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iPad Pro MacBook Neo - Slap in the face to iPad/iPad Pro users! No Excuses!

Maven1975 said:
Apple... [Insert Two Words Here]!!!
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Calm down.

Tablets, laptops, and phones are similar but different animals.

I bought a hp and lenovo hybrid laptop, thinking I'd use the touchscreens.

I literally never did.

Don't want to finger my beautiful studio display. But I'd love an overpriced, over engineered ipad pro with a $350 keyboard attachment. And if my buddy or son or mom needed an affordable laptop, I'd tell them they'd be a fool to buy something other than the neo.
 
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Abazigal said:
I have zero desire for the iPad to run macOS, and I don’t believe in devices running multiple OSes that you can dual boot into either. Settle on one desired experience, and optimise your device around that.

That the iPad can support a desktop OS doesn’t mean it should, and it’s a hill I am prepared to die on.
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And the market has spoken on tablets running desktop operating systems. The Microsoft Surface has never sold well, and other PC manufacturers don’t even make anything similar. Sure, there are still the “hybrids” that have screens that fold over or in some cases detach, but those aren’t really “tablets” and generally are used mostly as laptops.

iPad running macOS would have an awful battery life. Remember the 11” iPad Pro barely weighs 1 lb. It would throttle a ton. iPadOS’s limitations are partly to prevent the rogue app running in the background from draining the battery. And while the 13” iPad has a large enough screen to make macOS usable, the experience on the more popular 11” model would be less than ideal at best.
 
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AbeLincoln1984 said:
Calm down.

Tablets, laptops, and phones are similar but different animals.

I bought a hp and lenovo hybrid laptop, thinking I'd use the touchscreens.

I literally never did.

Don't want to finger my beautiful studio display. But I'd love an overpriced, over engineered ipad pro with a $350 keyboard attachment. And if my buddy or son or mom needed an affordable laptop, I'd tell them they'd be a fool to buy something other than the neo.
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I bought a Surface Pro that now sits unused, replaced by my 13" M5 and Magic Keyboard. The Surface makes for a poor tablet experience
 
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sparksd said:
I bought a Surface Pro that now sits unused, replaced by my 13" M5 and Magic Keyboard. The Surface makes for a poor tablet experience
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Exactly. Microsoft promised that the Surface would be the best of both worlds. Instead it was the worst. Too big and heavy to be a good tablet (plus early models had a fan), and too many compromises to be a good notebook. Apple succeeded with iPad precisely because they didn’t just try to shove their desktop OS into a tablet and call it a day.
 
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joeblow7777 said:
The Surface Pro is just a touchscreen laptop with the keyboard sold separately.
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And not very usable on a lap because of the way the keyboard attaches separately. iPad Air/Pro work better as laptops with the Magic Keyboard, but the tradeoff is the added weight.
 
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Apple_Robert said:
As a proud iPad Pro owner, (I have 3) I dont feel slighted in the least by the Neo. I bought the Neo because it will be fun to look at and use. It will on occasion supplement by iPad Pro usage. I think the OP is getting bent out of shape over nothing,
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That’s a lot of iPad Pros! I have the 11” Pro Nano, an M4 MacBook Air, and just ordered the Neo in Blush.
 
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Thirio2 said:
To me the iPad is a consumption device only. With an attached keyboard it is ok for email, but it is definitely not a production device. For productivity you need Mac OS. That said, the iPad form factor is better for watching videos,etc. than a pc for me. A laptop or desktop is much better for serious work in my opinion.
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Agree, although iOS mail is rubbish v Mac OS. I use Gmail app on iPad/iphone.
 
sparksd said:
I bought a Surface Pro that now sits unused, replaced by my 13" M5 and Magic Keyboard. The Surface makes for a poor tablet experience
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I went the other way, going with my Surface Pro and an iPad Mini rather than an iPad Pro. We're all different. I may not use the surface as a tablet much but its portability while still retaining full desktop functionality is great as is having touchscreen and stylus input when needed. If Apple ever makes a comparable 2-in-1 like the surface pro I will buy it in a heartbeat. I'm all in on office 365, use OneNote with stylus input periodically, and have an appreciation for being able to drive dual 4k monitors though my docking station at home with the surface pro. Some of these things are impossible to do with an iPad Pro. Love my mini 7 as my tablet.
 
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aries81 said:
Aaaand yet another "look at me, I am so insulted, I need attention" post.
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I am not asking anyone to look at me, nor do I need or want attention the publics attention. Must be a complex you suffer from. Next time, perhaps think before throwing your own insecurities around.

What I would like to see is the company that had offered a huge difference in user experience, design and customer satisfaction not to continue to spin down the toilet drain. Apple can appease wall street and its consumers at the same time!

Tech science is there for innovation and growth! I refuse to believe everyone is okay with it being there primarily for monetization.

