MacBook Anticipation

[QPlot]

I will really really want to buy one when they do come out, and I will have to restrain myself, but I know I must wait for the first revision. I stick to the common wisdom that is also used when buying redesigned cars; to wait at least one year. So the sooner they come out with the intel iBook, the sooner the revision, with many of the corrected bugs of the new design, will be released. I am hoping that the first revision won't take a year. Not to mention, Leopard my be released by then as well.

you must be really suffering recently,

 

[BlizzardBomb]

Every single combination? I'm talking about a whopping 2 choices of size!

Apple has had, in the past, 2 sizes of ibook and 3 sizes of powerbook. That's all I'm advocating for. Just change the 12" to 13" and the 14" to 15" and all is well.

1 size of macbook and 2 sizes of MBP is way too few choices. There's no conceptual reason apple couldn't have 13" and 15" models in both the pro and consumer lines, and it would be no more "complicated" than the last revision of G4s.

Personally, I think its great. Remember how many iBook vs. 12" PowerBook threads there were? They were too close in price and too close in features.

P.S. It would be funny if the Apple Store went down and all they did was remove the PowerBooks or something else really minor

 

[milo]

Apple has had, in the past, 2 sizes of ibook and 3 sizes of powerbook. That's all I'm advocating for. Just change the 12" to 13" and the 14" to 15" and all is well.

Sure, they should ship the exact sizes YOU want. You don't think there are people out there who want 12 or 14 or 16 or 11? We're talking about an inch here. If you absolutely must have 14, get a Pro. For most people, one inch isn't going to make much difference.

Obviously apple can make as many sizes and configurations as they want. But it's simpler and cheaper to make fewer sizes. It makes sense that they'll have more choices on the high end units, and less configurations on the budget models.

I stick to the common wisdom that is also used when buying redesigned cars; to wait at least one year.

A year? By then they'll have another redesign with a new set of bugs. You'll only have to wait a month or two, if that. The macbook is already on the fourth or fifth revision, they can make fixes on these things fast.

 

[Boggle]

Thank you very much. Hmmm, I wonder what happens if I tell the pigeon "Sie haben einen schönen Busen". .

It all depends on the tone. if spoken in a soft milkmadish lilt, it will probably nestle and coo, if spoken stern and sharp like a house--frau, exxpect rapid fire beek-first busen deflation.

As to the question of if the macbook will be realeased tomorrow. I've given up anticipation. Having spent a month or so looking @ websites like this, the situation reminds me of my old job in public affairs. Sit in on meetings and try to infer a specific plan of action based on the vague and innocuous comments of people who don't work for you.

That doesn't stop me from hoping for the Macbook release, it just means I've stopped allowing myself to get excited enough to be let down when the announcement doesn't happen.

As for what I want...I want future-profing. I want as small a scrren as possible. And I want to have it b4 June. - (in that order). Although the QTV for Remote Desktop 3 has me reconsidering the Dual Masters thing and becoming a 20th level half-elven, Thief / Web Master, from Waterdeep.

 

[BlizzardBomb]

A year? By then they'll have another redesign with a new set of bugs. You'll only have to wait a month or two, if that. The macbook is already on the fourth or fifth revision, they can make fixes on these things fast.

Those are bug revisions which are silent. I think he's talking about feature revisions, e.g. Faster processor, larger hard drives and so on. Those happen roughly every 4 - 8 months.

 

[crazydrumma]

I'm not waiting...

I am going to buy a laptop for college come June, and I will not be getting a macbook, even if it comes out by then. I have decided to go for the Macbook pro 1.83 gig anyway, simply because I want to get something that will hold me through all of college, and I don't want to be waiting for over a month for the "Macbook" to ship.

 

[j26]

Sure, they should ship the exact sizes YOU want. You don't think there are people out there who want 12 or 14 or 16 or 11? We're talking about an inch here. If you absolutely must have 14, get a Pro. For most people, one inch isn't going to make much difference.

Obviously apple can make as many sizes and configurations as they want. But it's simpler and cheaper to make fewer sizes. It makes sense that they'll have more choices on the high end units, and less configurations on the budget models.

But he's not talking about having a load of different sizes
He's talking about 13", 15" and 17". That's 3 configurations.

Personally I prefer smaller, so if I'm going for a laptop, I'll go for the 13". I'd like the choice between a MB and a MBP, it's not such a biggie for me as I plan to get an iMac for heavy lifting, but it is vital for some people.
Sure, cripple the MB a little, put in smaller chips, but there should be 2 sizes of MB, and pros should have the full choice. A good number of pros will choose the 13" MBP for the max portability (why should they be forced to lug something larger around if they don't want to), and a good number of students and consumers will want a larger MB without having to pay pro prices.

