6700z laptop to a 2.1 ghz laptop with 1 more gb of memory..BIG difference. I hear what youre saying but as far as processor I feel I will have to get the latest and greatest even if it may not entirely be worth it for everything just yet.


I could see a huge huge huge huge huge huge huge photoshop file being happy with 32 gigs of ram(once photoshop on the mac is 64bit). Rendering video/3d and I hear but don't know the facts that it is very helpful for DVD authoring, I think probably converting the movie files down to files for the dvd, similar function for 3d rendering I'm assuming.

and of course, with that kind of RAM available you could open every application at once lol

Hmm very good points to consider. The memory I WILL NOT get from Mac, but I can see how it would benefit these heavy tasks. 32 GBs of ram, thats insane!:)



np! I am happy to help!

Definitely appreciate it!
 
Hello. All this has been covered, but I would like to help if it's still needed.
Since I think you are interested, I started out on PC's, then went to the 1st powerbook, and then a dual G5. I went to this thread because I am beginning to think about the next one.

Forget the details. (I understand a bit about how you think because I think the same way.) As has been stated, reduce the question to the following:
Which of the following will allow me to be most productive? 'Portability' or the 'Most Power existing today'?

That's it.

Some more thoughts.
- Portability is a very useful & convenient aspect.
- I am guessing you are not very experienced with the mac nor the current versions of the applications you intend to use as tools to develop your art. Therefore, the MBP has sufficient power to comfortably run today's software for a few years.
- On the other hand, if for your uses, you know that you do not need or even want portability, then go for more power. The more power will help get an extra lil' bit from your computer.

But know, that if things continue as they have gone the last 4 years, then in 4 more, those laptops will be beyond today's desktops.

So, while being pedantic, an early responder had it right.

Do you want/need/desire portability?

If yes, then your answer is done. Because today's laptop is powerful (from what I read.) And, you have some time to get comfortable with the mac & its apps.

If portability will not help you with productivity (of your art) -- and/or you value having the absolute most power that exists today over portability -- then go for the desktop.

--
Once you truly crossover to mac, you will not care at all what's going on in the pc world. I don't care if the pc world was twice as fast as the mac. I'm settled and pleased here. I'd rather be very comfortable in one world.

By the way, I am currently running Pro Tools LE on my (desktop) dual 2.3 G5. I have run Logic & a bit of DP on it. And, I've hit its limits & I wish I had more cpu power so that I can have the playback buffer set lower while composing with virtual instruments or tracking with fx plug-ins. Whatever. I just know its tech-limits, and I work around it. Remember, people have been doing very fancy things with computers of many years ago, now. (By many, I mean, 4, 6, 7 years ago.) And while I know today's laptop would improve my performance, I am very pleased with my ever aging desktop.


I truly hope this helps.

I believe you've done sufficient research. Now forget all of it, and see if your past experience has shown that a laptop helps or hinders you in being productive for your art. This depends on whether or not you have a dedicated, reliable work space. And this is the only place you do your main work.

And by the way,
go for either one now, and then when you're next ready, & you'll know & feel when that is, get the other (laptop & desktop). & if $ is that tight, then that'll dictate the decision: if you have a good workspace & $ is tight, go for desktop. If you don't have a daily good workspace, & you need to work in lots of place and $ is tight, then go for a laptop.

serve the art
 
Hello. All this has been covered, but I would like to help if it's still needed.
Since I think you are interested, I started out on PC's, then went to the 1st powerbook, and then a dual G5. I went to this thread because I am beginning to think about the next one.

So what have you decided on?


Forget the details. (I understand a bit about how you think because I think the same way.) As has been stated, reduce the question to the following:
Which of the following will allow me to be most productive? 'Portability' or the 'Most Power existing today'?

Isn't this question still reducible to the question of productive in what sense"? That is productive in terms of getting you in front of the PC more on one vs the other, OR more productive in terms of being able to do more. I think that while portability is great and important to me, I would rather have more power and features than anything else because I don't want to be limited or frustrated in what I am trying to do..While the laptop may get me in front of the screen more in more places, I know I'd sit there wishing I had gone with the desktop if I cannot do certain things on the laptop I can do with the desktop.



That's it.

Some more thoughts.
- Portability is a very useful & convenient aspect.
- I am guessing you are not very experienced with the mac nor the current versions of the applications you intend to use as tools to develop your art. Therefore, the MBP has sufficient power to comfortably run today's software for a few years.
- On the other hand, if for your uses, you know that you do not need or even want portability, then go for more power. The more power will help get an extra lil' bit from your computer.

