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I've already told him that my wife and I feel it is our responsibility to furnish our children with a functioning laptop for school work. Right now that means a $400 - $600 Windows machine. Anything over and above that price range, and the additional expense comes out of his own pocket, be it birthday, Christmas, pocket money, payment for chores etc.
 
Here's a interesting tidbit for those who think every kid needs a computer.

There are some schools in California, and they are like private$$$, the parents purposely don't allow computer in these schools, they don't think automation will help their kids academically or development.

Smart parents or Hippies? You decide.
 
Here's a interesting tidbit for those who think every kid needs a computer.

There are some schools in California, and they are like private$$$, the parents purposely don't allow computer in these schools, they don't think automation will help their kids academically or development.

Smart parents or Hippies? You decide.

Are they mutually exclusive?:confused:
 
I am baffled by the people who think teenagers are too young for computers, I mean, wow - suffering from cranky-grandpa-syndrome?
If he wants a Macbook Air,*if you can afford it, and if he takes care of his computers, why not give him that one.

perhaps you're baffled because you're not understanding the argument?
i don't see a single person in here claiming that "teenagers are too young for computers"

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Of course teenagers aren't too young for computers, but do you think it is necessary or a good idea for a 13 year old to have a $1000 laptop?

this. when i was a teenager, that's about what I paid for my first car.
 
I'm 17 in the UK so first year in college as we say in the UK :)

I have a 2011 MBA i5,128gb,4gb ram which I bought August 2012 for only £650 brand new from PcWorld as the new 2012 versions was been released to this day if I put this laptop on ebay I would lose a maximum of £50. So have a think about waiting until the 2013 versions come out and see if they do any good deals on the 2011/2012 versions?

Although I have grew up with computers. I had my first computer for playing games at the age of 4 this is partly due to my dad been a software developer so I've never knew different from computers. I now have a top end gaming pc for windows and 2011 MBA as well as some old computers in the corner like most computer nerd.

However I believe as my parents gave me the freedom on computers from such a young age, and yes my parents did monitor what I went on etc till about the age of 13/14 so don't say bad parenting :p, I think been brought up with computers helps you if this is what they want to do in the future like myself wanting to a be software developer like my father.

However, is a MBA needed? not really, why not say have a windows one for x years until you reach x age then I will buy you one when your a little older etc.. I know my parents wouldn't of even considered a Mac for me at that age that's also due to the fact though my dad can get hold of a better spec for like half the price.

Been good reading through all the comments and as a minor I thought I would add my thoughts, if you take notice it's up to you :)
 
I am a firm believer in giving people what they want instead of what I think they should have when it comes to gifts. If money is a concern you could tell him you have 400 -600 dollars for a computer & offer him the chance to possibly earn the rest doing extra chores. Alternatively, you could make the MBA his combo Christmas/ birthday gift. My family got me an MBA as an Xmas/ birthday gift & on my actual birthday got me inexpensive, token items to go with it. I was delighted.

Don't forget here that you will also be giving the gift of learning, if your son moves to an MBA, he'll need to learn the ins and outs of OS X, having a working knowledge of different operating systems at a young age will serve him well!

Find a way to work with him on this, you can really turn this one into a teaching experience that will draw you and your son even closer together. 13 is such a painful age for kids, this is a great parenting opportunity :)
 
I have a 13 year old. Learned GameSalad when he was 9. First app at 11. Made enough by 12 to buy a Retina MBP. He taught himself java, C, perl, Cocoa, etc, and a bunch of other stuff I cannot figure out. He just finished coding a new social network app with his friend that according to his mother looks better than Facebook (I don't use Facebook so I don't know how much better). It won a lot of prizes here where we live, and they bought server space to take it live over the summer. My point: if the kid has a true interest, and perhaps some talent and drive to make it happen, and the kid will be responsible with it (a big question in a 13 year old), go for it.
 
The thing is: when you gave him now a MacBook Air, what would be the next step? What is he going to strive for? When he's 18 he wants you to get him a Mercedes? Or he comes up to you saying: my iPhone 4s is too heavy. I need the iPhone 5.

I'm exaggerating of course but I feel like it's better to get him an ultrabook. Wait 3-4 years until getting him an MacBook. He'll survive it lol


I have a 13 year old. Learned GameSalad when he was 9. First app at 11. Made enough by 12 to buy a Retina MBP. He taught himself java, C, perl, Cocoa, etc, and a bunch of other stuff I cannot figure out. He just finished coding a new social network app with his friend that according to his mother looks better than Facebook (I don't use Facebook so I don't know how much better). It won a lot of prizes here where we live, and they bought server space to take it live over the summer. My point: if the kid has a true interest, and perhaps some talent and drive to make it happen, and the kid will be responsible with it (a big question in a 13 year old), go for it.

