They pretty much always have. They overcharged for spindle disks too.
The M1 should've debuted with a minimum of 16 GB.
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The M1 should've debuted with a minimum of 16 GB.
I was going to reply with something to the same effect.
My partner once had a client who’s data could not be persisted to disk… that’s how paranoid the client was.
I hate "the cloud" concept. Personally, the people who buy those cheap little Chromebooks where most everything is on a Google server are insane. I have my own "home cloud". It's called a Mac Mini with a stack of RAID disks.... and that's just for home. For work, no way. No way at all....
This is the best summary of this.
Apple simply isn’t doing things in the interest of the customer much anymore.
A publically-traded corporation does things in interest of shareholders, not their customers. If an action benefits the customers, it's to benefit the bottom line first and foremost. Everything else is marketing (like the lady throwing the hammer at Big Brother IBM in an old Apple ad). So, if you're willing to pay their upcharge for storage and RAM, go for it. If not, they have competition. Especially if you aren't locked in to MacOS.
There’s a balance there.
They have skewed too far to one end of it (to me), unfortunately
Doing everything to benefit shareholders is neoliberal dreck that is destroying the planet.
For a normal company, that could be a problem.
For Apple? Not sure about that. Been a running joke for decades now: iBox
Remember the "switch" commercials where they made fun of the very people they wanted to switch from Windows? Most companies don't advertise by belittling their desired new customers, but it worked for Apple.
Only an Apple shareholder would ever dare say this.
Having known for quite some time that right to repair legislation could pass, I’m not surprised Apple still ships power supplies without covers whilst also preparing their machines to indeed be more serviceable in other areas. Safety is the only real argument Apple can make, but that argument is a weak one.
If pertaining to the easily replaceable modular SSD in a Pro class machine, they are smart. SSDs wear out. They learned from the M1 Mac Mini Debacle.
If, by chance, Right to Repair becomes the law of the land, if I were Apple I would rather sell replacement SSDs in a $2K machine over selling a Logic Board with them soldered. This machine costs a bit more tan an M1 MacBook Air.
If Apple were to offer a Logic Board Module with a soldered SSD for sale to a user to replace the dead SSD soldered on their original board, imagine keeping a manufacturing line in place for 7 full years while a device is in supported/vintage status. Currently this happens with a caveat, as Apple controls these parts, sees to it tgey get returned, and Apple refurbishes these parts. There’s nothing that holds an end user to the same restrictions, except maybe loss of a core charge fee.
Fair Repair Act of 2022 has broad, bipartisan support and was introduced last week for debate in the Senate… much to the chagrin of Apple, who uses the same tactics as ever to dissuade Congress from passing this bill.
But it is Apple who designs these parts, these machines. Apple creates Apple Service Training modules to be used to train people who have no experience repairing computers.
These issues over safety are manufactured issues by Apple to try and give some alternative reason for being Anti right to repair.
Its profitable to be in control of the ease of which a user has options in repairing their Mac: if repair time is as predictable as buying a new Mac for delivery same day, that cuts into Apple’s profit margins. Many users cannot afford downtime, so they rather replace the machine then wait an unknown amount of time for a repair.
Cost also plays into this. If the repair cost is actually reasonable, that cost is now upfront. As it stands today, one would have to find out at the Genius Bar that a Left I/O board was a cheap repair on an older MacBook Pro (versus a Logic Board.)
If I can troubleshoot, receive parts, do a repair myself, that turnaround time is on me. I also now won’t need a new Mac, and upfront I now know what the repair actually costs.
Creating a culture of empowerment to do these repairs, only empowers a lot more people to do repairs on their own. They will also empower others to complete their own repairs too, maybe even help them if the person needing a repair feels less confident in how to do them.
Exactly!
My washer stopped agitating. I’ve never repaired a washer before, but It can’t be that difficult right?
Indeed, by watching a few videos on YouTube, I figured that it must be my washer motor coupler. So I ordered one on eBay. When it came, I followed the same videos to repair the part that broke.
Having never done that before, I can say that I successfully repaired the Washing Machine like new; have a never repaired an appliance before. It took me about half an hour to learn and a half hour to do; less time then it would take for me to be inconvenienced by waiting on a washer repairman or take tine out of my day to go to a Best Buy to buy a new washer.
Yes, things that easy with the right design; And design doesn’t always have to be terrible if it’s easy to repair.
Things are generally repairable easily. This is what the repair world doesn’t want you to know. It costs a lot of money to maintain and service a design that’s not repairable easily.
