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I think, 'no', though I initially though this was a great idea. Because the batteries are still screwed in. You could make a replacement bottom that had a changeable battery easily enough, but then you've just negated the 'Air'.

Aw, crap! I didn't know that. It's probably difficult to create a conversion kit that would hold the battery in place with prongs or something, instead?

I guess somebody could also sell a thicker, higher capacity battery that would give 15 hours of life, and include a custom bottom panel so it would fit. You still couldn't swap it, but you wouldn't need to. I don't know how much added thickness would be necessary, though... or how much weight... even a 3.5 or 4 lb. MBA with a .35 inch front edge might still be pretty nice, though, especially if it gave 15 hours of battery life. Still would be thinner than a Vaio. And it wouldn't add more weight than the multiple batteries these road warriors haul with them. And you could just use the thing for flights, then put your old battery pack/cover in so it would be down to 3 lbs, .16 inches again.
 
Yup, I'm gonna have to go with: This is retarded. Who gives a rat's a** about unscrewing the computer. I don't even like the stupid 90° twist lock on my MB. Everything battery has been downhill since the bronze/wallstreet. Two batteries with lever locks; got me thru long days of notes and internet (pre-1xRtt) in the middle of an auditorium, or running between conference rooms.

I go lots of places with no useful power, so I am bored by adapter talk. I've carried small things with dongles, and pretty quick you are up to having a larger computer; the bag is at least as big, cause each item needs a little home, a cord wrapped around and maybe its own padding.

I use optical like 3 times a year, but get me 12 hours on battery and I'll be all over it.
 
Apple needs to start making less expensive systems that aren't so niche. Folks, we are about to go into a major recession in the US and Apple only sells one system for under a thousand dollars. That is not a good recipe for an economic downturn. Forget about that battery.

I know a lot of people talk about how an economic downturn is bad and a recession is bad but, umm. I'm REALLY looking forward to it! Stocks will go down (more shares per dollar) and the fed will drop interest rates and I'll be able to re-fi my house for a really low interest rate. There's no way I'm gonna get laid off or that I'm going to get paid less so I'm looking forward to it! :)

Anyway - if the recession does happen I'm gonna be glad because then I'll have some extra money to buy a new mac, yipee! :)
 
I've used/worked with and fixed Apple laptops for a long long time and I have never heard anyone complain about having less battery life than Apple quotes in it's specs. If you have a Mac laptop that doesn't get as many hours as Apple says it will (or even more), you are an exception IMO.

Your post is so exaggerated it just reads like a lie. "Significantly less" than 1.5 hours would have to be maybe an hour (or perhaps even less than that) on a battery rated for over 4 hours. So please tell us the details on all these people that got less than an hour out of their PowerBook batteries and how Apple did nothing about it. While your at it point us to the news articles about the outrage that followed, because if it's true then certainly it would have been a colossal deal in the press.

I don't remember hearing or reading anything about it.

Then you weren't paying attention. Not surprising as you apparently aren't paying attention here either. You are specifically talking about the PowerBook. I am specifically talking about the very first revision of the MacBook Pro. Keep up.

Not everything makes it to a class action suit. But, that does not mean that there wasn't an issue.

One thing that was interesting about the MacBook Pro's initial release, is that Apple originally did not publish an expected battery life. So, users were on their own to compare and exchange their observed battery life experiences.

Lots of people reported 30 minutes (and were absolutely shocked and amazed). Those people asked others what they were getting, and found that they were in a minority (although still numerous). The majority of early reporters stated around 1 and a half hours to 2 hours.

Several people reported the best they could get was 3 to 3.5 hours.

And, then a few weeks later (after all the discussions), Apple finally posted their rating of 4.5 hours for the 15-inch and 5.5 hours for the 17-inch.

That absolutely baffled the people since it didn't stand to reason that a larger screen version should outlast the smaller screen version.

I was a level 4 on the Apple Discussions / Support site at the time, so I fielded a lot of questions and participated in a lot of the discussions surrounding this issue (under a different name than I use here).

As for providing you with proof and so on, do a simple search. I was going to provide you with links, but decided against it as I didn't feel like sorting through the massive number that came up. You can search it yourself.

Simply put, do a search, then sort the results by date, then go to the oldest hits first.

As for the other poster's statement about things on forums being out of line quantity wise, that is a common and easy statement to make. The problem, is that forums are about all Apple users have to get things resolved and find their cures. Apple has a nasty habit of refusing to acknowledge that they even know about an issue until it gets to the recall or class action stage.

