I noticed this as well. It seems to me that Apple is doing an iPhone 6 Plus type thing, where the OS scales at a higher resolution out of the box than the actual physical resolution. No need for the extra pixels at 12".
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I noticed this as well. It seems to me that Apple is doing an iPhone 6 Plus type thing, where the OS scales at a higher resolution out of the box than the actual physical resolution. No need for the extra pixels at 12".
What's the screen area difference when scaled? And will the GPU be able to handle it?
I'm hoping so since it's an option.
I'm hoping so since it's an option.
1440x900 and 1280x800 should be more than adequate for a 12 screen.
The 1st gen 13" rMBP was running on an Intel HD 4000, and technically also the 1st gen 15" rMBP as well when the dGPU wasn't running. The 12" should be fine.
Even the retina iPads run at 2048x1536.
It does run-in full res, however everything is scaled at 1:2 so on the 15" MBPr 2880x1800 is displayed so it looks to be 1440x900, this increases sharpness and detail significantly especially in text rendering.
You can scale to "More Space" however this increases the load on the GPU, equally I run my 13" 2.8 Retina at a more space resolution 100% of the time, my 15" Retina I leave at default.
If you want to run the display at the native unscaled resolution then you need to turn to a 3rd party application.
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"More space" is where I have mine set all the time - so what am I really getting for pixels at that setting? And do we know how that compares to what the rMB will display at the same "more space" setting?
See my post #12 quoting Apple specs and supported scaling for the new rMB.
"Default" will be 1152 x 720 (half native 2304 x 1440)
"More space 1" will be 1280 x 800
"More space 2" will be 1440 x 900
"Larger text" will be 1024 x 640
The 13" rMBP values are:
"Default" 1280 x 800
"More space 1" 1440 x 900
"More space 2" 1680 x 1050
"Larger text" 1024 x 640
You can achieve the same thing by clicking on the "Scaled" button while holding down the Option key. You don't need a third-party app.
When used in default mode, best for display.
Does this mean the rMB will have the same size text as the 13" rMBP.
If not will it at least have larger text than the 11" and 13" MBA's.
Thank you, that is extremely helpful. The result would be that setting "more space 1" on the 13" rMBP would equal the rMB set on "more space 2"?
Not on any of my Mac`s 15" MBPr 1920x1200 is max resolution (scaled) with QuickRes I access standard resolutions, up to 3840x2400 and all the way down to 640x480. The 3rd party apps very much come into their own when you are dealing with multiple displays and want custom resolutions beyond what Apple offers.
Command + Option allows you to change the display rotation...
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On my riMac, clicking "scaled" while holding the Option key brings up the full list of available resolutions. Including the native resolution of the screen (5120x2880), which is ... wow
I hope so, as the GPU is the weakest aspect of the Core M and running scaled can effect performance, can't help but think that 1280x800 (scaled) would have been a better default for the 12"
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On my riMac, clicking "scaled" while holding the Option key brings up the full list of available resolutions. Including the native resolution of the screen (5120x2880), which is ... wow
Two Retina`s 15 & 13 and neither do this, I remember it being an option on pre Retina Mac`s.
On 10.10.2
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I'm on 10.10.2 too. I don't have my rMBP anymore so I can't check another machine. Why would they allow that on the iMac but not on the MBP ?
Hardware? I don't have anything running that would affect system preferences. I only use a 3rd party solution when I have to plug into an external and it doesn't play well.
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Option-click on "scaled" doesn't work on either of my late 2013 rMBPs either
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That's right...same real estate, but text size would be a bit smaller on rMB's 12inch vs rMBP's 13inch of course.
Very useful information
I tried to find why when there is increased number of pixels, the result is less screen real state
I thought it was the other way round
If any person knows or can add a link, I would be grateful
I tried to find why when there is increased number of pixels, the result is less screen real state
I thought it was the other way round
If any person knows or can add a link, I would be grateful
That's how Retina works. As simplified explanation : the pixels are smaller. Where your old screen had one pixel, the Retina has 4. That doubles the number of pixels in width and in height.
Which allows Apple to be utterly confusing when they give their screens specs
- for years the resolution and screen real estate have been simply correlated. Now you have to take into account the ppi, or pixel density.
To expand on what was said above, if Apple tried to have you use the full native resolution on a 12" display, all of your content would be too small to interact with or read. So they instead use those extra pixels to increase sharpness - so their native resolution uses 4 physical pixels on the screen to draw one pixel of content. This makes everything extremely sharp (as on an iPhone or iPad). Unfortunately they didn't choose a high enough resolution screen, IMO, so using this mode you'll be left with an unacceptably low resolution workspace - lower than the existing 11" Air which is already too small.
The alternative, if you insist on 'more space' is to use those other settings. Having a Surface Pro 3 myself, I think that 1440x900 would be the best choice on the MacBook. That's a good split between size of elements and having enough real estate to work with. However, as has been mentioned here, that comes at the cost of requiring extra processing power on the MacBook, as the content has to be rendered at a very high resolution, then down-scaled to the 1440x900.
A question for those people who use retina Macs at these 'more space' resolutions. How sharp is the content compared to using the native 4:1 'default' scaling? Does everything get a little bit soft when using those resolutions?
I had this discussion in another forum and was assured that the scaled are as sharp as the default, which is how it seems to me. I can't tell any loss of sharpness/clarity.
Apple used to call the default setting "Best for Retina". They don't do that anymore, it is just labelled "Default", but there is a little note which appears under the non-default settings saying "using a scaled resolution may affect performance".....which is what you are saying. For what I do I don't see any loss of performance either.
That's how Retina works. As simplified explanation : the pixels are smaller. Where your old screen had one pixel, the Retina has 4. That doubles the number of pixels in width and in height.
Which allows Apple to be utterly confusing when they give their screens specs
Thanks. I feel like less of a dunce.
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I have the same feeling but I couldn't prove it objectively. "More space 2" seems very sharp, and I also do not see any loss of performance in ordinary use. I ran a gaming benchmark last weekend, though, and was surprised at how badly it ran at that setting, until I thought a little bit about what the computer had to do at that setting.
Same I run my 13: Retina scaled 100% of the time and I don't observe any degradation of the display or impact on performance, equally it`s the 2014 2.8
I do have some concerns on how the new MackBook will deal with scaled resolutions given the GPU is the weakest part of the package...
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That's how I'd use it (very close to getting one), but I wonder about the fluidity impact of running scaled.
Ooops, didn't know you quoted me before and commented on this subject. Never mind.
I bet it'll be fine. Supposedly, it's capable of running both its own display as well as an external 4K/UHD at the same time - though it remains to be seen at how many Hz...
So running its own in scaled mode should, at least as long as it doesn't also have to run an external display, be fine.