Macbook booting up strangely! HD or RAM? Help Please!

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  1. szlachta28 macrumors newbie

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    I have a 2007 Macbook (black) intel core 2 duo 2.2 with snow leopard.

    Last week, I noticed that it takes very long to boot up from a cold start. It starts off normally, but then is stuck at the blue screen (before the option to put in your password) for at least 8 min (not exaggerating). Once it loads to OSX, it works normally. I also have a boot camp partition with xp, and that loads as it always had.

    I have tried running every trick I can think of:

    Disk utility - repair permissions, repair disk
    iDefrag - full online defragmentation
    Resetting the PRAM and SMC
    Disk Warrior check

    I went to the genius bar, but they weren't sure what it was. All the diagnostics checked out. He said it was either the hard drive going, or the macbook suddenly rejecting the 3rd party RAM (that has been working fine for 3 years now). I made a copy of my hard drive on an external and booted from there. It still took as long as it did before.

    The apple genius was convinced it was the hard drive failing at the beginning of the drive, but if I made a copy of the hard drive on the external, wouldn't it go somewhat faster?

    Is there any way to be certain that its the HDD or RAM?

    Thanks in advance guys!
     
  2. miles01110 macrumors Core

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    Replace the RAM, boot up. Replace the hard drive, boot up. If either one of those changes the behavior for the better, it's the removed part that's probably the issue.
     
  3. szlachta28 thread starter macrumors newbie

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    I don't have any spare laptop hard drives or RAM, though. Other than going out and buying one, hoping that it's the one that needs replacing, is there any other way to tell?
     
  4. miles01110 macrumors Core

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    Not really. You could try booting from a disc to see if that's any faster.
     
  5. szlachta28 thread starter macrumors newbie

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    Yeah, I tried booting from the install disk and from a copy of the hard drive on an external, and booting always took a long time on the blue screen on any of them. When I tried to boot in safe mode, after the progress bar went through (loading safe mode i'm assuming), it was somewhat faster.

    When I did disk repair, there were some errors, but it said it fixed them, and disk permissions differed, but it said it was fixed as well.

    If it was a hard drive problem, would the copy of the hard drive on the external have the same problems (due to possibly corrupted HD)?
     
  6. QuarterSwede macrumors G3

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    Does it boot quickly to the boot menu (hold option)? You said it boots fine into Windows but not into OS X. My guess is that something is borked with your OS X install. I'd do a fresh install and see if you still have long boot times. If not restore from backup. If you have long times after then, then you need to manually move things over.
     
  7. szlachta28 thread starter macrumors newbie

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    I have reinstalled Snow leopard (just by double clicking install when I inserted the disk) and I have restored from a previous time machine backup (from at least a month before the problem arose).

    To get to the option menu at boot is at normal speed. Just loading OSX from any medium (internal HDD, external HDD w/o internal HDD plugged in, OSX disk) always hangs up on the blue screen, which (from what I recall) should only take a second or two as it is going from the grey screen with apple logo to screen where you type in your password.

    OSX works fine once its loaded, as if there is nothing wrong. It's just start up going slow at blue screen and also opening the macbook after it was shut (going to sleep) will stay at a screen thats off and the white standby light that glows in the front just stays on. For waking up the macbook, I usually have to force shutdown, then boot again for 8 min.
     
  8. QuarterSwede macrumors G3

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    Hmmm. In that case I'd probably see if a Genius could replace the RAM temporarily just to see if that fixes your issue. If you're having sleep issues it could definitely be the RAM. Either way, memory issues (RAM or HDD) can cause really odd behavior so you're probably correct that it's one of the two.
     
  9. szlachta28 thread starter macrumors newbie

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    So....

    I originally had 2x2gb of ddr2 Patriot Ram.

    I went out and got a 1gb stick from best buy (PNY)

    When I took out the old ram, to put in the 1gb stick, the computer would not boot altogether (screen stayed off and didnt get a startup chime)

    I put in a new 1gb stick with an old 2gb one, and it loaded up like it has been (8 min on the blue screen)

    Does this show that it's a HDD problem?
     
  10. szlachta28 thread starter macrumors newbie

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    So now, I ordered a new HDD, just installed leopard from the disk, and the boot is still taking forever. I am at a loss..

    Does anyone have an idea what is going on or how to make my macbook work normally?
     
  11. szlachta28 thread starter macrumors newbie

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    Also... (im not sure if this helps explain what is going on) When i installed snow leopard on the new hard drive, it was on the blue screen for a long time, and then I heard the "welcome" video that mac osx plays, but it didnt show it just stayed on the blue screen for a long time. Eventually it changed to show the login options....


    Any input would be helpful :confused:

    Thanks
     

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