could you please elaborate !
you mean the graphics card that comes with the Mac Pro doesnt support windows?
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could you please elaborate !
you mean the graphics card that comes with the Mac Pro doesnt support windows?
could you please elaborate !
you mean the graphics card that comes with the Mac Pro doesnt support windows?
No, the stock Apple graphics cards actually DO support Windows. It's just that a lot of Mac Pro owners that also game under Windows prefer to slap a faster graphics card in the second x16 slot for exclusive use under Windows. But this isn't necessarily a requirement...
Alternatively, the GeForce 8800 GT option from Apple isn't a bad choice to use both under Mac OS and Windows. It has pretty reasonable gaming performance.
The ATI HD3870 Mac & PC edition is also worth considering for a single graphics card solution that will work in both OS X and windows.
Barefeats did a comparison between the 8800 and the 3870.
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Hope this helps.
Barefeats did a comparison between the 8800 and the 3870.
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Gaming
Hope this helps.
The ATI HD3870 Mac & PC edition is also worth considering for a single graphics card solution that will work in both OS X and windows.
Barefeats did a comparison between the 8800 and the 3870.
Core Image
Gaming
Hope this helps.
It's hard to recommend an ATI card right now. If you only use OSX ATI can be a good choice since once Snow Leopard is out you should still get GPU acceleration in non-graphics tasks with an ATI card. But, if you Boot Camp to Windows, you get the better GPU acceleration in non-graphics tasks through nVidia via CUDA. I heard some rumor that ATI was going to adopt CUDA but I've not looked into that. So, as it stands, you get more complete support in both OSs using an nVidia card. Plus, if you do any gaming, nVidia just has better driver support in Windows.
new Mac Pros just around the corner?
hello once again,
I have heard the new mac pros are going to be released soon. In fact, in macrumors.com it says do not buy, will be upgraded soon!
Is it true?
hello once again,
I have heard the new mac pros are going to be released soon. In fact, in macrumors.com it says do not buy, will be upgraded soon!
Is it true?
They will probably be shipping sometime between the middle of January and April.
I'm sorry, but you're wrong here. Mac Pro is probably the best priced brand workstation in the industry. Just go to the Dell store and try to build yourself comparable workstation: it'll cost you 1,5-2 times as much. Mac Pro is amazingly fair priced.
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Based on the Apple sales history -- yes, in most probability. But bear in mind, it's a rumours forum. Nobody knows here nothing for sure.
sash
It does not sound like the OP needs the machine in the first place. I would look out for a cheap used one, or get a different member of the line.
11 years old
Hello people,
the Mac Pro is on hold right now (i have driving test on 29 of November and as soon as i pass (!!) the test i am going to get myself a car, and i am not sure how much it is going to cost, so Mac Pro has taken a back seat for the moment! ), but i have another question! i have a 11 year old, and i wanted to give her a Computer as Christmas present. Obviously she doesn't need a high end computer, she just needs a simple computer that can play games like: Kung Fu Panda, and stuff like that.
My budget is 400 euros!!!!
This desktop computer is supposed to be for this 11 year old, but if i could execute my evil mad scientist experiments on it, it would be a plus!
i was wondering if there was a particular set of machinery that would also let me install some hacked version (for example iAtkos!) of Mac OS 10, beside windows xp (or perhaps even vista), without eating into my car?
i mean i just want to spend 400euros, i already have the monitor, keyboard, mouse and speakers!
Is it possible to get a pc, that play some modern games (doesn't need to be breath taking, the pc should only be able to run modern games, in budget!!!)
thanks in advance for great help you guys put up!
Hello people,
the Mac Pro is on hold right now (i have driving test on 29 of November and as soon as i pass (!!) the test i am going to get myself a car, and i am not sure how much it is going to cost, so Mac Pro has taken a back seat for the moment! ), but i have another question! i have a 11 year old, and i wanted to give her a Computer as Christmas present. Obviously she doesn't need a high end computer, she just needs a simple computer that can play games like: Kung Fu Panda, and stuff like that.
My budget is 400 euros!!!!
This desktop computer is supposed to be for this 11 year old, but if i could execute my evil mad scientist experiments on it, it would be a plus!
i was wondering if there was a particular set of machinery that would also let me install some hacked version (for example iAtkos!) of Mac OS 10, beside windows xp (or perhaps even vista), without eating into my car?
i mean i just want to spend 400euros, i already have the monitor, keyboard, mouse and speakers!
Is it possible to get a pc, that play some modern games (doesn't need to be breath taking, the pc should only be able to run modern games, in budget!!!)
thanks in advance for great help you guys put up!