This is really great but does not have to do anything with a MacBook. Your son is into the whole theme and the OP's kid wants the Air mainly because of the coolness factor. .
 
I'm around the same age as him. I wouldn't get the Air.

The first computer I had was an iMac G4. It was roughly 9 years old when I got it. I survived. I don't see any need to get a computer as fast as the Air for a 13 year old. If his uses are 13-year old uses, he would be fine with one of the original or 2nd generation MB/MBPs.

Perhaps the Windows laptop he is currently on would seem less heavy if he was the one footing the bill for the new laptop.
 
Get him one it will last longer than most Windows laptops. I would recommend that you get some sort of accidental damage protection plan since it is for a 13 year old. It would be a shame to spend so much just to have it get dropped or broken.
 
Get him one it will last longer than most Windows laptops. I would recommend that you get some sort of accidental damage protection plan since it is for a 13 year old. It would be a shame to spend so much just to have it get dropped or broken.

The kid specifically asked for light and small and he's getting a indestructible tank. Wouldn't that be cruel? :D
 
I'd say get him an MBA with bootcamp. Offer him unix, shell, and excel assignments for extra allowance. If things go well, work your way up to simple Java, Android, IOS, and HTML coding.

Maybe a Lego Mindstorms set too for fun.

Who knows what will grow out of that?
 
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I'd say get him an MBA with bootcamp. Offer him unix, shell, and excel assignments for extra allowance. If things go well, work your way up to simple Java, Android, IOS, and HTML coding.

Maybe a Lego Mindstorms set too for fun.

Who knows what will grow out of that?

Mindstorms? Try a Kondo KRV-1 (bought at the Akihabara). He learned to program it himself. I haven't a clue.
 
Definitely some good thoughts in this thread.

Bottom line is at 13 kids can be very different. Some are irresponsible and careless and would manage to break an expensive computer (and I can think of a lot of kids who are much older than 13 who fit that description!) Some are extremely bright young entrepreneurs and inventors who would embrace and care for their equipment. On the flipside, a kid who has traditionally been pretty careless might start learning to take care of his equipment if he knew it was something really nice.

(Case in point: I just bought a new car last fall, and have been obsessively washing and detailing, driving super carefully, etc. I've washed this car more often than all my previous vehicles combined. Pride of ownership is driving me to arguably insane levels of care.)

I hope we've given the OP (and any other parent in a similar position) some good ideas. You're the best judge of character about your own kids. Any kid can use (and arguably deserves) good tools, it's a question of whether they are responsible enough for the most expensive ones.
 
When I was a freshman in high school (14-15 years old) and wanted a MBP my parents said too bad. I worked as a paper boy, soccer referee, and then got my first "real job" when I turned 15. I saved up about $800 and then borrowed the rest from my Dad, which I later paid back.

I'm not objecting to buying your son a MBA. However make him work for it. I realize he may not be able to find an actual job. Make him do housework like cutting the grass, shoveling snow (if applicable), painting, etc. I can guarantee that he will take 100% better care of a laptop he worked his butt off to get. Four years later, my MBP is still in great shape and is still very usable because I took the best care of it I could. I didn't want to see over a summer of work go down the drain. Just my opinion though
 
Here's the way I see it

He doesn't need a Macbook Air. Most people don't.

However if he wants one, but you don't want to spend that much money then come to a compromise. I think it's a good idea to pay what you would have paid for a cheaper Windows laptop and then have him make up the rest. It will probably take him a while to come up with that kind of money, but if he really wants one then I think this is the best course of action.

Macs are great computers and IMO are almost worth the price tag, but there are other good+cheaper alternatives out there. Maybe ask him specifically why he needs a Mac and ask him to explain why another ultrabook alternative wouldn't be sufficient. If it turns out he mostly just wants the Mac because it's trendy and cool then it might not be the best route to go.
 
I think you need to buy the 13" MB Air for your kid because lord knows, having to carry anything heavy is torture. If you have the money then please, spend it.
 
I think you need to buy the 13" MB Air for your kid because lord knows, having to carry anything heavy is torture. If you have the money then please, spend it.

Hahaha. This is why my first choice for junior high band was the flute.

Unfortunately my second choice was trombone... guess which one I ended up getting to carry everywhere.
 
