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The M1 was based on A14 and was released after the iPhones.
M1 was not based on A13 was it?

In the same way if M2 releases after iPhones with A16 it will have A16 arch.
 
It's not because the single core is the same as M1 with the same clock speed as M1.

M1 Pro/Max are based on 5nm, not 5nm+.

I already explained above, clock increase is one choice. Power reduction is another. Which one makes more sense for a mobile device?
 
I already explained above, clock increase is one choice. Power reduction is another. Which one makes more sense for a mobile device?

Its funny you say that because Apple increased the clock speed for A15 from 2.99Ghz to 3.2Ghz. But it did not for performance oriented laptops.

Lets face it M1 Pro/Max is still on 5nm.
 
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The M1 was based on A14 and was released after the iPhones.
M1 was not based on A13 was it?

In the same way if M2 releases after iPhones with A16 it will have A16 arch.

It's never that simple.

Architecture is tied to the process node. A15 die size is 22% larger than A14. Who knows how much bigger is A16. Apple only has access to 4nm for 2022. They can't make a notebook or desktop CPU if it becomes too big. So it's not as simple as, "if M2 releases after iPhones with A16 it will have A16 arch."
 
I can't see Apple releasing an M2 product and then releasing an M1 'Ultra' product (eg. iMac Pro or Mac Pro with more CPU/GPU cores)
 
Its funny you say that because Apple increased the clock speed for A15 from 2.99Ghz to 3.2Ghz. But it did not for performance oriented laptops.

Lets face it M1 Pro/Max is still on 5nm.

Hopefully, you understand the math and finer details.

M1 Max = 85W (55W GPU + 30W CPU). 10% = 8.5W. Apple chooses -10% power for M1 Max.

A14 = 6W. 10% = 0.6W. Apple chooses +5% frequency for A15.

Different products have different priorities.
 
Not true! A10 was based on 16nm from TSMC and A10X was on based 10nm from TSMC.

You're talking about going down in die size.

I'm talking about going up. M1 is already 121 mm2. M2 based on A15 would be around 146 mm2. Can you imagine how big A16-based M-processor would be?

TSMC CEO said there is no 3nm finished product coming out until Q1 2023.
 
I don't rly know what the consensus is on that , although nobody can know really .

should we at least expect something before 2023?

I'd grab a M1 rn but if the m2 launches In like 3 months id be pissed ,as I want the MBA redesign quite badly ...

resale value kinda sucks where I live sadly
We can expect something brand new this year for sure. Personally, it would be nice if the newly redesigned MacBook Air M2's came before the back to school season, but all available information points to October timeframe.
 
The New Macbook Air will be released in April/May of this year with a June time shipping date. It will be called "Macbook" with a 15" thin and light form factor to pay homage to the "Macbook Air"

Do you realize TSMC N4 hasn't entered volume production? ?

It will take 4-5 months from wafer start to finished chips.
 
The New Macbook Air will be released in April/May of this year with a June time shipping date. It will be called "Macbook" with a 15" thin and light form factor to pay homage to the "Macbook Air"
Current MacBook Air's are still selling great + M2 just after the announce of a M1 Max iMac doesn't seem likely at all. October seems like the right date for a M2 MacBook.
 
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+1 for October Air release. Don't get your hopes UP because that is the Apple. I mean it will be better in single-core for sure, but it will take 2-4 years for Air to catch up with the current M1 Pro or Max.
Just think about how slow Air was to acquire quad-core instead of dual core in the intel world. Then think how slow the cheap MBP 13 was to acquire touch-bar and quad-core, while upper base 13 ($1800) had it long time ago. I am not speaking about MBP 15, which had quad-cores from dinosaur eras.
Overall, the most power will be after MBP 14/16 for the next 2-4 years, then Airs/$1300 Pros will be allowed to catch-up with the current 14/16. But at that time, 14/16 will be again leaps forward ahead.
 
+1 for October Air release. Don't get your hopes UP because that is the Apple. I mean it will be better in single-core for sure, but it will take 2-4 years for Air to catch up with the current M1 Pro or Max.
Just think about how slow Air was to acquire quad-core instead of dual core in the intel world. Then think how slow the cheap MBP 13 was to acquire touch-bar and quad-core, while upper base 13 ($1800) had it long time ago. I am not speaking about MBP 15, which had quad-cores from dinosaur eras.
Overall, the most power will be after MBP 14/16 for the next 2-4 years, then Airs/$1300 Pros will be allowed to catch-up with the current 14/16. But at that time, 14/16 will be again leaps forward ahead.
ye well,unless they underclok the m2 chip ,I don't rly see how u can say that .

if it comes with a15 arch it'll have 15-20% improvements ,putting it VERY close to the mbp 14" base 8c .

I'd it's based on a16 which some people round here believe (although doubting that myself ) then I cannot see how the m2 wouldn't destroy the M1 pro

at least from a benchmark standpoint and.in CPU that is
 
+1 for October Air release. Don't get your hopes UP because that is the Apple. I mean it will be better in single-core for sure, but it will take 2-4 years for Air to catch up with the current M1 Pro or Max.
Just think about how slow Air was to acquire quad-core instead of dual core in the intel world. Then think how slow the cheap MBP 13 was to acquire touch-bar and quad-core, while upper base 13 ($1800) had it long time ago. I am not speaking about MBP 15, which had quad-cores from dinosaur eras.
Overall, the most power will be after MBP 14/16 for the next 2-4 years, then Airs/$1300 Pros will be allowed to catch-up with the current 14/16. But at that time, 14/16 will be again leaps forward ahead.
Intel 12th gen pushed single core score to 1900+. And Intel 13th gen will release early next year on 7nm and 14th gen late 2023 on 3nm. We may expect another 40% improved on next 2 gen Intel CPU. If M2 macbook air fail to achieve single core score 1900+ or even 2000+, M2 Macbook Pro will be in a very awkward situation. I think that is why Apple decided to release M2 devices later this year instead of spring. Most likely M2 Macbook Air will leave all M1 devices single core performance in dust. Multi cores performance will be slightly better than base model 14 Pro and GPU is much worse.
 
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