Mac Pro waiting on new Thunderbolt?

Discussion in 'Mac Pro' started by wisty, Apr 9, 2012.

  1. wisty macrumors regular

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    OK, Intel seems to be slipping on Cactus Ridge thunderbolt. Cactus Ridge should be out anytime soon, has 4 channels (rather than 1 like the MBA, or 2 like the iMac), and may be cheaper.

    If the new Mac Pros exist, and are specced to have Cactus Ridge, could that explain the holdup?
     
  2. flatfoot, Apr 9, 2012
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    flatfoot macrumors 65816

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    *sigh*

    The holdup is due to the CPUs not being readily available or having to be tested in potential prototypes.
     
  3. Cindori macrumors 68040

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    cpu's are available for PC workstations already no?

    and one would think that Apple get CPU for prototypes well before consumers get them
     
  4. paulrbeers macrumors 68040

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    Not in mass quantities. Show me a major PC Vendor shipping Workstations with the Sandy Bridge ES processors....
     
  5. flatfoot macrumors 65816

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    Yeah, grammar, punctuation, and uppercase letters are clearly overrated... :rolleyes:

    In 2010 (or was it 2009?) it took Apple about one month to release the new Mac Pro after the CPUs had been out. Why should it be any different now?

    It's still a good idea to run some final tests with the final product.
     
  6. wallysb01 macrumors 65816

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    If you can buy them on Newegg, which you can, you can bet Apple has some and have had some for a long time, so long as a new mac pro is actually in works.
     
  7. Jst0rm macrumors regular

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    But neither dell or hp are shipping workstations yet. That is your canary in the coal mine.
     
  8. GermanyChris macrumors 601

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    He's not a native English speaker, I believe he's Finnish. How's your Finnish?
     
  9. wallysb01 macrumors 65816

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    Right, once someone else starts shipping workstations with SB-E5 we can say Apple is behind, but until then ...
     
  10. flatfoot macrumors 65816

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    I'm not a native English speaker either.

    English is the lingua franca of the internet. Finnish is not.

    By the way, I wasn't actually questioning his ability to use the language but mainly his (and many other's) laziness when it comes to shift-keys, periods and commas.

    EDIT: Another side-note: He's Swedish.
     
  11. GermanyChris macrumors 601

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    Provided you're on a .com

    So why comment at all if it was general gripe?
     
  12. xgman macrumors 601

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    and then people will find another excuse to claim Apple is not behind.
     
  13. Apple Corps macrumors 68030

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    You may want to read the Forum Rules - Minor Problems. It concerns NOT correcting grammar / spelling / etc. unless it causes confusion.

    Perhaps a different type of "laziness" that you have :eek:
     
  14. linuxcooldude macrumors 68020

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    It should be obvious, Intel was way late putting out new processor, in turn that made Apple late putting out their new Mac Pro. Not exactly rocket science. Cause and effect, a domino effect.
     
  15. Peace macrumors Core

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    This is almost becoming as fun as the "where are the Powerbook G5's."
     
  16. paulrbeers macrumors 68040

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    Again, no other major manufacturer is releasing work stations right?!?! Newegg doesn't sell the quantity of Work Station Processors that Apple/HP/Dell/Etc. sell. Most businesses that buy work stations (and these are work station processors) aren't buying parts and "rolling their own"... They have huge contracts with PC manufacturers so that they get volume discounts and FULL warranties (you don't get that when you build your own). So again, just because Newegg can get a hold of a case of processors, doesn't mean PC Manufacturers are able to get 1000's of cases of processors that they need in order to release a product in the mass quantities they want.

    Further, yes Apple probably has had engineering samples for awhile for testing but again, having a handful of processors isn't going to fill the need for the Mac Pro orders....
     
  17. codymac macrumors 6502

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    Min svenska blir bättre.

    Wallander re-runs (seriously, I only had to look up one word for that!).
    ;)
     
  18. wallysb01 macrumors 65816

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    This is all I was speaking of, sorry if there was any confusion. From what I remember reading, at launch intel was only shipping in the 10's of thousands of units. So yes, for a place like newegg, that's fine. For Dell or Apple, not so much.
     
  19. MovieCutter macrumors 68040

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    You actually think Apple sells more than 10's of thousands of $3k+ Mac towers a quarter? [​IMG]
     
  20. deconstruct60 macrumors 604

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    Cactus Ridge has the same number of channels as Light Ridge (what is used in most Mac now): 4. This is another technical marketing squishy point that Intel has brought up. The "Channels" come in paired in sockets.
    So 4 means can have two sockets (like upper end iMacs.). Two means a single socket (like MBA).

    http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news...lt-controller-could-broaden-reach-of-spec.ars

    Cactus ridge will be a available in larger volumes (since smaller) and likely a bit cheaper ( since smaller and higher volumes ). Aggregate TB bandwidth is still capped at same limits that current versions.

    The only thing "new" coming is "Port Ridge" which only has one. (Implicitly that means it won't carry video which should be non-confusing if solely used as a "chain-ender" data device. )


    Personally, I doubt Intel would let system vendors put Port Ridge on a person computer device. It promotes user confusion when it won't do video.
    However, that is only delayed TB chipset that poses a problem. Given the Mac Pro were probably designed to release last Fall (along with the rest of the huge delayed 2011 motherboard designs) it quite unlikely Apple pegged its released to a chip that wouldn't come out until 6 months later. If the Mac Pro is hung up it is on stuff that was "roadmapped" for Fall Xeon E5's , PCIe-v3.0 GPUs , etc. that has slipped may many months.


    Not likely since the Mac Pro price point could absorb the costs of even the original LightRidge controller without much of a hiccup.

    It is questionable whether there will be TB on the Mac Pro (MP already has PCI-e expansion and multiple display connectors). If not present it would be a complete non issue.
     
  21. wallysb01 macrumors 65816

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    Uh? Before I explain this to you based on my assumption of what your sarcasm means, do please clarify what you're saying and what you think I'm saying.
     
  22. Jst0rm macrumors regular

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    That's not true. Free thinking humans will understand that apple is behind if dell and hp are shipping workstations. Thats how adults think. Children think apple is behind already.
     
  23. wallysb01 macrumors 65816

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    Interesting news, but the estimated ship date is the 19th on those, plus they make the point of putting this nice little disclaimer on it:

    3 HP is not responsible for delays outside of our immediate control, including delays related to order processing or unexpected increase in demand. Typically only orders paid for by credit card receive credit approval on the same day the order is placed. Orders delayed due to order processing will default to an Estimated Ship Date 30 days from the date credit is processed and the order is released. Estimated Ship Dates are based on any known extended lead times.
     
  24. goMac macrumors 603

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    The 10s of thousands range is actually pretty reasonable. Apple sells 4.89 million Macs a quarter. Only %1 of those being Mac Pros would still be 50k a quarter.

    I'd have to be feeling pretty good to take it anywhere above 100k though.
     

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