Take the iMac G5 for example. Many of us had issues that caused the machines to over-heat, some burned / charred internally (like mine), others had capacitors that bulged or leaked. And, many users were told that there was no known issue with those machines. It wasn't until much later (after many of us had finally trashed our computers that Apple finally initiated an extended warranty to cover the very issues they originally denied.

Sometimes the forums are the only place to get support and to make your voice heard. After-all, Apple isn't going to willingly and publicly admit an issue.

Sure, not everyone uses the forums. Many don't. But, when there is a huge number of people reporting an issue, it is probably sufficient to say that it is a wide-spread issue.

After-all, I could just as easily say that just as many happy customers never report their satisfaction, that many people with issues don't jump on the forums to complain either. Lots of people have computers die and have issues with the manufacturer without ever thinking that they should go on the Internet and tell someone about it.

So, the argument works both ways. You can't dismiss an issue just because not everyone participates in the forums. Otherwise, you'd have to consider that for every person who says something nice in the forums that there could be thousands more who are dissatisfied and never get on the Internet to complain about it. Obviously, that argument would be equally short-sighted.

It would be more accurate to say simply that if a large number of people complain about an issue, that it's not likely an isolated incident.

After-all, a whole bunch of people have jumped to Apple's defense claiming that only people with issues make their voice heard on the forums. And, in most of those cases there has been (eventually - many months later) an admission by Apple that there really was a large number of people affected by the issue.

I originally thought as you did that there were not really as many people affected as it appeared (thinking that only those with issues were hanging out on the forums). But, then I began to see every failure they complained of claim my (previously reliable) Apple computer.

Turns out that while I was discounting their claims, it was only that my number hadn't come up yet.
 
Don't Bother With An Extra Battery...

Just buy two MacBookAir laptops.

You know...like when Elvis ran outta gas, he just bought another Cadillac.

Yes, yes, I know...you're welcome.
 
Oh that's a load of crap (at least the US part). MD-80's come with them standard throughout the entire cabin and those are just 2x3's. As I said in another post, if you're traveling in the US and your flight is so long your battery is going to die your plane is going to have DC power. The only planes that don't have DC power are the smaller ones and those flights don't go more than 4 hours at the extreme outside. And while we're talking about the battery it's 5 hours WITH WI-FI and Bluetooth ON! On an airplane you're going to get, at the very least, 6 hours probably more like 6.5-7.


uh.... i fly to europe from the states every 6 weeks for the past 5 years and i've NEVER seen power ports in coach. Multiple airlines too and huge planes.
 
Bingo. My last trip to Tokyo on a fn' new 777 had no power unless you were in first class. I even called ahead to check and the airline said every seat has access to one of those airline power adapters, but no such luck.

That's very strange. According to several websites, the 777 has power adapters in each and every row. Which airline did you fly on?
 
I've seen many post saying some wouldn't mind to attempt changing the battery on an airplane but last time I checked a screwdriver was not allowed in carry on or is it now?
 
So no MBA's for 90% of the posters here. Oh well, more for the rest of us.
Because it WILL sell, and all the nonsense here wont make a bit of difference.
If you are Apple supporters/users/fans whatever, I suggest its time to SHUT UP and wait until the little laptop hits the shelves and the streets.

Very disappointing to see so much crap from people who dont want it.
Fine. I DO want it, and I think it makes a lot of sense.

You dont want it? Then dont frickin' buy it - no one is jamming a gun up your keister and leading you to the nearest Apple store, are they?

Somebody will design a bottom case option where it will have a huge 12 hour battery bulge and look like Kim Kardashian's ass - maybe then you whiners will be happy.
 
Great news!

I still won't be buying my wife one until they come down in price just a smidge. Also, I never buy a version 1.0 of anything if I can help it.
 
Airplane?

Well, I have a perfect solution for those who are on planes for 10+ hours and are worried about not having access to a power source while on the plane. Just buy 3 MBA's. +10-15 hours of battery life right there.

I can see it now...

You are on the plane to Tokyo, doing whatever on your laptop and then suddenly..! The laptop dies. Woops! you say to the person sitting next to you. I guess my laptop battery died. =/

You take out another MBA out of your case and just pitch the dead one back in the bag, as if you don't even care if it gets damaged. Start that badboy up and look to the cute Japanese girl sitting next to you and just wink slyly. Oh, snap. :cool:
 
[now standard response to Macbook Air whining]

I love the Macbook Air, but SOME people would like it more if there was a model with an optical drive, a faster CPU, more ports and a removable battery, even if it made it thicker and heavier (they could even drop the 'Air' part of the name for that model). :rolleyes:

[/now standard response to Macbook Air whining]

Seriously, if you need a removable battery, get a Macbook (or Macbook Pro) and deal with the fact that Apple cannot break the laws of physics and make a computer than thin with a removable battery and optical drives etc.

