Mac vs. PC...University of Illinois video...

[FelixDerKater]

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Can't type that on a Mac????

Hit OPTION-U and then the vowel...


But I guess he enjoys typing ALT-1XX combinations.

 

[jefhatfield]

Originally posted by couch potato
gosh, what is this? AMD-only site or something??

overall, what i have seen on this site for a long time, since the beginning, is that amd is more popular than intel

intel has the fastest processor out there

but amd is faster per ghz rating and cheaper

either way, the pc world has the speed advantage over the mac...but i hope the ibm 970 or power 4 comes to the mac platform and then we will see how laprge the speed gap is

i will still expect intel and amd to be somewhat faster, even then

 

[creativeczar]

Mac vs PC

I use PC and Mac ALL DAY at work. Literally, I have a Powerbook sitting next to my Dell laptop and switch back and forth continually.

At home I have two Macs (one for me and one for my kids) The number one complaint I hear from my kids? No Games! Because of the cost of porting games to the Mac side, only the most profitable and popular ones make it. That's okay for me, but my kids are constantly under peer pressure to get a Windows computer or Game Station. While games may be a drawing card for kids, adults in the workplace use Macs because they work better for graphics. After working with Mac in both OS X and OS 9, I choose Macs for my home use because they are more fun to use and more reliable.

As long as the Sims, SimCity, Tony Hawk and Medal of Honor continue to port to Mac, I should be okay.

 

[Rower_CPU]

Originally posted by PC Clone
<snip> If those people prefer an OS that's easier to use, a 2 button mouse, and a faster processor, then why should they use a Mac? They have their reasons...

Windows being easier to use is subjective. Windows users are used to Windows and Mac users are used to a Mac OS. I doubt anyone has actually done any objective tests to see if common tasks are easier in one OS or the other.

Give up on the mouse thing already. OS X recognizes 2 button mice and scroll wheels natively, no drivers needed.

I'm sure PC trolls have their reasons for coming around here...not sure what it is, though.

 

[jholzner]

Originally posted by Kwyjibo
hmmm I was hoping to goto UofI next year but know I really have to think....atleast I have my iBook so i can avoid as many those PC people if necessary. I think it is kind of weird that basically every BS reason they gave for PCs being better than MACs is addressed in Apples 10 Reasons to switch. Obviously they were on the ball with these ten reasons. The problem is that we are like Columbus, the rest of the world may spend centuries believing the world is a falt PC world, until they see and understand the powerfel round Mac World.

Well, the U of I itself support Macs to a great extent. All the public labs are half mac half pc. The computer store in our student union is almost all macs on display...I think they have maybe one PC on display in the store but they have a 17" iMac on a white stand that you see as soon as you walk in. They also have two g4 towers with 17" LCD displays...an ibook a powerbook and an eMac. Apple even gives students here a bigger discount than at other schools. We get the institution discount as indivduals here. That is because the U of I sells a LOT of macs for Apple...we have Apple gam day in the union once a year and they give away posters...and the Apple Campus Rep. is in our computer store a lot. In fact...the u of i just purchased a lab full of eMacs running X. they're not in the public lab so everyone doesn't get to see them. Hopefully they'll swith to X on all machines soon. We also have a HUGE lab full of FP iMacs...must be 40 or so in the lab...it looks so awsome to see so many FP imacs in one room...too bad they're also running 9!

 

[sockdoggy]

Originally posted by jefhatfield

apple will be remembered as the one who were the innovators

What have they innovated?

 

[MrMacMan]

Originally posted by sockdoggy


What have they innovated?

Um, they created USB, Firewire, killed off the Floppy (finally Dell has done the same), had new ideas of what the computer should look and feel like...

What did they copy off others?

Originally posted by Rower_CPU


Windows being easier to use is subjective. Windows users are used to Windows and Mac users are used to a Mac OS. I doubt anyone has actually done any objective tests to see if common tasks are easier in one OS or the other.

Give up on the mouse thing already. OS X recognizes 2 button mice and scroll wheels natively, no drivers needed.

I'm sure PC trolls have their reasons for coming around here...not sure what it is, though.

These are LittleDog members aren't they, trying to make people not fold! Aren't YOU!

 

[PC Clone]

Originally posted by benixau
i opened 20 odd apps and used 6 (ppt, IE, mail, imovie, qt and itunes) simultaneously.

He can't do that on his top of the line P4? Because I can do that on my 2 year old 1Ghz HP...

Les- by "Go ahead and take a glimpse at the real world" I meant look at how people who prefer PCs actually have their reasons for prefering it... people here act as if it's just that they haven't been able to experience the greatness that is Apple... no, they simply just don't like them...

