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MBP or rMB is the way to go.
MBA is obsolete now, i cant see a reason to go for it unless you are on a budget.

If you think the MBA is obsolete, you don't know what the word obsolete means.

The MBA was just refreshed in 2015 with all current parts except for the screen, which doesn't really make a different re: whether it's obsolete or not. (If you find it acceptable, great. If not, get a retina MacBook.)

At some point in the future it seems likely that the Air line will be discontinued and then we can talk about whether or not the machines are obsolete, but as of now, they are not obsolete by any understanding of the word.
 
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I do most of my heavy work on a 27 inch iMac but when I need to take the work, to work, where there is only a smattering of older windows desktops (long live the non-profit!) for several years I've used a 2013 11" Macbook Air...for everything including Photoshop, InDesign, and Illustrator. While not the best scenario for your sanity or your eyes, I'm surprised that most times my tiny might Air has done well considering my only other alternative are machines that totally suck.

The hubby now needs the 11" MBA for traveling on a daily basis and I am in need of something portable when I have to work "at work"...A souped up 13" MBA is my first choice coming in around 1800 bucks if I opt for an i7 and a slighter larger SSD...remember I'm using now an 11" inch 2013 MBA with a 128 SSD. I gotta admit I love the lack of weight carrying these things around.

The other option is a MBP with Retina and I know several folks that like them and feel they're great - I had an old MBP non Retina before the Air. Trouble is - souping up the MBP and I'd probably then opt for a 15" and if I add an i7 to the mix I'm looking at quite a bit more.

Any suggestions? Anyone work on both? And remember, I really like the non-heft of the airs when carrying everything else i need to in my backpack.

thanks.
3 weeks ago I bought a 13" MBA. I love the MBA; However, I started to over-analyze after listening to compelling arguments for the rMBP. So I thought I should spend a little more $ and get the 13" rMBP, which on paper you get more for your money( I get it). So I returned the MBA for the new rMBP. The rMBP is obviously an amazing laptop, so I don't have anything negative to say.

HOWEVER, there is a certain "intangible perfection" that I noticed with the 13" MBA that I missed, terribly.
I KNOW, the MBPr has more "under the hood" and has the "splashy" screen, but I LOVE THE MBA. The size and ergonomics are awesome. Apple could not have designed a more perfect machine in my opinion. There is a law of diminishing returns for screen clarity for me. The retina screen is great, but the MBA screen is more that fine for me. (maybe I'm a caveman)
Best Buy had the MBA on sale for $849 and I had a $100 coupon. So I went back, returned the rMBP ($1,399) and bought the MBA for $749! Unbelievable. I LOVE this machine. I contemplated the new MB12", but I actually like the MBA best of all. I would trust YOUR gut feeling over all of the "Over-analyzing" stats and Fanboys. Just my opinion. Good luck.
 
Either computer will be adequately powered - keep in mind the Pro has better graphics to make up for the extra pixels. Both should be reasonably quiet under normal operation.

How does Apple's naming of their GPUs work, as from my understanding, the new Macbook retina has a lower numbered Intel chip than the Air. (from memory 5200 vs 6000?) Or does the number game not work that way? Does the Air really have a more powerful graphics chip than the new retina Macbook? Also is the 1.3Ghz version not available yet?
 
3 weeks ago I bought a 13" MBA. I love the MBA; However, I started to over-analyze after listening to compelling arguments for the rMBP. So I thought I should spend a little more $ and get the 13" rMBP, which on paper you get more for your money( I get it). So I returned the MBA for the new rMBP. The rMBP is obviously an amazing laptop, so I don't have anything negative to say.

HOWEVER, there is a certain "intangible perfection" that I noticed with the 13" MBA that I missed, terribly.
I KNOW, the MBPr has more "under the hood" and has the "splashy" screen, but I LOVE THE MBA. The size and ergonomics are awesome. Apple could not have designed a more perfect machine in my opinion. There is a law of diminishing returns for screen clarity for me. The retina screen is great, but the MBA screen is more that fine for me. (maybe I'm a caveman)
Best Buy had the MBA on sale for $849 and I had a $100 coupon. So I went back, returned the rMBP ($1,399) and bought the MBA for $749! Unbelievable. I LOVE this machine. I contemplated the new MB12", but I actually like the MBA best of all. I would trust YOUR gut feeling over all of the "Over-analyzing" stats and Fanboys. Just my opinion. Good luck.

Interesting, because I thought about getting the rMBP for the very same reasons you're saying, but, having had a 2010 MBA, wasn't sure I would have liked it. I would have probably ended up the same way you did. I really love the new rMB, which as I said I bought and returned, it's a jewel and every time I see it I want to buy it. IMO it will be ok in 2-3 years.

About the "intangibile perfection", I couldn't agree more, and remember that someone else was saying exactly the same thing on this board. Using a computer is not just a bunch of specs.
 
