Sidebar Sidebar
Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.

MAC STORES SHOULD BE EVERYWHERE!

Why seven in California

Hi.. I'm originally from the midwest too...

But there's more people in Southern California than Ohio and Indiana put together.

Seven in`califonria because

1. 85% of all Hollywood films and comemrcials are edited on Avid Systems (the majority of the film systems being macs)

2. There's a lot of money and a lot of users.

3. California is crwaling with grafx pros, and they use a lot of macs.

4. Do you see a lot of other high end boutiques in your areas.

-Rich
 
Apple stores in every state ?
Perhaps.
or
Perhaps not.
That would be a venture/investment for apple. The stores in CA were probably profitable from day one. Thats the reason for putting them there.

More stores is not the answer. We have a Circiut City, Best Buy etc etc in my city, and an apple store here would be destined to close. Part of that is because of marketing.
Apples' marketing says "different" but unfortunately people see that as "wont suit my needs kind of different" or "major change kind of different" and more stores will not solve that problem. While in theory having more stores will allow more people to "see" what apple is all about, the fact is it will cost apple a lot of money and they will probably never see the return for it.

Apple is in a very unique businesss situation that is worthy of serious study and examination.

Apple looks at where they sell a lot of machines and put stores there. Simple numbers. Safe investing. And in the position they are in, that is all they should do.
 
Sorry guys, I have to admit Im on a biased rant. I love California, please dont get me wrong, and am moving there after collge to pursue 3D animation work. (thats my major in college)

But I doubt that there are more than three times as many people in southern Cali than ohio and Indiana put together. (7 stores in Cali to 2 in Ohio).

1. Right! So why advertise there??
2. There is plenty of money here, and there needs to be more users. So get us some stores! People dont use the internet to shop much here. Its that 'scary' new thing.
3. I agree, but I work in an ad agency while going to school, and all we use are macs too.
4. Yes. In my area alone, we have the two largest malls in Indiana (within a 15 minute drive of each other) with many high-end stores. We dont have Armani, but mid-range high end stores like Von Maur, etc.
 
Hey,

I agree with EVERYTHING you all are saying, but I guess Im just curious to see what kind of response people would have if an Apple Store was in our mall(s). I just have the gut feeling that people would be in and out of there checking stuff out. People just dont know Apple here.
 
do you want to save time

stay out of northern california if you are a graphics pro...they came pouring in from around the world to make their fortunes as web designers and now there are tons of degreed and certified high end pros out there with no work...apparently, everyone in san jose decided en masse not to have e-businesses out of their homes with matching websites after the crash

...though at one time, there were something like 37 millionaires being made each month in silicon valley but that was before the bubble burst leaving all these web designers and graphics professionals scratching their heads

...we had graphics pros from the east coast, the midwest, the south, india, china, japan, england, germany, etc...everywhere you turn in the local coffee shop where the unemployed hang out, you will meet another graphic designer and many are techies who got tired of simply fixing machines and wanted to get creative so you got a generation of engineers who are also graphic designers not to mention the huge fine arts community of starving artists who turned to computer art to try to make a living

and northern california, especially san francisco, is a haven for clothing designers, hair care professionals, interior designers, and graphic designers...in other words, it is one of the main careers of the very successful gay community in the city that invented multimedia in the section known as multimedia gulch

unless you know you are the best in the field, why come to an area already flooded with too many designers with no work

now southern california is the advertising capital and movie capital of the west coast and there are many times more people in southern california so there are more jobs and there are not the flood of thousands of web and graphics designers left over from the dot.com revolution in the southland

northern california is prettier than southern california and san francisco is a great place to live so you would have to choose in quality of life which northern california gives (except for the silicon valley) or the big bucks that a graphics pro can make in LA

for 3D, the west is the best and as you know for 2D graphic design, new york is the place to be...but unless you have a pressing need to come to northern california, stick to where the money is (LA and NY)

ps - sorry for getting off the mac stores topic but i am the procrastinating off topic long winded hatman who is self employed with two businesses on the road but never far from a computer online to i can dash into the library, make a post, and dash out and forget to log out like an idiot

[Edited by jefhatfield on 12-18-2001 at 03:18 PM]
 
Woah!!