Its a new world - I know some will disagree and are perfectly fine with the direction of Apple. Perhaps I am aging out and have far too much passion and nostalgia from the days of serious innovation.

I can say that I am absolutely NOT on the "Own nothing, be happy train"

Perhaps this will be the cycle you come back in these very threads to voice your concerns about that topic when it comes time. The headline might be... "All new Apple computing subscription" or "Join us for the next revolution of life" - It will be some wild wording, be sure of that.

I will say I do respect everyone's opinion! -Peace
 
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KPOM said:
And the market has spoken on tablets running desktop operating systems. The Microsoft Surface has never sold well, and other PC manufacturers don’t even make anything similar. Sure, there are still the “hybrids” that have screens that fold over or in some cases detach, but those aren’t really “tablets” and generally are used mostly as laptops.

iPad running macOS would have an awful battery life. Remember the 11” iPad Pro barely weighs 1 lb. It would throttle a ton. iPadOS’s limitations are partly to prevent the rogue app running in the background from draining the battery. And while the 13” iPad has a large enough screen to make macOS usable, the experience on the more popular 11” model would be less than ideal at best.
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I don't know if the market has spoken because we are comparing MacOS to Windows.

I do agree with you that the Surface stinks! This is largely due to Windows itself. That and their price points never made sense. But mostly windows 🤮

Even more recently, Asus Z13 and AMD are STILL trying to catch up with the M1 in many areas. Big, clunky, power hog... yuck.

You are correct about the 11" being cramped. I did use a 12" Macbook for a few years and got along with it fine for my needs. Quick bust computing. Not sure how I would feel about the 11. Definitely would not be a 2+ hour a day work machine.

With the 13" though, throttling would happen unless they implemented power profiles. That in place, we would see very good performance out of the device.

At this point, I think we will see an all glass MacBook Pro before seeing an double duty thin an light. (All glass meaning screen and touch keyboard) OR - Perhaps they will call it a foldable iPad Pro MaxOS 🤣

You make some solid points!

Thank you for the civil discord.
 
This thread is turning into another should iPad run MacOS thread?
I have been taking part in many of them and the comments are always the same.
For me the answer is pretty obvious:
MacOS instead of iPadOS? Hell, no, never. Even iPadOS 26 has somewhat made the iPad more annoying as a pure tablet, let alone MacOS.
MacOS virtualized in addition to iPadOS? Hell, yes! Those who don't want it could just ignore it just like one can ignore on a Mac the possibility to virtualize Windows or Linux. The others could carry one device that could do double duty (other than for Macbook pro level tasks). The issue with Surface pro is that it's only a desktop OS (despite the hardware of the latest Surface pro 12" being now much closer to iPad in terms of weight and battery life). iPad could do both.
But what has Apple to gain from allowing virtualization? They actually have a lot to lose. A lot less people buying just the iPad instead of 2 devices. Worse, a lot of people using Mac software Apple earns nothing on instead of App store purchases they get 30% of.

That's why the removed hypervisor from iPadOS in iPadOS 16. Because people where hacking virtualization into it. And in the EU they wouldn't have even needed to hack the OS.

I am one of the rare persons who still have an iPad pro M1 with 16GB RAM on iPadOS 15 with Hypervisor and runs full Windows on Arm virtualized. And it runs beautyfully. On the slowest Apple Silicon chip. Battery life is shorther when running Windows but not a lot shorter and as soon as you pause it, the impact on battery life and system resources is zero. But Apple will never let that happen again.
 
maflynn said:
That's just business 101.

Don't produce a product that will cannibalize the sales of an existing product. That's one reason why the neo has less features, not just due to component cost but enforce product separation
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Didn't iPhone cannibalize iPod sales? And won't iPhone fold cannibalize iPad sales?
 
ScanTheNavian said:
Didn't iPhone cannibalize iPod sales? And won't iPhone fold cannibalize iPad sales?
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Yes, but if you think about it, the iPhone was expected to replace the iPod. In some sense the iPhone was more of an evolution of the next stage of technology You see here Jobs introducing the iPhone as a merging of 3 technologies into one product.
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As for the unannounced but rumored foldable phone from apple. Why do you think that will cannibalize iPad sales? What will it do differently that the iPhone doesn't do (other then folding)? And why would that take sales away from Apple's tablet market?
 
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I know my iPad has limitations, and I’m okay with them because there are some iOS app I love to use in my iPad. The only thing I really wish to see is the ability to restore an device from recovery using an iPad. If the Neo can do it, my iPad Air can do it.

We need a full-fledged Finder on iPadOS.
 
maflynn said:
Why get upset that apple has one product that is best for content consumption and they released an inexpensive produce for content creation.
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Because Apple ****ing refuses to make a small and light macOS device. I don’t care if it is an iPad Pro or a MacBook Pro mini, just give me something.
 
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