If you think the MBA is obsolete, you don't know what the word obsolete means.

The MBA was just refreshed in 2015 with all current parts except for the screen, which doesn't really make a different re: whether it's obsolete or not. (If you find it acceptable, great. If not, get a retina MacBook.)

At some point in the future it seems likely that the Air line will be discontinued and then we can talk about whether or not the machines are obsolete, but as of now, they are not obsolete by any understanding of the word.

Maybe it's obsolete in the same way the rMB is under powered...?
if you want performance MBP, if you want portability then it's rMB, if it's cost MBA, i see no other reason to have one... its got a poor screen, old design...
 
Maybe it's obsolete in the same way the rMB is under powered...?
if you want performance MBP, if you want portability then it's rMB, if it's cost MBA, i see no other reason to have one... its got a poor screen, old design...

The 11" MBA is almost the same size and weight as the rMB but it also has more ports, runs cooler, has more processing power, better battery life, more key travel, more screen real estate (assuming default resolution for rMB), and it's cheaper if you don't need 8GB of RAM or a 256GB SSD.

I wouldn't say the screen is poor, it's just not as good as the retina screens. It's still perfectly usable and still competitive in its price class.

The design is almost brand new, unless you mean the design of the chassis? I guess that might matter if you're so insecure that you can't stand the thought of somebody seeing you in public with a laptop that might be a few years old. Or maybe you need a gold rMB to go with your purse?

I'm not trying to say that the rMB or the rMBP are bad machines, they are also good. But the MBA (at least the 11" model) is not obsolete and it's not necessarily pointless to buy one.
 
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My manbag's silver - so as to match all the possible device options.
We wont ever agree, i don't like it, don't see the point of it and wouldn't recommend it over the other options.

Ports, if that important go pro. but 99% of people cling to the port argument as a negative but I've travelled all over the world and never seen people using more than one port at a time, be it in meetings, on the aircraft, subway or Starbucks so it's just not really a restricting factor either way..

..but if you do need 8GB and 256GB SSD...
I wouldn't say the performance of the rMB is an issue, it's in the same region as last years MBA.

So its all perspective... is it not?
 
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Ports, if that important go pro. but 99% of people cling to the port argument as a negative but I've travelled all over the world and never seen people using more than one port at a time, be it in meetings, on the aircraft, subway or Starbucks so it's just not really a restricting factor either way..

Yes, well, you're observing these people in specific situations where using multiple ports is less necessary and/or convenient. You don't follow them around all day to observe how they use their laptop at the office or at home, so you're in a poor position to judge how useful multiple ports are to them.

One thing I will often do with my MBA when I'm in a hotel or at a friend's house is to use my laptop to stream video to a TV. I keep my laptop plugged in while streaming video, since it's a power-hungry activity and I don't want to put unnecessary wear on my battery, or have the battery die halfway through watching a movie. So that's two ports that I use simultaneously (power and video-out). On some occasions I will stream a video that I have saved on an external drive, so that's yet another port I'd use at the same time (USB).

I will also sometimes rip a DVD to an external hard drive (using both USB ports) while the laptop is plugged in, so that's another fairly typical scenario where I'm using 3 ports simultaneously.

If I'm backing up my computer to an external flash drive (as I do when I travel) then I'm using the USB port but I also want to have the laptop plugged in and charging, since it takes a while and I do it overnight and I want to have a full charge in the morning.

Of course I don't do all this stuff while I'm at Starbucks or in a meeting, so you would probably conclude that I have no use for multiple ports.

(That being said, it's pretty common for me to charge my laptop when I'm in an airport terminal and use the laptop to charge my phone simultaneously, and I occasionally see other people doing the same. Maybe you haven't looked carefully enough at what people are doing with their electronics in airports.)

Of course if I had some sort of USB-C hub I could do all this stuff with a retina MacBook too but that's less convenient.


I wouldn't say the performance of the rMB is an issue, it's in the same region as last years MBA.

So its all perspective... is it not?

No, the rMB's performance is completely different from a 2014 MBA.

For short bursts of activity the laptops are very similar.

But for longer activities (like Handbrake encoding) the rMB will quickly reach its thermal limit and then run half as fast as a MBA, meaning Handbrake encodes might take up to twice as long on a rMB. That could mean extra hours of transcoding to some people.

So the performance is more like a 2011 MBA, since those had i5s that would also quickly "overheat."

I admit that most people would never notice a performance difference between a rMB and a MBA which is why I'm often skeptical when people say the rMB is "underpowered" but there are very real scenarios where the rMB will run less than half as fast as a current MBA and that might make a big difference to some people.
 
I have a pro .. once you start using a retina machine, every other screen looks washed out .. there's no going back after a retina .. :) .. and it's worth the size/weight ..
 
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