And you also assume that their is no network latency between the independent single core machines. In other words, you've left out the SLOWEST part of cluster work: distributing the data amongst the machines via LAN.
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Mac Pro to Get 6-Core Xeon Gulftown Processor in 2010?
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And you also assume that their is no network latency between the independent single core machines. In other words, you've left out the SLOWEST part of cluster work: distributing the data amongst the machines via LAN.
32nm is pretty new even for intel.
the number produced will be so little, it will be so expensive.
i dun think many people will afford it, if it come to mac pro.
the core i7 in imac is not even a i7,more like i5 that call i7 so that it can sell more chips.
the entry level mac pro can be a faster CPU, that will finish off imac.
the number produced will be so little, it will be so expensive.
i dun think many people will afford it, if it come to mac pro.
the core i7 in imac is not even a i7,more like i5 that call i7 so that it can sell more chips.
the entry level mac pro can be a faster CPU, that will finish off imac.
HardMac reports that Polish website PCLab prematurely leaked performance numbers on Intel's upcoming Xeon Gulftown (Core i9). The results have since been pulled but is summarized by HardMac:According to their sources, Apple is planning on using the Gulftown processor in a future Mac Pro revision due in early 2010. When placed in a dual-processor configuration, this would give the Mac Pro 12 physical and 24 logical cores. Such massively multi-core designs have been expected for some time with under-the-hood changes in Snow Leopard specifically preparing for such a possibility.
The use of the high-end Gulftown processor in the Mac Pros make more sense now that we've seen Apple using the Core i7 processors in the iMacs. Benchmarks have shown that the performance of these high-end iMac rivals that of the entry level Mac Pros which cost considerably more. The use of Gulftown would presumably reestablish a larger performance gap between Apple's consumer and professional desktop computers.
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I thought the Creative Suite (CS4, anyway) addresses 3GB of RAM and 2 cores per application.
Which blows, of course, but that's the limit for all 32-bit applications.
As badly as I want a new computer, I spend all my working time in the Creative Suite, so until CS5 is out (or at least on the horizon), I have no major reason to replace my G5.
Mathematica supports 4 kernels on 4 cores in standard form and GridMathematica can be licensed to as many as you like. I run 8 kernels on an "obsolete" 8-core 08 Pro and easily get 6x performance and sometimes >7x, depending on how easily parallelized the sums are. These numbers scale quite well to multiple machines, as long as you do not move a lot of data around.Now all we need are apps that utilize the full power of all these silly cores.
Have you used Handbrake on a Mac Pro? It's one of the few apps that actually uses all my cores, at about 80-90%. Handbrake runs incredibly on multi-core.
It's called an iMac. The 27" i7 iMac is just a tad over $2 K, but includes a nice monitor.
You really might want to stick to a subject you understand something about. The big difference between i5 and i7 is that the i7 offers 2 logical cores per core. The i7 in the iMac does that, so it's a real i7.
As for the price, you'd think people would learn to stop speculating about price on systems that have not even been announced, much less released. Historically, the Mac Pro has fallen within a specific price range - even when it was one of the first ones using a given processor. The first nephalem Macs were within the same price range even though the chips were fairly scarce at the time, so there's no reason to think the first Gulftowns will be any different.
I am holding out for 16 cores
My business is video editing and webpage design (which means I really upload stupid youtube videos and myspace design LOL)
My business is video editing and webpage design
(which means I really upload stupid youtube videos and myspace design LOL)The usefulness of Gulftown will definitely only be for those who can use more than the 8 cores in existing Gainestown Mac Pros. The PCLab review of Gulftown and other comparisons of Westmere processors have shown that unlike the Merom to Penryn Tick-Tock transistion, Westmere doesn't bring clock-for-clock performance increases over Nehalem, except in cryptographic situations that have been coded to take advantage of the new AES instructions.
I wonder if Apple will cancel the single socket Mac Pro version now that the iMac can fit quad cores. A single socket 6-core Mac Pro would be distinct from a quad core iMac, but I always thought it was great that the Mac Pro was distinct as a premium product by being dual processor.
If Apple and nVidia are still on good relations, I'm guessing Apple will wait for nVidia's GT300 Fermi GPUs to arrive. While ATI's HD5800 series have excellent graphics performance, Fermi is supposed to be very well optimized for compute operations in addition to graphics. Certainly a 12-core Mac Pro with a top-end (no doubt still single GPU) GT300 Fermi GPU would be a number crunching monster with OpenCL and Grand Central.
I wonder if Apple will cancel the single socket Mac Pro version now that the iMac can fit quad cores. A single socket 6-core Mac Pro would be distinct from a quad core iMac, but I always thought it was great that the Mac Pro was distinct as a premium product by being dual processor.