If you don't need a removable battery or internal optical drive, maybe the Macbook Air is for you. If you do, then maybe it isn't.

It's great that it looks like it's easy to replace the battery when it dies / loses charge. Anyway, maybe 3rd parties will come up with magsafe-connectable external batteries for those rare times when people might need them, like you can get for iPods.
 
[now standard response to Macbook Air whining]

I love the Macbook Air, but SOME people would like it more if there was a model with an optical drive, a faster CPU, more ports and a removable battery, even if it made it thicker and heavier (they could even drop the 'Air' part of the name for that model). :rolleyes:

[/now standard response to Macbook Air whining]

Seriously, if you need a removable battery, get a Macbook (or Macbook Pro) and deal with the fact that Apple cannot break the laws of physics and make a computer than thin with a removable battery and optical drives etc.

If you don't need a removable battery or internal optical drive, maybe the Macbook Air is for you. If you do, then maybe it isn't.

It's great that it looks like it's easy to replace the battery when it dies / loses charge. Anyway, maybe 3rd parties will come up with magsafe-connectable external batteries for those rare times when people might need them, like you can get for iPods.

Sounds fine at first glance. And, honestly, I could live with a machine with a reduced feature set, reduced battery life, reduced CPU power, and so on if only it didn't cost $700 more than the machine which has everything it lacks.

2 pounds lighter just isn't worth that much when you consider all that is lost for your extra $700.
 
For the MacBook Pro:

In normal use, 3.5 hours with "charge to spare":

http://www.macworld.com/article/49555/2006/02/mbpromain.html

Or, closer to 3 hours here:

http://www.macworld.com/article/53959/2006/11/mbprocore2duo.html

Still only about 3 hours with the 17" model:

http://www.macworld.com/article/50950/2006/05/17mbpro.html

So, expect about 3 hours with normal use (wireless turned on, etc.) on the MacBook Air (still an impressive feat given the puny 37 W-h battery)

Thanks for the anecdotal evidence there. As all MR members know the only reason you ever go to the apple forums is 1) you have a problem or 2) you think you can help people with their problems (Mac wise anyway). You aren't going to find posts in the forums from users saying "Hey, I'm just posting this because my Mac is awesome and the battery life is awesome - Thanks Apple" ...
 
So just because AA has avoided bankruptcy makes all other airlines that haven't "third world?" Riiiiiight.

No, Useless Air has earned its third world status via years of hard work.


Easier said than done. My point is that MOST airlines don't provide adequate power (only in first class doesn't cut it), not just one or two airlines.

I'm just making a simple statement - if having a power outlet next to your seat is important to you, it's not hard to find an airline and a seat which provides that. Seatguru.com is only one of the possible options.

Instead, you'd rather NOT sit by a power outlet and then complain about it.

It's the same as people complaining about some feature of the MBA. If it doesn't suit your needs, buy something else. Instead, they'd rather whine about some feature that's 'missing'.

No product (either computers or airline seats) is ideal for everyone. You look at the options, choose the one that's best for you, and stop whining. Or, at least, that's what a rational person does.

uh.... i fly to europe from the states every 6 weeks for the past 5 years and i've NEVER seen power ports in coach. Multiple airlines too and huge planes.

seatguru.com
 
USB cell air card

What? You mean I have to buy my own screwdriver. That is ridiculous. They should include one. Not to mention that the RAM is soldered so I presume it comes with a solder gun.

Hope people realize I am kidding.

This is good news.

Wishes would be a 3rd party battery that could possibly provide even longer battery life.

The one thing that is holding me back is the lack of a internal cell card or a place to put a cell card. the only thing I would be stuck with is a USB cell card.

You ought to give one of the new USB cellular cards a try. I have one for work, a Novatel Sprint USB. It is extremely fast on my MacBook. Much faster than my slot loader I had on my PC. Even in non Evdo areas, it is still incredibly fast. I don't know what they did different, but it is a huge improvement over the old pc slot loader. Which mine was not that old, Rev A Evdo.

Just plug a pre-authorized USB card into your laptop and you are ready to go. No software needed on the Mac. True plug and play.
 
