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First off… AMD is still around, and considered relevant?

Second… it's already been well-shown that the Mac Pro is cheaper than PC counterparts if you need that class of machine.

...And you get what you pay for: The most compromised full-size dual-Xeon machine out there in terms of actually being a workstation.
 
Is it even possibe to run Windows standalone, without Bootcamp? What about the bios emu?

--Erwin

The BIOS emu is contained within the Mac Pro firmware, not the OS.

You actually don't need any of the Boot Camp software to install Windows, the hardware is already ready to go.
 
i've been searching for this thing all over this country here, but people stare at me like they see water burn, when i ask for it
so, that link comes in very helpful indeed. cheers ;)
Glad it helps. :)

It's the only site I was able to locate for international orders, and a few UK members used it to get one. ATI only seems to sell to the US and Canada. :(

Now order it already! :eek: :D :p
 
Most of the bitching we do doesn't apply in Windows.

Really? I was actually talking about the machine, regardless of the OS it's running - although you could argue that it's even less stable in Windows. The only Vista BSOD's I've seen (from a partially non-BC, 'proper' driver install) for more than 12 months are from the Pros and other Apple hardware (via BC).

As I said, you get what you pay for - the Pro may be cheaper than a similarly configured Dell Precision T7400 for example, but they won't be usable (nor supported - by cheaper, did you include the cost of the inclusive Dell NBD support, let alone the 24/7 4-hour response paid-for uplift in your comparisons?) in the same way - especially in Windows.

EDIT: Actually strictly speaking I tell a lie - I have seen BSOD's on another machine - Vaio TT, which was replaced. The numbers of Pros I have, the number of them we tried BC/DB on, and the number of instabilities encountered would seem to exclude a faulty machine.

It's a very pretty and neat/tidy and comparatively marginally more quiet (at idle) machine inside but that's not necessarily what you want out of the dual-Xeon workstation, unless your needs are so inconsequential as to place those priorities over more actually important attributes like stability, real-world expansion potential, business-critical support, etc. I've said before and I'll say it again - they're high-power home computers in concept and execution. If that's what you want, then great.
 
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