Originally posted by Rower_CPU
Windows being easier to use is subjective. Windows users are used to Windows and Mac users are used to a Mac OS. I doubt anyone has actually done any objective tests to see if common tasks are easier in one OS or the other.

I'm guessing no Mac user here is confused with working Windows... I could be wrong though... while we're on the subject, how the hell do you look at a picture file's properties on the internet when using OS9(I think it was OS9)...

Give up on the mouse thing already. OS X recognizes 2 button mice and scroll wheels natively, no drivers needed.

Sure they recognize them, but as far as I've seen Apple comuters don't COME with a 2 button mouse, which this day and age I think is silly...

Um, they created USB, Firewire, killed off the Floppy (finally Dell has done the same), had new ideas of what the computer should look and feel like...

How is killing off the floppy an innovation? Alot of people still have floppies lying around so what's the harm in including one? Also, I'm sure Apple has made plenty of money selling their external floppy drives to Mac Users who need them but didn't get one in their computer...

 

[Rower_CPU]

Originally posted by PC Clone
I'm guessing no Mac user here is confused with working Windows... I could be wrong though... while we're on the subject, how the hell do you look at a picture file's properties on the internet when using OS9(I think it was OS9)...

Sure they recognize them, but as far as I've seen Apple comuters don't COME with a 2 button mouse, which this day and age I think is silly...

Fewer Mac users are confused by Windows, because no matter how hard you try, you almost always have had to use a Windows PC at some time or another in your life. The same does not hold true of Mac OS and Windows users.

Believe it or not, a one-button mouse is still easier to use for people first learning how to use a computer. You have modifer keys if you need contextual menus. One-button mice are less ergonomic these days, with the prevalence of scroll wheels, but who knows if Apple feels this compelling enough a reason to change their whole design ethics.

I honestly think that if you wipe the slate clean, and start learning how to use a computer from scratch that a Mac is MUCH easier to use. Windows users get certain...uh..."features" ingrained into their way of thinking about computer-human interface and expect all computers to behave the way they are used to. If only they'd try OS X with an open mind...

 

[mattmack]

Originally posted by MrMacman


What did they copy off others?

Remeber they took the mouse interface idea from xerox

 

[mattmack]

Originally posted by PC Clone

Also, I'm sure Apple has made plenty of money selling their external floppy drives to Mac Users who need them but didn't get one in their computer...

at 49.95 a pop I don't see a high profit margin

 

[Les Kern]

What have they innovated?

I'd have to assume you have a mental problem becasue even a fool would have to agree, maybe grudgingly that Apple has indeed raised the bar and force MS and others to copy.
Here you are:

1981 - 1983 (Lisa and Mac Development teams)
General User Interface
Mouse
Menus
Controls
Windows
Desktop Metaphor
Files - multi-forked filing system
long file names (with spaces & special symbols)
automatic typed icons (type + creator)

1984
Desk Accessories (copied in IBM-compatible world as "TSR")
multitasking: Desk Accessories
Sensible System folder
Dynamic, user-accessible system extension (fonts, INITs, control panels, DA's)
Drag-and-drop Application installation
fast and easy access to international characters
User-extensible font manager
Plug-and-play printing; page setup & print dialogs
Built-in clock with backup battery; reliable file dating
Sound
Built-in speaker, 4 voice sound synthesizer, full digitized sound samples
Speech
Speech synthesis (Macintalk)
Floppy 3.5" floppy (400K)
with automounting and auto-eject
Also added a floppy disk cache
hot-swappable peripherals
mouse
MacPaint, MacWrite, MacDraw
First person mainstream networked game (first person dungeon like game -- MazeWar, initially created at Xerox
Mac128K was an Ergonomic All in one Machine , semi-portable
Use of icons to label ports (all ports keyed to prevent mistakes)

1985
LaserWriter printer with Postscript (Apple also helped Adobe get off the ground as a company)
Networking (plug & play, integrated --AppleTalk/LocalTalk)
Direct manipulation Resource Editor
Desktop Publishing (actually came from Mac Application called ReadySetGo, then Adobe Pagemaker, also Scoop, Xpress and a few others at about the same time, because of what the Macs WYSIWG capabilities)
OOP / OOD (Object Oriented Design and Programming)
Object Pascal (later borrowed by Borland)
MacApp (first mainstream Object Oriented Framework, MS copied poorly with MFC)
Movable Palettes

