As a baseline, my junky little 1.8mhz PC Celeron will read, rip and write a -r dvd all in about 25 minutes. The DVD is an 8x. Using a Macbook Pro 2.33 17", I'm now using Mac the Ripper and Toast - the combo I was advised as the best. Problem is this: MTR is painfully slow, usually takes about an hour + to d-macro. Add read/write times for the new DVD and we're approaching 1.5-2.0 hours. There has got to be a better idea. Somebody mentioned that Toast in a DATA format will read the DVD, encryption and all, and re-write another encrypted DVD. Is this usuable in normal players? Does it really just dupe it? I think MTR is fine, and it leaves me with a de-RIAA'd version of my DVD that I have purchased. Which it should have been to begin with. But do I really NEED a non-encrypted new-DVD, if I'm just going to use it as a backup? And finally, isn't there a better solution to MTR for speed?