While it make sense from a production point of view to have less variations, ultimately a business will only thrive if it satisfies the customer. Don't rule things out because you see no need for them.

 

[jne381]

A year? By then they'll have another redesign with a new set of bugs. You'll only have to wait a month or two, if that. The macbook is already on the fourth or fifth revision, they can make fixes on these things fast.

I don't think it will take a year to for a corrected version of the new iBook to appear either, although one wonders when you look at how long it has been taking them to get this one out, but I expect it to take 4 to 6 months to do it right. I think it will be a good time to buy whenever they decide to bump up the processor speed. This has usually taken the 4 to 6 months in the past.

I do wonder how good the corrections made to the MacBook Pro have been in actually correcting the issues that have been reported. If I hear good things, perhaps I will buy before the official upgrade.

 

[milo]

Those are bug revisions which are silent. I think he's talking about feature revisions, e.g. Faster processor, larger hard drives and so on. Those happen roughly every 4 - 8 months.

Yes, that's exactly what both he and I meant. He specifically mentioned bug fixes. Those come along quietly in a matter of weeks, waiting a year for hardware bug fixes is way overkill and possibly counterproductive.

But he's not talking about having a load of different sizes
He's talking about 13", 15" and 17". That's 3 configurations.

I think there will be three pro sizes, I've said that already. And I'm simply saying that fewer sizes are simpler and cheaper, not that ANY number is "a lot" or "few".

I don't rule things out because I see no need for them, I rule them out because the rumors say that's what's going to happen.

I don't think it will take a year to for a corrected version of the new iBook to appear either, although one wonders when you look at how long it has been taking them to get this one out, but I expect it to take 4 to 6 months to do it right.

It really hasn't taken that long yet. Don't forget, they're updating their entire product line, their last major release (the mini) was only six weeks ago. I don't think it will take any longer to "get right" than any other intel mac, probably will be even quicker.

 

[QCassidy352]

Sure, they should ship the exact sizes YOU want. You don't think there are people out there who want 12 or 14 or 16 or 11? We're talking about an inch here. If you absolutely must have 14, get a Pro. For most people, one inch isn't going to make much difference.

Obviously apple can make as many sizes and configurations as they want. But it's simpler and cheaper to make fewer sizes. It makes sense that they'll have more choices on the high end units, and less configurations on the budget models.

No, actually, those aren't the sizes I want. I think the 17" is a monstrosity and should be discontinued. I also have no preference for 13" over 12". If they want to do 12" instead of 13" or 14" instead of 15" I don't care. I'm just saying offer choices. People like choices, believe it or not.

I'm also not talking about one inch; I'm talking about 2". The rumors are for just one size of MB: 13". I'm saying there should be a 13" and a 15". That's a 2 inch difference.

Sure, fewer options is simpler and cheaper. So why not just offer one laptop and one desktop? Because although simplicity is nice, people have different wants and requirements.

I really think you're not getting this. I'm not suggesting that apple makes a dozen different models in every possible configuration. I'm saying offer *some* range of options. You honestly think having 2 sizes of pro laptop, none smaller than 15", and 1 size of consumer laptop, 13", is smart?? I see people using 15" consumer PC laptops all day long; there's definitely a demand for something reasonably cheap but bigger than 13".

edit: the rumors say the 13" macbook will replace the 12" ibook, the 14" ibook, and the 12" powerbook. So the rumors suggest there will be only 2 sizes of MBP.

 

[Legacy]

Final Predictions...

I do think we may see new things tomorrow...so here are my final words before the iBook is announced:

Model 1 $999 Replaces the 12" iBook - Education Oriented

Intel Core Duo 1.66Ghz Processor
512MB RAM
40GB Hard Drive
Intel GMA950 Graphics
CD-RW/DVD Combo Drive
13.3" Screen

Model 2 $1299 - Apple's new compact, mainstream consumer notebook.

Same as above but with 60GB HD, Superdrive, iSight and Front Row

Model 3 $1499 (Possibility, but I wont be certain of this...) Replaces the 12" Powerbook, for Pro's who need power but also portability.

Same as model 2, but 80GB HD and dedicated Radeon X1400 128MB GPU

Regards...

 

[pavetheforest]

Tell Me I'm Wrong

Tired of speculation. I have a reliable source telling me that the new macBooks will not come out tomorrow. That source is Apple corp- and based off of the past few months waiting for them...and getting a sound dock instead. I'd say June and after june rolls on through, I'll say july and if july has the nerve to pass without an new notebook, never...and my dell will eat my future children.