Will there actually be upgrades available?
My 2015 MacBook Pro has an SSD that you can upgrade with the same process - but all of the "upgrades" were significantly slower than the OEM SSD (which you couldn't buy) until about 2020. And of course by then I wasn't willing to spend money on the upgrade.
Also, the upgrades were overpriced. I ended up just getting an SD card that was small and didn't stick out.
My 2015 MacBook Pro has an SSD that you can upgrade with the same process - but all of the "upgrades" were significantly slower than the OEM SSD (which you couldn't buy) until about 2020. And of course by then I wasn't willing to spend money on the upgrade.
Also, the upgrades were overpriced. I ended up just getting an SD card that was small and didn't stick out.
That's fine for a desktop, but super annoying for a portable laptop. Non-upgradeable SSD/RAM is nothing but a greedy money grab from Apple and all the other manufacturers who copy this rort.
Yup its a huge difference working with data on an internal high speed drive, and then leaving the rest to near line ie NAS storage.
That wasn’t a case of “coffee hot, woman hurt, let’s sue.” My wife studied the case in grad school. That particular McDonald’s brewed its coffee WELL above the temperature it was supposed to be brewed. Like “melt the skin off your bones on contact” hot. Despite numerous complaints, they continued doing it. That’s why they were sued. The woman’s pants melted into her leg and scalded her. Now all McDonald’s coffee machines have a regulated temperature.
Not related to the topic here, but wanted to just share that info since so many people don’t understand what that case was really about.
I don't think any laptop around has upgradeable internals to 70 TB. My two laptops connect to my NAS just fine.
My point still stands. Nobody died yet McDonalds got in trouble. If Apple said "Sure upgrade the SSD yourself" and someone got shocked, there would be trouble.
People have been upgrading Mac Minis with built in power supplies for years. Folks have disassembled their iMacs to replace failed hard drives with SSDs, etc for years. You don't hear about people dying or getting the daylights shocked out of them. I wonder why..?
The only problem with that is you need to also have off site backups to be fully protected.
You really aren't protected giving everything to some cloud provider.
Better to do your own backups.
Not debating that but they should be distributed at different locations such as in a safety deposit box at a bank in case the primary site has some catastrophe like a fire befall it.
That is on them then. But Apple clearly labeling it is not user upgradeable, and people get shocked by touching exposed power supplies, they would be covered more so than if Apple says "Go for it, it is upgradeable!!!!"
I don't get this. Apple has their own flash controller on the M1.
Is the claim that
- a stick of controller-free flash (which is generally only sold to data warehouses; normal sticks come with a controller) will work and
- that Apple communicates with this stick via absolutely standard protocols, presumably NVMe?
If you look at an M1 device (at least an MBA) in System Report it will say that the SSD is connected via Apple Fabric, NOT via NVMe. Which suggests that Apple does nots speak the SSD protocol spoken by most SSD sticks.
What I'm seeing is that MECHANICALLY Apple's SSD matches a standard size. But that means *nothing* for functionality; it's like assuming an nVidia GPU will work in my Mac Pro just because I can physically plug the card into the slot...
Is the claim that
- a stick of controller-free flash (which is generally only sold to data warehouses; normal sticks come with a controller) will work and
- that Apple communicates with this stick via absolutely standard protocols, presumably NVMe?
If you look at an M1 device (at least an MBA) in System Report it will say that the SSD is connected via Apple Fabric, NOT via NVMe. Which suggests that Apple does nots speak the SSD protocol spoken by most SSD sticks.
What I'm seeing is that MECHANICALLY Apple's SSD matches a standard size. But that means *nothing* for functionality; it's like assuming an nVidia GPU will work in my Mac Pro just because I can physically plug the card into the slot...
The only reason Apple keeps selling Macs with soldered RAM and SSD‘s, is because idiots keep buying them.
Board integration is not necessary for optimal performance, but it makes Apple HOSRDS OF CASH. The average motherboard lasts 13 years, the average SSD lasts 5 years… Need I spell it out to you, a Mac with integrated SSD will last 5 years
Its the same thing with all the unexplainable iPhone and iPad errors that are related to NAND storage
Board integration is not necessary for optimal performance, but it makes Apple HOSRDS OF CASH. The average motherboard lasts 13 years, the average SSD lasts 5 years… Need I spell it out to you, a Mac with integrated SSD will last 5 years
Its the same thing with all the unexplainable iPhone and iPad errors that are related to NAND storage
Weird that all of the macs I own with SSDs that are older than 5 years still work, in that case.