When I was 10 all I wanted was a Mac. I told my parents that it was all I wanted for my birthday and I can safely say that it was the best gift they ever gave me. I was able to have the freedom and ability to explore the internet and to become the person I am today. Due to the ability that having a Mac gave to me, I have become a much smarter person. I was able to spend time reading articles all over the web and consequently is what helped me to go from being a student in special ed English class to AP English. It is without a doubt that having a MacBook as a resource helped me improve my language arts skills and also build incredible projects that wowed my teachers. This is an amazing tool and I can't encourage you enough to buy him a Mac. The Mac I got lasted me a solid and reliable 4 1/2 years and I can guarantee you that any 600$-800$ PC will not do the same (which would actually make the end outcome cheaper).
 
When I was 10 all I wanted was a Mac. I told my parents that it was all I wanted for my birthday and I can safely say that it was the best gift they ever gave me. I was able to have the freedom and ability to explore the internet and to become the person I am today. Due to the ability that having a Mac gave to me, I have become a much smarter person. I was able to spend time reading articles all over the web and consequently is what helped me to go from being a student in special ed English class to AP English. It is without a doubt that having a MacBook as a resource helped me improve my language arts skills and also build incredible projects that wowed my teachers. This is an amazing tool and I can't encourage you enough to buy him a Mac. The Mac I got lasted me a solid and reliable 4 1/2 years and I can guarantee you that any 600$-800$ PC will not do the same (which would actually make the end outcome cheaper).

Because you can't surf the web with other computers? Sorry, I don't mean to be sarcastic but I simply don't understand this logic. If you said, you had started programming XCode I could understand but reading articles? I agree that the MacBook might last longer BUT most of the time it's always depending on the user how long a gadget lasts.
 
Simple answer to your question, it depends.

Personally, I don't give a crap about the "push kids to get fresh air and do fun stuff outside instead of sit around inside" argument. Some kids like being outdoors. Some kids don't. Some kids like both. And so on. There is nothing wrong with not liking the outdoors or vice versa. I prefer being indoors in a dark room writing code to being outdoors playing sports (a waste of time).

Also, the responsibility argument, the "I just want what's cool" argument, the "spoiled brat" argument, etc. it's all subjective because none of us know your 13 year old as well as you do (I hope). When I have kids, I will make them work for things. It teaches kids that you need to earn things in life and you can't just simply ask and receive. So before you think about getting him (or her?) any new computer (or anything in life), first think about what messages, ideals, morals, etc. you want to send. If you're like my Dad, who wanted to expose me to computers, you would teach him how to build his own computer. If you want him to learn responsibility, work for things in life, make some of deal with him. Get straight A's, do chores, get a job, etc. to earn a MBA. And so on. You're his father. You're supposed to raise him to be a good man.
 
When I was 10 all I wanted was a Mac. I told my parents that it was all I wanted for my birthday and I can safely say that it was the best gift they ever gave me. I was able to have the freedom and ability to explore the internet and to become the person I am today. Due to the ability that having a Mac gave to me, I have become a much smarter person. I was able to spend time reading articles all over the web and consequently is what helped me to go from being a student in special ed English class to AP English. It is without a doubt that having a MacBook as a resource helped me improve my language arts skills and also build incredible projects that wowed my teachers. This is an amazing tool and I can't encourage you enough to buy him a Mac. The Mac I got lasted me a solid and reliable 4 1/2 years and I can guarantee you that any 600$-800$ PC will not do the same (which would actually make the end outcome cheaper).

No offense but this just sounds like non sense written by a teenager
 
Simple answer to your question, it depends.

Personally, I don't give a crap about the "push kids to get fresh air and do fun stuff outside instead of sit around inside" argument. Some kids like being outdoors. Some kids don't. Some kids like both. And so on. There is nothing wrong with not liking the outdoors or vice versa. I prefer being indoors in a dark room writing code to being outdoors playing sports (a waste of time).

Also, the responsibility argument, the "I just want what's cool" argument, the "spoiled brat" argument, etc. it's all subjective because none of us know your 13 year old as well as you do (I hope). When I have kids, I will make them work for things. It teaches kids that you need to earn things in life and you can't just simply ask and receive. So before you think about getting him (or her?) any new computer (or anything in life), first think about what messages, ideals, morals, etc. you want to send. If you're like my Dad, who wanted to expose me to computers, you would teach him how to build his own computer. If you want him to learn responsibility, work for things in life, make some of deal with him. Get straight A's, do chores, get a job, etc. to earn a MBA. And so on. You're his father. You're supposed to raise him to be a good man.

not that i necessarily disagree or disapprove of anything you've said specifically (other than the fact that i don't think sports are a 'waste of time'), another thing you'll likely do when you have kids is roll your eyes at people who talk about what they will or won't do when they have kids :p
 
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