Calm down Hatfield! No need to worry about another starry-eyed wanna-be web designer movin to Cali with no brain. (I think you've already had this discussion with me before)

Im a 3D ANIMATION major--in other words, Pixar, Dreamworks, ILM, etc. No web designing going on here, well except what I do here at work, that is. And all the 3D stuff is Unix/proprietary software/Maya. And Im not going to hop on a bus and hope for a job. These studios send recruiters to our school every semester and check out our portfolios and resumes. If they like what they see, we go through the proper system and after gaining rightful employment with a large, financially stable studio, we pack it up and move. And its all in the Bay area, even though LA is way warmer and prettier, which I would much rather enjoy.

Anyway, no need for the geography lesson, but thanks for lookin' out. I know you meant well, and Im sure its frustrating to hear about 'new talent' trying to make it big in silicon valley. Im not in it for the money, I just love to make things move.

 
mostly, i was only trying to help

the starry eyed fortune hunter people started coming to northern california after the dot.com revolution and for the first time, we felt what the southern california crowd had with every waiter or waitress coming to LA trying to make it as an actor

if northern california is where 3D is at more than LA, that is news to me but any attempts to make northern califrnia a second hollywood was killed by the local community who did not want the glitzy hollywood open silk shirts running around in their neighborhood

my 3D friends all want to bolt from here and go to LA and work for disney, mgm, or someone like that...one of my fiends got involved as a 3D guy with disney

we in northern california generally dislike everything that southern califrnia is about, and that includes movies...steve jobs himself avoids southern california like the plague

maybe there are some good 3D houses scattered throughout the northland, but to me it still sounds like a needle in a haystack...i used to work for autodesk and lived one block away from ilm in the "canal" and it isn't what you think it is

visit those places first and decide for yourself and visit southern california and then make your decision...there is nothing like living in the region to let you know what the real situation is

i used to be a musician and my dream growing up in northern california was to move to southern california and become a rockstar...but a few months in southern california with the smog and congestion changed my viewpoint very quickly...i was only 21 at the time and i lived only on dreams and on campus and that was the extent of my experience outside my own home

if you have a good talent, then we can use you because right now, northern california is flooded with a lot of fake computer people and computer artists and they are hard to distingish from the real techies...i blame it all on the dot.com thing and in a way, thank god it is over

[Edited by jefhatfield on 12-18-2001 at 12:17 PM]
 
ha ha ha...

agreenster...

U kill me! But I think u are right in some aspects. California is a huge commerce in itself, very expensive to live, a whole lot going on there...why do u think Silicon Valley is out there?!

But the fact that CA does have 7 Apple stores and there are none here in the south does bug me. I know so many people who are Macintosh users here who would love to be able to go to the local Apple store rather than deal with Comp USA or the tiny Computer Shoppe. I have bought all of my Macintosh products from a good friend who is an Apple Reseller out of his home, but it would be nice to be able to test drive all the newest stuff firsthand rather than hear about it from him.
 
indiana, ohio, and california

apple stores should be everywhere...that is a given

indiana has 6.1 million people, ohio has 11.4 million people, and california has 33.9 million people (2002 world almanac) with more than two thirds in southern california and with the illegal immigrants, maybe 25+ million people

from the oregon border alone to santa barbara, california has as many people as indiana

even though that is the case, apple computers are helpful for all people whether they live in cupertino or live in sand city
 
:)

Maybe we should switch your name to 'justthefacts!' ha ha

Hey, I know Im killing all of you, but I already admitted up front that I had a biased view. I just want an Apple store, thats all.

Anyway, about the whole Northern Cali thing. I know people dont like 'industry' people (meaning movie makers) but thats not exactly what 3D animators are all about. We are educated, intelligent, non-flakes, with intense Unix ability, and a good eye for style. Just what Northern California is known for. And if Jobs is trying to avoid all of that like the plague, then maybe he should cuts ties with the company I want to work for -Pixar. And yes, the vast majority of 3D studios (not post houses) are in the bay area, not LA. They are trying to avoid the foofoo as much as the SiliValley people are.