Apple sure loves their Phillips #0 screws.

Most users on the road would like a more easily swappable battery though. It's rather annoying to take the case off.

The main problem in my opinion. Not bitching here, but it's not a fixed solution to battery replacement while on the go. I can see this being a God send when your battery fouls up and you need to replace it yourself or send it back to Apple.

Now we know that IF we can buy a battery for the MBA we can replace it ourselves. I am OWC or some other 3rd party will be making batteries for the MBA soon... maybe even an innovative way to replace it while on the move.... which is what this book is intended for.

Is it possible to purchase an extra battery and how much?

Seems reasonable to do this in a hotel room when traveling; I'd be comfortable doing it in flight.

I would see this in a hotel room, but then you could just plug it into the socket.... the flight.... hmmm... I don't know about that one. I could see screws flying all over the place or even worse... :eek: A PC user with a Sony TZ or that new uber sweet 12" tablet laughing at how Apple users have to go through so much trouble to get their ultra portable up to the standards of the PC versions.

When you do get to screw your battery back in though... I am sure they will be amazed at the multi-touch trackpad and backlit keyboard.

Clearly you haven't been reading. these guys bitch about stuff they don't even intend to buy or have them as the target audience!

The problem with this statement is that most people will criticize something they don't intend to buy because there is something wrong with it in the first place. I WOULD be buying an iPhone but there are compromises I am not willing to make, so I will NOT buy it and criticize it.

As for the "market that we may not be in", it still doesn't matter because we could have been looking to go into that market once Apple took up the challenge, but then realized that Apple didn't go where we wanted them to go, or do what we wanted them to do. Like the iPhone, I wanted Apple to do certain things and they didn't, so I made my peace, stuck with Sprint, and still have options that are in some cases (not UI wise) better than the iPhone.

Apple needs to start making less expensive systems that aren't so niche. Folks, we are about to go into a major recession in the US and Apple only sells one system for under a thousand dollars. That is not a good recipe for an economic downturn. Forget about that battery.

I don't think it's a matter of less expensive systems at all. I helped a friend of mine price together a PC with a 19" monitor and the cost came to $1159 with a gig of RAM, a 320GB HDD, no FW400 ports, no bluetooth, no wifi, a single layer DVD burner, and a slow dual core AMD processor. Once he added the rebates and instant savings and the coupon he had the cost came down to $800, but he canceled the other rebate that was going on and couldn't get the 19" monitor for free, he had to get a 17" one instead.

Apple's prices are about standard, and their products aren't niche. The big issue is that Apple tries to please the middle of the line consumers... nothing on the low end and nothing on the high end. There are no 1.6GHz chips or outdated processors going into the desktop or laptop lines.
 
So those people that don't seem to think the battery could be a problem seem to argue that really you should only fly airlines that have power sockets available. I'm sorry, but I like to be able to use my portable laptop on any airline and wherever I go. Sometimes when I get off the plane I still have a long taxi or coach ride to go, I guess I should stop travelling by road since there's no power there? Also, I go to a lot of conferences where I end up sitting in the middle of a large theatre with a hundred other people or so. Again, no power sockets in the middle of these rooms so how can I use the Air there? Basically, you guys are saying that you should never go anywhere where there isn't a power socket!

The other point I've seen is this...

The only way you could use up that much power or "compute" for that long is by watching DVD's or something equally foolish.

Yes, god forbid that on a long boring plane journey anyone should do something as foolish as watching a DVD! I guess your "equally foolish" refers to doing anything that would stress the CPU in any way; a bit of Photoshopping, making a presentation, writing a document... you know, work. I guess we should just get on the plane, sit the laptop on the tray, turn the brightness down to minimum and then never actually touch the thing lest we use any CPU. Sure, that way you might get 3-4 hours battery life out it as you sit there bored out your skull but it's not very practical is it?

This is getting ludicrous so I'm not going to discuss this anymore. I've made my mind up. If using the ultraportable Air means never going anywhere where you can't have your laptop constantly plugged into power, and never using your laptop to do any actual work then I'll stick with the plain old MacBook. It may only be a portable rather than an ultraportable but it seems I can take it and use it in a lot more places than I can take the Air.
 
Don't forget conferences in the battery issue

It's very rare for larger conference rooms (50+ people or so) to have any attempt at providing power to the seats.

If you attend a couple of back-to-back keynotes, you could easily exceed the probable 2 1/2 hour battery life of the MacBook Cube Air.