Hello people,
the Mac Pro is on hold right now (i have driving test on 29 of November and as soon as i pass (!!) the test i am going to get myself a car, and i am not sure how much it is going to cost, so Mac Pro has taken a back seat for the moment! ), but i have another question! i have a 11 year old, and i wanted to give her a Computer as Christmas present. Obviously she doesn't need a high end computer, she just needs a simple computer that can play games like: Kung Fu Panda, and stuff like that.
My budget is 400 euros!!!!
This desktop computer is supposed to be for this 11 year old, but if i could execute my evil mad scientist experiments on it, it would be a plus!
i was wondering if there was a particular set of machinery that would also let me install some hacked version (for example iAtkos!) of Mac OS 10, beside windows xp (or perhaps even vista), without eating into my car?
i mean i just want to spend 400euros, i already have the monitor, keyboard, mouse and speakers!
Is it possible to get a pc, that play some modern games (doesn't need to be breath taking, the pc should only be able to run modern games, in budget!!!)
thanks in advance for great help you guys put up!
Wait for he rumoured updated Mac Mini? Or buy a Dell or build it yourself?
i wanted to build my own, i thought i would more effectively meet the budget and get a tailored computer, that would run Mac OS 10 and windows acceptably well
i have been also flirting with the idea of running windows vista natively and having Mac OS 10 installed on VMWare or any other virtual machine software!
is that possibe?
and again! what main board, what processor, what and how much ram, and what graphics card, should i opt if main purpose is to run games, like Kung Fu Panda and also run Leopard!!!
400 euros limit!
i know it is a challenge, but i have come to believe that you guys here like challenges!
p.s. sorry but mac mini is not an option, i just feel if i pay 400 euros for a computer, i shuold be allowed to do anything with the hardware, i should be able to upgrade the hardware as i will. in this price range i want to have more rights of the product than, say, Mac Pro, where i would just go with the end product!
i have been also flirting with the idea of running windows vista natively and having Mac OS 10 installed on VMWare or any other virtual machine software!
is that possibe?
and again! what main board, what processor, what and how much ram, and what graphics card, should i opt if main purpose is to run games, like Kung Fu Panda and also run Leopard!!!
400 euros limit!
i know it is a challenge, but i have come to believe that you guys here like challenges!
p.s. sorry but mac mini is not an option, i just feel if i pay 400 euros for a computer, i shuold be allowed to do anything with the hardware, i should be able to upgrade the hardware as i will. in this price range i want to have more rights of the product than, say, Mac Pro, where i would just go with the end product!
firstly, i agree that buying third party upgrades is a cheaper option. but theres quite a few things wrong with your Newegg order.
1. The Mac Pro has a 1000W PSU and i wouldnt really trust that Coolermax one. Corsair make some of the best and quietest in the industry.
2. doesnt have dual heatsinks for dual CPUs
3. doesnt have Firewire 400 & 800 or Bluetooth
4. doesnt have iLife '08 which is included with all Macs
5. total doesnt include tax and shipping
then theres the OEM warranty from Apple which covers all the parts which would appeal to consumer customers and professionals looking to get the work done. also these users would probably not want to even go near the process of overclocking and just want a fast, stable machine that doesnt overheat and make a lot of noise.
the grand total comes to $3510 (iLife '08 retail was not available)
heres the Mac Pro with the 8800GT and shipping for the same zip code.
the Homebuilt Mac Pro ends up being about $318 more expensive so i think the Mac Pro is a very good price. also an even better bargain when considering the design, OEM warranty, runs OS X and Windows stable, no hacking and of course… the startup chime!
The Mac Pro you built does not have a Geforce 8800GT. However if you did add it, it would still be cheaper then the newegg order.
That price is retail price. Buying on amazon allows you to dodge taxes and get a nice rebate. Then you can add a Geforce 8800GT, Radeon 3870 or two for crossfire. If your going to do a lot of time on PC, get a GTX 280 or some kind of insane card and hotwire it. It would still be cheaper then what you would be paying to built a Mac Pro.
my point is the Mac Pro is a great buy for a user that takes advantage of all the power whether they be professional or not.
if youre a gamer just buy/build a $1000-$1500 rig and spec it out with graphics cards. you could still install OS X on it but you would have to use an 8800/9800GT or similar as the stock graphics card.
if youre a gamer just buy/build a $1000-$1500 rig and spec it out with graphics cards. you could still install OS X on it but you would have to use an 8800/9800GT or similar as the stock graphics card.
hello peopple i think you are missing the point here. I think i mentioned an 11 year old, A car and it's back seat, 400, Kung fu panda. And a home built computer with leopard (iAtkos) and vista ( or xp), both installed natively.
I think you got of path here, at the moment I am looking for the lowest set of machinery that would run games and also boot in leopard with few or no kernal panics.