And to answer your question about talent, I wont move anywhere until I have a contract signed, so if I come out there, it will be because someone else says Im talented, not me.
 
steve jobs only has a lip service connection to pixar...while being the marketing genius of his time, he knows he is not a movie maker and he leaves the movies, operations, and finances to the people who know the business

he owns one share of apple (though has the option to buy stock if he wants to at a reduced price) and gets paid one dollar a year because he can afford it...steve jobs is worth hundreds of millions from next and especially pixar so apple is his hobby, his passion and at least if the apple board tried to kick him out this time, they couldn't do it on the basis that steve's salary is too high...and the other steve, wozniak, he gets paid a thousand a month and he is not huge expense for apple either so no one will boot him as an apple inc advisor

so in a way, the two great steves are virutally untouchable

hey, agreenster, if you want someone to give you a tour of the silicon valley, i will be more than happy to show you around...there are some cool restaurants right next to adobe in san jose and apple is fifteen minutes up the road and if you want to see a real apple store, not the one at apple, but the one accross the street called elite computers, now that is a store and the nation's every best (wozniak comes in there often) elite computers is literally accrss the street from apple's headquarters at one infinite loop in cupertino, CA

my wife is a graphic designer and we always say hello to the adobe skyscraper when we pass is since it is the second biggest landmark in silicon valley next to the gigantic hilton

 
How Polite!

I dont know you very well yet Hatfield, but you seem like a very polite person! What a kind offer. Unfortunately, I have work to attend to here (in hoosierville), and my last semester in college after that. Then, maybe, if I luckily make it with the big boys, I can swing up and check out silicon valley. Until then, I think Ill soak up my knowledge from the 500+ MacRumor pro, Mr. Hatfield. :)

But to clear some things up, when I refer to Northern Cali, I also include San Rafael, Emeryville, and Palo Alto, because thats where ILM, Pixar, and PDI/Dreamworks are, respectfully.

And yes, the Woz is a very interesting person, and Jobs is amazingly rich. He is Pixar's CEO, right? Pixar just rakes in the money with their RenderMan liscenses. Can you believe that Jobs started Pixar with the Computer Effects team from ILM, who is now their major competition? I find that amazing. If that aint brilliant, I dont know what is.

Apple computer is a hobby? Never thought of it like that before. Kinda puts all of our discussions into perspective, doesnt it?

Anyway, I think we agree in a lot of things-

[Edited by agreenster on 12-18-2001 at 01:43 PM]
 
i am not that knowledgeable on macs

i know pcs because that is my business which i deal with all the time but i only know mac on a user level and if someone ripped up a mac in front of me and told me to put it together, like in techie school, i would be completely lost

and programming in mac, i have no idea whatsoever

there have been many debates here on macrumors whether the tibook could do high end graphics stuff and since you have one, is it capable of doing everything graphically that you need?

maybe i will replace my wife's ibook with a tibook once i finally get grad school paid off (which may take some time though)

we actually replaced our capable powermac clone desktop with the ibook in my wife's freelance studio in our apartment and it seems to handle photoshop, illustrator, and pagemaker fairly well...it's just that a tibook benches so well and the latest macworld article concerning laptops makes the tibook look really good
 
Im Happy

I am pleased with the performance I get from my Powerbook regarding Illustrator, Photoshop, Flash, even Final Cut Pro. (and other typical Deskop Publishing software.) When using Cinema4D (3D software package), however I have problems with rendertime, but that is a software issue more than anything. I mean, even Pixar's best computers can oftentimes take 90 hours to render ONE frame of animation. But Cinema4D is more for lower end pro users, and not Pixar people who write their own.

But let me just say, that an honest opinion about the Powerbook is this: I see just as good performance on the powerbook as I do the desktop, but they get hot. And I mean......HOT hot. Especially when doing processor intensive stuff.

But, still, I wouldnt trade it for anytthing because I think it perfroms better than any other laptop, and some desktops. Even my friends high-end Win Book- Its a 1. something gHz, and it doesnt even compare in speed of photoshop, and Unreal Tournament. (we game around every now and then, kicking the tires on both systems)

Anyway, I do recommend the TiBook. For portable power, its second to none. I feel like I get just as much work done away from home as I do at home. Its a beautiful thing.
 
i completely agree with you, i live in ontario ,and there's no mac store, well... some but they're too small and they're keeping old stock. i hope that apple will bring their Apple store here in Canada. Fo those in US, you are so lucky to have the chance to go there.

 
road trip

Any idea just how far away you are from one of these stores? I'd say take some time off and head down with some money and go to one of the stores in the states. It was quite a thrill to go on openning day..

he he.. i'm actually right now wearing the free t-shirt that they gave me when I went..
 
ABSOLUTELY...

I live in Switzerland. I like it but its like the least famous country in the world and frikken small. Do u guys know where it is?

Apple dozn't!!! Otherwize they would build one of thoze fancy APPLE STORES here!!!

I STILL LOVE APPLE THO!!!!
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Register on MacRumors! This sidebar will go away, and you'll see fewer ads.
Top Bottom
Back