I actually started OUT on Power Macs, went to PCs, and now have longed to go back to Apple for a long time since graduated from college a while back. So while I'm not new to Mac I AM new to the current models features and software. I was saying I hated Vista BUT now with the service pack I haven't really had problems, have liked the refresh rate of it in how it never makes my eyes tired (unlike how it is with XP/bootcamp), and the ability to expand my ram with an SD Card or Flash Drive in the USB slot. Now with these features I may actually stick with Vista over XP. Macs don't have Vista, only XP so that is one strike against it, though other than that I see no other strikes against Apple. These factors among others have lead me to get a PC laptop and the Mac Pro desktop.. Id get the best of both OSs, the best variety of hardware, the best in terms of what technology offers (for one HP has BlueRay while Apple doesn't), and the best in terms of variety of software options. One thing I don't see discussed is how Mac OS X is now available for PCs so I'd love to see what people think of that.

For a laptop HP has many things that a Mac Book doesn't:
The HDX has a 20 inch screen, comes FULL 1080p, has the ability to have 2 320GB (expandable) Hard drives, has BlueRay, has all the ports you could need, has more powerful processor options, more powerful FSB, has HDTV TV Tuner, HDMI out, the most configuration options I have seen with all those things available etc..even Sagers top of the line doesn't have all these things..though 3 hard drives w RAID 0 1 or 5 options is pretty sweet.



But know, that if things continue as they have gone the last 4 years, then in 4 more, those laptops will be beyond today's desktops.

While I have waited a LONG while now, and can stand to a wait a bit more 4 years is entirely out of the question. I need something asap.

Since I can't afford the HDX RIGHT NOW, I will settle for a DV9700t, use it for 21 days, return it or sell it and then get the HDX Lord willing. That's the plan at least.


So, while being pedantic, an early responder had it right.

Do you want/need/desire portability?

If yes, then your answer is done. Because today's laptop is powerful (from what I read.) And, you have some time to get comfortable with the mac & its apps.


Yes it is but not with Mac for now with regards to a laptop. As soon as I can get my hands on either the DV9700t and or the HDX I will be putting Mac OSX on it as well in order to get acquainted with the newest Mac OS.


If portability will not help you with productivity (of your art) -- and/or you value having the absolute most power that exists today over portability -- then go for the desktop.


It helps but is not my biggest priority. I'm selling 2 of my cars so I don't need to go anywhere:) I can pretend I'm going to the movies by watching them on my laptop?:) Lol. I can webcam anyone who needs to talk to me till I get a new car?:) Lol. Maybe I'll get a bike for now??:)


Once you truly crossover to mac, you will not care at all what's going on in the pc world. I don't care if the pc world was twice as fast as the mac. I'm settled and pleased here. I'd rather be very comfortable in one world.

By the way, I am currently running Pro Tools LE on my (desktop) dual 2.3 G5. I have run Logic & a bit of DP on it. And, I've hit its limits & I wish I had more cpu power so that I can have the playback buffer set lower while composing with virtual instruments or tracking with fx plug-ins. Whatever. I just know its tech-limits, and I work around it. Remember, people have been doing very fancy things with computers of many years ago, now. (By many, I mean, 4, 6, 7 years ago.) And while I know today's laptop would improve my performance, I am very pleased with my ever aging desktop.

I can see why you wouldn't care what's going on with PCs as Apples stuff is mesmerizing in terms of beauty as well as intuitive ease of use design in hardware and software. What youre talking about sounds pretty cool though I would have no idea on how to do it. So you do music on it, how would you say Garageband is compared to Protools and Logic if you have fooled around on it?



I truly hope this helps.

I believe you've done sufficient research. Now forget all of it, and see if your past experience has shown that a laptop helps or hinders you in being productive for your art. This depends on whether or not you have a dedicated, reliable work space. And this is the only place you do your main work.

And by the way,
go for either one now, and then when you're next ready, & you'll know & feel when that is, get the other (laptop & desktop). & if $ is that tight, then that'll dictate the decision: if you have a good workspace & $ is tight, go for desktop. If you don't have a daily good workspace, & you need to work in lots of place and $ is tight, then go for a laptop.

serve the art

Yes it does thank you.
 
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OZ

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