 

[monkeyandy]

I do think we may see new things tomorrow...so here are my final words before the iBook is announced:

Model 1 $999 Replaces the 12" iBook - Education Oriented

Intel Core Duo 1.66Ghz Processor
512MB RAM
40GB Hard Drive
Intel GMA950 Graphics
CD-RW/DVD Combo Drive
13.3" Screen

Model 2 $1299 - Apple's new compact, mainstream consumer notebook.

Same as above but with 60GB HD, Superdrive, iSight and Front Row

Model 3 $1499 (Possibility, but I wont be certain of this...) Replaces the 12" Powerbook, for Pro's who need power but also portability.

Same as model 2, but 80GB HD and dedicated Radeon X1400 128MB GPU

Regards...

I think your pretty close other than they all will have isight, bluetooth & wireless. And you can prettty much scrap model 2. I'm sure they will have two models. A higher end MacBook to replace the 12" Powerbook, and a low end cheap one for education, etc! Other than that pretty spot on mate!

I hope they are tomorrow not holding out too much hope though!

 

[Legacy]

I think your pretty close other than they all will have isight, bluetooth & wireless. And you can prettty much scrap model 2. I'm sure they will have two models. A higher end MacBook to replace the 12" Powerbook, and a low end cheap one for education, etc! Other than that pretty spot on mate!

I hope they are tomorrow not holding out too much hope though!

Yeah BT and AP dont really need mentioning hehe ...but I think its gonna be hard gettin an isight n' front row into a 999 machine...so I suspect they MAY decide to not have it in that model..who knows? Thats my two pence anyway

 

[dornoforpyros]

these damn laptops are suppose to have been released pretty much every tuesday since January...

 

[macgeek2005]

I think your pretty close other than they all will have isight, bluetooth & wireless. And you can prettty much scrap model 2. I'm sure they will have two models. A higher end MacBook to replace the 12" Powerbook, and a low end cheap one for education, etc! Other than that pretty spot on mate!

I hope they are tomorrow not holding out too much hope though!

Change that to "But I'm not holding out ANY hope" and that'll be more accurate. They are not coming out tommorow. It's just not happening. Beginning of june at the earliest.

 

[daschim]

Every single combination? I'm talking about a whopping 2 choices of size!

Apple has had, in the past, 2 sizes of ibook and 3 sizes of powerbook. That's all I'm advocating for. Just change the 12" to 13" and the 14" to 15" and all is well.

1 size of macbook and 2 sizes of MBP is way too few choices. There's no conceptual reason apple couldn't have 13" and 15" models in both the pro and consumer lines, and it would be no more "complicated" than the last revision of G4s.

I agree. Am I the only one that thinks 13" are to small. There should at least be 2 sizes. I hope for a 15" ibook/macbook. I want to replace my desktop pc ... so I want a little more than a 13" screen.

 

[DimFlicker]

I do think we may see new things tomorrow...so here are my final words before the iBook is announced:

Model 1 $999 Replaces the 12" iBook - Education Oriented

Intel Core Duo 1.66Ghz Processor
512MB RAM
40GB Hard Drive
Intel GMA950 Graphics
CD-RW/DVD Combo Drive
13.3" Screen

Model 2 $1299 - Apple's new compact, mainstream consumer notebook.

Same as above but with 60GB HD, Superdrive, iSight and Front Row

Model 3 $1499 (Possibility, but I wont be certain of this...) Replaces the 12" Powerbook, for Pro's who need power but also portability.

Same as model 2, but 80GB HD and dedicated Radeon X1400 128MB GPU

Regards...

SO my only incentive for spending an extra grand is a DVD burner, bigger harddrive, and dediated video? No way little guy has to be core solo.

My guess is model one is identicual to 12 ibook now only add core solo, isight, and front row. Next one up same only with super drive, and then the third one that will have a core duo.. but still if thats only at $1499 why buy a macbook Pro?

 

[Legacy]

SO my only incentive for spending an extra grand is a DVD burner, bigger harddrive, and dediated video? No way little guy has to be core solo.

My guess is model one is identicual to 12 ibook now only add core solo, isight, and front row. Next one up same only with super drive, and then the third one that will have a core duo.. but still if thats only at $1499 why buy a macbook Pro?

You get a 15.4" Screen with the MB Pro, a X1600 GPU, not X1400 or GMA, not to mention as you say more hard drive space etc;. Apple cant flog a Core Solo for £899/$1299, thats crazy - given the duo costs like 30$ more. The design of the MB Pro is pro, backlit keys etc, brighter displays these are all factors IMO

 

[j26]

SO my only incentive for spending an extra grand is a DVD burner, bigger harddrive, and dediated video? No way little guy has to be core solo.