Smaller meeting rooms aren't usually a problem - if the room was furnished in the last few years you might even find power and network outlet built into the tables.

So, six people in a meeting won't have a problem plugging in. Sixty or six hundred people - bring a spare battery if it's a long session.


The note about TSA banning batteries is just wrong.

I remember seeing on the net last week that the TSA is banning standalone lithium-ion batteries from airplanes. All lithium ion batteries have to be IN a device or you can't bring them along.

This statement is simply wrong - please check the facts before posting outlandish claims.

The new rules are online at: http://safetravel.dot.gov/whats_new_batteries.html

Briefly:
  • No "loose" battery packs in checked luggage - but it's OK to check devices with the batteries installed.
  • Any number of Lithium Ion batteries less than 100 WHr can be carried in your carryon bag
  • Only two loose batteries between 100 WHr and 300 WHr can be carried on

Since the 17" MBP battery is only 68 WHr (15" is 60 WHr, MB is 55 WHr), laptop users in general are not affected (except that loose spare batteries cannot be in checked luggage, must be in carryon).

Even the 9 cell extended battery for my Dell D620 is under 100 WHr - it's 85 WHr.

The new rules will primarily affect professional camera and video gear - the batteries for cameras and lights can be quite large.
 
Sounds fine at first glance. And, honestly, I could live with a machine with a reduced feature set, reduced battery life, reduced CPU power, and so on if only it didn't cost $700 more than the machine which has everything it lacks.

2 pounds lighter just isn't worth that much when you consider all that is lost for your extra $700.


Maybe the reduced weight and thickness is not worth it to you (maybe it's not even worth it to me to be honest!!) but Apple is betting that it IS worth it to enough people to make it worth them making the Macbook Air. I hope they're right. Although I hope they reduce the price more, I guess!

So yes, it costs more than a Macbook and lacks some features that the Macbook has. But, it has features that the Macbook lacks too - being lighter and thinner are the very features that the product is made for (I could also add the backlit keyboard and multi-touch trackpad, but hopefully one or both of those will get added to the Macbook at the next revision). I think these are just as valid as features as extra ports or optical drives are given the target market.

I just think people are getting too hung up on viewing the Macbook Air as a Macbook 'replacement' when it was clearly introduced as an addition to the range. It's good to see Apple offering more computer models, because it's an indication of the increasing market for macs if they can make the products available a little more diverse. Hopefully a mid-range headless desktop is next....
 
So those people that don't seem to think the battery could be a problem seem to argue that really you should only fly airlines that have power sockets available.

That's certainly not what I claimed.

I said that you decide what's important to you. If you feel that having power on a 14 hour flight is important, then you get a seat next to a power socket.

If you feel that replaceable batteries is necessary for you, then you buy a computer with replaceable batteries.

But if you feel that YOU need replaceable batteries, a computer without replaceable batteries is NOT BAD - it's just not right for you.

Similarly, if you need constant access to power, a seat without a power socket is not bad, it's just not for you.

Make up your mind what you need, buy it, and stop whining that products are also made for people who have different needs.
 
Ok I'm going to comment a little differently I hope.

According to the apple site the macbook air (I keep calling it the airbook for some reason) gives 5 hours wireless productivity. Now to me wireless productivity means more than browsing the web, this is streaming etc as this is what apple is advertising about the product (ie download music/video's from itunes rather than use an optical disk) which is inherently more battery intensive than just browsing the net.

The macbook gives 6 hours top's, most say about 4.5 hours with wifi on etc and browsing the net with average backlight settings iirc.

Now if you take that into account you could say that in theory the macbook air could give about 6.5hours (or even more) without wifi etc on doing basic things like word processing/powerpoint etc due to the lower power led display and 1.8" drive.

Now obviously playing back HD content or other similar cpu intensive tasks is going to run the battery down but if you want an ultra portable then its unlikely that you're going to be a heavy user of cpu intensive programs while on the go - so would really most likely be looking at the macbook pro and besides even that would last less time with h264 films.

Unfortunately at this time the only way to know for certain is to wait for benchmarks/reviews to come out and see how well it fairs.

From a personal perspective, I've never bought a second battery for a laptop to date (may change as time goes on), I hardly ever use the optical drive on it because of my nas (plus the optical drives are slower than my desktop) and the only concern I have is how often will the battery need replacing as if its yearly that could soon add up.

I also think that the people who will buy the macbook air are probably people who don't need the macbook pro but want a metal chassis, my mother hates the white plastic of the macbook, and I think metal is slightly harder wearing.
 
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