I think you got of path here, at the moment I am looking for the lowest set of machinery that would run games and also boot in leopard with few or no kernal panics.
This what really typed :
Hello people,
the Mac Pro is on hold right now (i have driving test on 29 of November and as soon as i pass (!!) the test i am going to get myself a car, and i am not sure how much it is going to cost, so Mac Pro has taken a back seat for the moment! ), but i have another question! i have a 11 year old, and i wanted to give her a Computer as Christmas present. Obviously she doesn't need a high end computer, she just needs a simple computer that can play games like: Kung Fu Panda, and stuff like that.
My budget is 400 euros!!!!
This desktop computer is supposed to be for this 11 year old, but if i could execute my evil mad scientist experiments on it, it would be a plus!
i was wondering if there was a particular set of machinery that would also let me install some hacked version (for example iAtkos!) of Mac OS 10, beside windows xp (or perhaps even vista), without eating into my car?
i mean i just want to spend 400euros, i already have the monitor, keyboard, mouse and speakers!
Is it possible to get a pc, that play some modern games (doesn't need to be breath taking, the pc should only be able to run modern games, in budget!!!)
thanks in advance for great help you guys put up!
firstly, i agree that buying third party upgrades is a cheaper option. but theres quite a few things wrong with your Newegg order.
1. The Mac Pro has a 1000W PSU and i wouldnt really trust that Coolermax one. Corsair make some of the best and quietest in the industry.
2. doesnt have dual heatsinks for dual CPUs
3. doesnt have Firewire 400 & 800 or Bluetooth
4. doesnt have iLife '08 which is included with all Macs
5. total doesnt include tax and shipping
then theres the OEM warranty from Apple which covers all the parts which would appeal to consumer customers and professionals looking to get the work done. also these users would probably not want to even go near the process of overclocking and just want a fast, stable machine that doesnt overheat and make a lot of noise.
the grand total comes to $3510 (iLife '08 retail was not available)
heres the Mac Pro with the 8800GT and shipping for the same zip code.
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the Homebuilt Mac Pro ends up being about $318 more expensive so i think the Mac Pro is a very good price. also an even better bargain when considering the design, OEM warranty, runs OS X and Windows stable, no hacking and of course… the startup chime!
The e5410s overclock to 2.8GHz with the stock cooling included in the standard CPU box. You don't need to add extra cooling. And, certainly, if you're not going to overclock, which is the case you're making, it would be really silly to buy 2 extra heatsinks. They come in those e5440 boxes too. I already stated that if you're not willing to tinker (i.e. overclock and such) you should just buy a Mac. I also have made it pretty clear that using the same CPUs will cost you as much or more than a Mac Pro. This is the whole reason behind buying cheaper CPUs and overclocking. So, it's no surprise to me and should be no surprise to anyone else that using 2 E5440s will increase the cost of a home built machine.
But this is missing the entire point of building your own Hack. The idea is to get identical or better performance at significantly less cost. And this can easily be done. I'll say it again, if you want Apple's warrenty and service then this is not for you. I've been building my own systems for over 10 years now. I've never needed anything more than the standard warranties that come with the individual parts and, while I'm no genius, I've been perfectly capable of servicing my own systems.
However, since I would be willing to tinker, my Hack Pro would perform the same and be significantly cheaper just as I outlined even if I included the shipping cost and iLife. The power supply would have been fine and the Skulltrail motherboard has a built in firewire port.
But now look what you've done. You've added better cooling and you're still using the Skulltrail board and you're using higher clocked CPUs. With that combination you would be able to get those CPUs well over 3.2GHz very easily with no fear of overheating. In fact, the Hack would likely still be cooler than a Mac Pro, which in my experience run very hot. And thus your $3510 investment would perform as good as and likely better than a $4399 investment in a Mac Pro.
Finally, I've already addressed the warranty and service issues several time. I maintain that building a Hack Pro is not for everyone. But, in my case, I know that I could build a machine that would perform better than a similarly configured Mac Pro for significantly less.
And my point is that a Mac Pro is not a great buy for a user that takes advantage of all the power whether they be professional or not if they have the necessary know how and are willing to spend the time (which isn't very much) to do it. That's all.
Than you probably need something like this: http://www.osx86project.org/ .
Yet another link: http://lifehacker.com/348653/install-os-x-on-your-hackintosh-pc-no-hacking-required
@ sneezymarble fair enough
but i would probably just buy the Mac Pro instead of tinkering around with a homebuilt one with similar specs.
but mid ranged and gaming desktops are a completely different story. im thinking of building a Hackintosh with a Core 2 Quad, 8800GT and a Raptor.
but mid ranged and gaming desktops are a completely different story. im thinking of building a Hackintosh with a Core 2 Quad, 8800GT and a Raptor.