My guess is model one is identicual to 12 ibook now only add core solo, isight, and front row. Next one up same only with super drive, and then the third one that will have a core duo.. but still if thats only at $1499 why buy a macbook Pro?

With Yonah chips to fall in price, why not see the MBP get a speed bump to 2.0 and 2.16 wih a bto of a 2.33. That would keep a decent differential. A 1.66 on the MB and 2.0-2.33 on the pro.
I'd imagine Superdrive would only be a bto option (someone speccing it up to pro level)

Remember, there wasn't much in the iBook and PowerBook in the recent past.

 

[SirOmega]

I do think we may see new things tomorrow...so here are my final words before the iBook is announced:

Model 1 $999 Replaces the 12" iBook - Education Oriented

Intel Core Duo 1.66Ghz Processor
512MB RAM
40GB Hard Drive
Intel GMA950 Graphics
CD-RW/DVD Combo Drive
13.3" Screen

Model 2 $1299 - Apple's new compact, mainstream consumer notebook.

Same as above but with 60GB HD, Superdrive, iSight and Front Row

Model 3 $1499 (Possibility, but I wont be certain of this...) Replaces the 12" Powerbook, for Pro's who need power but also portability.

Same as model 2, but 80GB HD and dedicated Radeon X1400 128MB GPU

Regards...

I'm inclined to think the following:
$999: Core Solo 1.66Ghz, 512MB DDR2, 60GB HD, 13.3", Integrated graphics, CDRW/DVD
$1299: Core Duo 1.66Ghz, 512MB DDR2, 60GB HD, 13.3", Integrated graphics, CDRW/DVD
$1499: Core Duo 1.66Ghz, 512MB DDR2, 80GB HD, 13.3", X1300 Radeon Mobile, DVD Burner, misc other stuff ** (this model not shipping immediately)

 

[aswitcher]

Wonder if Digg or AppleInsider will gte the dirt prior to the release again...

 

[sam10685]

I do think we may see new things tomorrow...so here are my final words before the iBook is announced:

Model 1 $999 Replaces the 12" iBook - Education Oriented

Intel Core Duo 1.66Ghz Processor
512MB RAM
40GB Hard Drive
Intel GMA950 Graphics
CD-RW/DVD Combo Drive
13.3" Screen

Model 2 $1299 - Apple's new compact, mainstream consumer notebook.

Same as above but with 60GB HD, Superdrive, iSight and Front Row

Model 3 $1499 (Possibility, but I wont be certain of this...) Replaces the 12" Powerbook, for Pro's who need power but also portability.

Same as model 2, but 80GB HD and dedicated Radeon X1400 128MB GPU

Regards...

i think that those are nice specs but another $200 should get u more than just a 20 gig. bigger hd and a beefed up GPU. (in the jump from model 2 to model 3.) i think u'll also get more RAM and/or a slightly faster Core Duo.

 

[Legacy]

I'm inclined to think the following:
$999: Core Solo 1.66Ghz, 512MB DDR2, 60GB HD, 13.3", Integrated graphics, CDRW/DVD
$1299: Core Duo 1.66Ghz, 512MB DDR2, 60GB HD, 13.3", Integrated graphics, CDRW/DVD
$1499: Core Duo 1.66Ghz, 512MB DDR2, 80GB HD, 13.3", X1300 Radeon Mobile, DVD Burner, misc other stuff ** (this model not shipping immediately)

You cant sell a notebook without a DVD burner for £900 GBP...not when you can get one for £400...thats just crazy...im sorry but paying £700 for a computer without one is kinda bad enough...

 

[MrCrowbar]

A link has been posted on Page 2, but I thought the picture fits in here well:

The poster of this on MacBidouille (http://www.macbidouille.com/news/2006-04-12/#12625) sais it's his vision of the upcoming Macbook so it is NOT a leaked image, it's just a photoshopped iBook with the rumored features.

This guy also pointed out some possible facts about the size (translated by me, native french speaker):

With a 16/9 screen (1280x720), the following dimensions of the whole thing would be 13,3'' in diagonal, 6,52'' high, 11,59'' wide. This compares ti the current 12'' iBook with 12,1'' diagonyl, 4/3 screen (1024x768), height: 7,2'', width 9,68''.
So that would make a unit 0,74'' smaller in hegiht and larger by 1,91''.

EDIT: Why do my posts always go on the bottom of the page? :-(