1986
Plug-and play peripherals (SCSI) - ability to handle volumes/partitions to 2GB
Hypercard (simple object programming -- precursor to Visual Basic)
Hypercard (simple hypertext linking -- precursor to the Web
First personal computer with 4MB linear memory space (Mac Plus)
Kanjitalk
More versatile "Wavetable" sound
Memory Modules (SIMMS) instead of installing RAM
Dial in modem service. Apple create AppleLink communication service -- GE used the software to create AOL.
Scroll speed throttle for uniform user experience regardless of processor speed.
ADB (Apple Desktop Bus): extensible, auto-config low-speed peripheral bus (precursor to USB)
1987
Plug-and-play bus expansion (NuBus)
Multifinder application multitasking
Ability to assign labels to files
Multiple monitor support: single large desktop
Color QuickDraw, 256 color 640x480 graphics (same year as VGA with 16-color 640x480 or 256-color 320x200)
Accelerated video cards
Full Page Display
Dual Page Displays
GWorlds (off screen graphics images used)
Built in masking, antialiasing and Dithering of images (actually masking and dithering was earlier).
Industrial Design: Snap Open

1988
SCSI plug-and-play CD-ROM
Ethertalk
Superdrive, can read and write Mac, DOS, OS/2 files

1989
photo-realistic images (32-bit QuickDraw)
32 Bit Clean OS and 32-bit clean computers (software patches fixed older machines, no BIOS replacements)
A/ROSE real-time operating system for smart cards
Multiprocessing (using cards like YARC and Radius Rocket)
Mac Portable, first mainstream portable with an integrated trackball and active matrix screen

1990
Sound input
Built-in Ethernet (Quadra)
Publish and Subscribe and early work on Object Embedding (later to be borrowed and become OLE)
Aural feedback for controls (Sonic Finder)
Ability to assign custom icons to Finder objects

1991
Powerbook 100: first laptop with keyboard in back, trackball in front.
TrueType outline font technology (licensed to Microsoft)
Balloon help (with contextual feedback)
Built in File sharing
Robust aliases
QuickTime
Multimedia -- Apple created the term. They had been the first to integrate Sound, Speech, Text and Graphics (multiple medias), then expanded to include video (and later 3D) and pushed with CD-ROMs
Virtual Memory
Appletalk Remote Access
AppleScript: application and system scripting
Integrated eMail
Integrated Keychain (Security)
Encryption and Security
Network Browser
Trash you have to empty (item in trash survive power down)

1992
Powerbook Duo: first dockable (e.g. "port replicator") but much more elegant
Global text input support (WorldScript)
ColorSync color matching
Built-in CD-ROM's
Video Input - AV models
Integrated DSP
1993
Next generation speech synthesis
Speech recognition (Speakable Items)
Integrated telephony (Geoport)
First PC with built-in TV
PDA
Handwriting Recognition (Newton)
Gesture Recognition

1994
Powerbook 520: first widely-available laptop with trackpad.
Power Macintosh: PowerPC RISC chip
68K emulation for seamless backward compatablity.
Graphing Calculator: real-time equation visualization, 2D and 3D.
MacOS on Unix (MAE)
"Most Recent" folders
Hierarchical menus
Windowshade (collapsible windows)
AppleGuide (help system with coachmarks)
PC Exchange (cross platform file compatibility)
Macintosh Easy Open (can open PC files)
DOS/Windows compatibility cards and emulation software
Threads
TCP/IP support
Powerbook file synchronization
Continuous speech recognition and input (Cantonese dictation)
Bento - Object Oriented Document model
IEEE-1394 (FireWire)

1995
QuickTime VR, Conferencing
Open Transport Networking (streams)
QuickDraw 3D
Plug & Play PCI bus (PCI Only -- no ISA or older bus)

1996
OpenDoc (Fully document centric interface model)
Integrated Browser (CyberDog)
Web as a data-type (CyberDog)

1997
Popup folders
Spring loaded folders

1998
Sherlock full-text indexing and internet searching
Titlebar (icons to represent the folder itself for dragging etc)
Appearance manager (Themes)
Audio Themes (Sonic Finder finally ships in 8.5)
Tear off Menu (Application Menu. Also Apple and NeXT merged, NeXT created them)
Resizable Menus
Customizable scroll bar behavior
Integrated System Wide antialiasing.
iMac - clear case, return of all-in-one, simplified design, ALL plug & play I/O, floppyless design
USB (Universal Serial Bus) :this is a copy of the Apple Desktop Bus (ADB). Apple was also the first to make it ubiquitous and standard.

1999
Industrial Design: Handles + Door
AirPort -- Wireless anetworking made easy

And don't give any crap on who invented the mouse. Apple was the first to put it in a PC.
Sheesh.

 

[Les Kern]

What have they innovated?

Sorry, my Mac is so fast it posted twice. I apologize for having a bad-ass machine.

 

[Les Kern]

What have they innovated?