If Apple and nVidia are still on good relations, I'm guessing Apple will wait for nVidia's GT300 Fermi GPUs to arrive. While ATI's HD5800 series have excellent graphics performance, Fermi is supposed to be very well optimized for compute operations in addition to graphics. Certainly a 12-core Mac Pro with a top-end (no doubt still single GPU) GT300 Fermi GPU would be a number crunching monster with OpenCL and Grand Central.
You've pretty much nailed it. Westmere brings in 32nm and the AES hardware support on chip and not much else.
If you already have a Nehalem Xeon or Lynnfield, you're good for some time. Gulftown is an upgrade if you live or die on core scaling. Then again that's a business expense.
You're not going to see a mainstream 6-core processor unless you're on AMD with Thuban.
Multicore is definitely more available in the professional world, as that's where most of the heavy lifting gets done. Nearly everything I use takes advantage of multicore. Other than gaming, what more are you expecting? Maybe msn and mail using multicore? hehe.
Companies seem to be on the multicore bandwagon... the real objective right now is getting everything 64bit.
I use these apps, and I'm VERY happy that they all use multicore.
Avid Media Composer
Visual Hub
Handbrake
Sorenson Squeeze
Cinema 4D
After Effects (When Multiprocessor is turned on)
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Sorry, I think I misread the original post, I was in a hurry. But yes I have used handbrake a couple times (on my 8core), tho I don't have much use for it at this time. And blender takes advantage of all 8 while rendering, but I'm not sure about while just building. I don't think so tho.
Sorry, I think I misread the original post, I was in a hurry. But yes I have used handbrake a couple times (on my 8core), tho I don't have much use for it at this time. And blender takes advantage of all 8 while rendering, but I'm not sure about while just building. I don't think so tho.
I have absolutely no need for a headless Mac mini tower, nor a matte Cinema Display ( I already have one
Moral of the story is: speak for yourself. Apple seems to be doing just fine without headless towers, matte displays, netbooks, and smartphones with "real" keyboards.
Uh, he did speak for himself.
And for many others, btw.
Moral of the story: Just because you don't want it and and the insufferably arrogant Apple doesn't offer it, doesn't mean you have to jump all over people who voice their opinion.
This is all very nice and all. But as someone said before - the gap between laptops and MacPros are getting a bit too wide for my liking. Surely a MB should be the lesser iMac, and MBP should be a lesser Mac Pro but still faster than an iMac?
I sure hope that i7 instead of i5 is used in the next gen MBP. The graphics will be a let down though given NVIDIA is locked out of intel Nehelam platform out atm....
I sure hope that i7 instead of i5 is used in the next gen MBP. The graphics will be a let down though given NVIDIA is locked out of intel Nehelam platform out atm....
Hopefully it will be a bit better than a GT130 or a 4870.
Agreed. It's way past time Apple got "cutting edge" with their GPUs.
The way they always trail the PC market in GPU offerings is embarrassing.
Moral of the story: Just because you don't want it and and the insufferably arrogant Apple doesn't offer it, doesn't mean you have to jump all over people who voice their opinion.
What makes this business decision "insufferably arrogant" exactly? Apple (a business) decided they aren't interested in producing a mid-range tower. I'm sure they have a valid rationale behind this decision (beyond "pissing our customers off"). We may not like it (I certainly don't), but it's irrational to call such a decision "arrogant."
Though much of the anti-Apple rage you read on these forums falls squarely into the "irrational" category, so it's not surprising.
A laptop is about mobility and not power. What is the need of an i7 in a big ugly case and 45 min of battery life? Oh, it exists but they call it a Dell. I have seen them and when you sit in the library and try to concentrate, you could kill it's owner because the fan is constantly blowing like a helicopter. Then you look at it's display and see what the owner is doing. Well, he is writing a letter in Word...
I prefer the way Apple is heading. Nice mobile computers (MacBook / MacBook Pro) that are portable, have 7-8 hours of battery life, a bloody fast SSD drive that is robust. A C2D is enough for 90% of the people using them.
so you're saying a 13" MBP should be more powerful than an i7 8GB 2TB 27inch iMac... 17inch might see that.... ages away, laptops should never be more powerful than desktops, if you need processing power pick a desktop!!!
Those who were thinking that the switch to intel would bring the prices down and the speeds up were and are dead wrong. Although the prices did go down for Apple but not for costumers. As for the speeds (a lot for complaining the the G5 could not hit the 3GhZ barrier) check this out and complain: http://www-03.ibm.com/systems/power/hardware/595/specs.html. Apple has turned into a greedy company that cares the least for those that kept it afloat, the professionals. They killed Shake, Livetype, left Color crippled and worked nothing in the past two years on the FCS apps. Time to switch to a company that makes computers and not shinny toys.
Now all we need are apps that utilize the full power of all these silly cores.
Solitaire and Minesweeper?
hmm..Please someone enlighten me. Just wondering about the article. What did it mean by dual processor setup would bring 12 physical cores and 24(~!) logical cores? Dual 6 cores i9 is 12 cores. And how can it doubled to 24 logical cores?
So 1 core contain 2 "logical" cores?