it's ok i contacted them this morning from the apple store with the online chat and he happily got the technical support team to email me witch i am now dealing with.
Though i must say for such a company not to have easy to access email addressees is so last century, i do no deal with phones.
I will also add i am very disappointed with the members of this forum of late, if someone says the can't do something one way don't keep telling them to do it that way. This i have noticed on my of the topics in this forum that a lot of members will keep persisting to tell the person asking for help to do something that they have already said is impossible.