Make that 3 times

 

[mattmack]

Originally posted by Les Kern


I'd have to assume you have a mental problem becasue even a fool would have to agree, maybe grudgingly that Apple has indeed raised the bar and force MS and others to copy.
Here you are:

And don't give any crap on who invented the mouse. Apple was the first to put it in a PC.
Sheesh.

All I got to say is DAMN
(and i was just saying they didn't innovate one thing but at least they didn't steal their os)

 

[sockdoggy]

Originally posted by Les Kern

I'd have to assume you have a mental problem becasue even a fool would have to agree, maybe grudgingly that Apple has indeed raised the bar and force MS and others to copy.
Here you are:

Sorry, didn't know asking questions was such a big deal... I'm just curious what they have invented. I agree they have raised the bar.

1981 - 1983 (Lisa and Mac Development teams)
General User Interface
Mouse
Menus
Controls
Windows
Desktop Metaphor
Files - multi-forked filing system
long file names (with spaces & special symbols)
automatic typed icons (type + creator)

From what I can see in this portion of the list is that Apple just made the GUI they copied from Xerox better. It isn't really innovating.

The rest of the list, well, I don't know enough about it to comment on.

 

[Les Kern]

Originally posted by sockdoggy

1981 - 1983 (Lisa and Mac Development teams)
General User Interface
Mouse
Menus
Controls
Windows
Desktop Metaphor
Files - multi-forked filing system
long file names (with spaces & special symbols)
automatic typed icons (type + creator)

From what I can see in this portion of the list is that Apple just made the GUI they copied from Xerox better. It isn't really innovating.

The rest of the list, well, I don't know enough about it to comment on.

Kind of true. Apple didn't invent the mouse, but the innovation was it's use on a computer. They DID invent the desktop concept with icons, etc.

 

[sickboy_osX]

There are some hot chicks there that use PC's i am going to switch heheheheh j/k

Nahh kind of cool, i think the most mac freindly school is {Shamless Plug} The University of Utah with their 250 seat MAC ONLY lab {/shamless plug}

 

[iEleniandengel]

Introducing AQUA

i seem to understand that the Mac using it for 5 years before then 5 year of pc the OS X Was like a sending of God, PowerPC G4 makes pentiums sound, and work like crap people that cant aford them or hate to try something different are pressured to use PC, It's all Bill Gates idea to take over the world
being differnet
is being unique
iEleniandengel
P.S. I totally forgot about the hole introducing Aqua PC is trying to do something similar... haha
someday Mac and PC will be the same, and that day Mac will change

 

[Noiseboy]

Les Kerns you ARE info-God.


Noiseboy.

 

[Les Kern]

Originally posted by Noiseboy
Les Kerns you ARE info-God.


Noiseboy.

Nope... I stole it from various sources off the internet. Who has time to track Apple data?
I did omit a few odd facts and added a few ommissions though. So call me Info-God's Editor in Chief.

 

[Noiseboy]

Acronymically speaking LKIGEIC

Noiseboy.

 

[patrick0brien]

Originally posted by sockdoggy


What have they innovated?

-Sorry, got to add my $0.02

In a nutshell. Apple has been responsible for just about every new item when it comes to personal computing. Some of the biggies.

They are accredited with the first Personal Computer back in '75 or so. Yes, some might say the Altair was really one, but that was a Micro - bit different, and not accredited.

They BOUGHT Star from PARC - the GUI concept.

They did invent FireWire. Apple wrote the spec from the gound up in 1986, brought it infrom of the IEEE, they granted it 1394, and the rest is history.

First to use USB (Intel wrote the spec).

First to build in Optical Media (CD-ROM on the Centris)

The first Spreadsheet program - Visicalc - was written for Apple ][. Word and Excel were originally written on the Mac.


Just to name a few. I'll post my Spreadsheet of "Computing Firsts" later. It's in Excel

 

[fourthtunz]

Originally posted by patrick0brien


-Sorry, got to add my $0.02
First to use USB (Intel wrote the spec).

Hey just a note but I think intel got usb from the Apple adb didn't they? Hey I read it on the net so It's gotta be true right
daniel

 

[fourthtunz]

Originally posted by sockdoggy



From what I can see in this portion of the list is that Apple just made the GUI they copied from Xerox better. It isn't really innovating.

The rest of the list, well, I don't know enough about it to comment on.

I'll assume you're young and new to computing. The Apple GUI is much different from the xerox gui and xerox ain't making computers Also note that both Jobs and Gates visited Parc, but Gates stole His gui not from xerox but from Apple, as it was the real deal. MS has paid money to apple for patent infringment a few times. Also you should know that the US Government is suing MS for being a monopoly, basically thugs who steal other peoples work. I like to support innovators not thieves.
daniel