Macbook Over heating

[bobbyboulders]

hey guys,

I have, what would be now considered as the 'old school' macbook. the Intel Core Duo at 2.0 GHz one. i havent had any problems with it until last night, when it started to over heat an crash on me. I would be just surfing the web, or watching epidsodes on Hulu.com and i would see the fan speed sky rocket and the temp go up to around 80-85 degrees before it completely crashed! a screen would appear stating that i should push and hold down the power button, and then restart my machine....

the only thing i would say was 'wrong' with the macbook is that the battery is completely crap at this point. Wont hold power for more then 30min. I've been putting off buying a new battery cuz i usually keep it plugged in, anyway.

Do you guys think the over heating is being caused by the battery issue? do you think it's software related?

any thoughts on this would help Alot. my warrenty has long since expired and i do not feel like paying $250+ to get this fixed....

thank you,

 

[misterredman]

Check the panic logs in your Console. What do you see there?

If the battery is still recognied correctly. despite it having a low capacity, it shouldn't be causing the problem. Does the battery get hot too?

 

[bobbyboulders]

i do not believe the battery itself gets hotter then usual....

i am at work right now so i cannot tell you what i see on the panic logs. Once i get home, i will post them up.

quick question though. How would i access the panic logs?

thank you,

 

[bobbyboulders]

ok, just found out where they are by doing a quick google search. again, ill have to check them out when i get home.

thank you,

 

[bobbyboulders]

so this is what the panic report states:

Sun Dec 7 03:05:40 2008
panic(cpu 1 caller 0x001A8CEC): Kernel trap at 0x001405c5, type 14=page fault, registers:
CR0: 0x80010033, CR2: 0x00000007, CR3: 0x00ffe000, CR4: 0x000006e0
EAX: 0xffffffff, EBX: 0x00000000, ECX: 0x045a1154, EDX: 0x045a115c
CR2: 0x00000007, EBP: 0x2e4d7cc8, ESI: 0x052f05b8, EDI: 0x045a1158
EFL: 0x00010013, EIP: 0x001405c5, CS: 0x00000004, DS: 0x27b6000c
Error code: 0x00000000

Backtrace (CPU 1), Frame : Return Address (4 potential args on stack)
0x2e4d7af8 : 0x12b0fa (0x459234 0x2e4d7b2c 0x133243 0x0)
0x2e4d7b48 : 0x1a8cec (0x4627a0 0x1405c5 0xe 0x461f50)
0x2e4d7c28 : 0x19eed5 (0x2e4d7c48 0x0 0xb 0x2)
0x2e4d7c40 : 0x1405c5 (0xe 0x48 0x454000c 0xc)
0x2e4d7cc8 : 0x127e8e (0x45a1154 0x52f05b8 0x2e4d7cf8 0x122ab8)
0x2e4d7cf8 : 0x127fed (0x52f05a0 0x45a1118 0x400 0x27b62000)
0x2e4d7d78 : 0x14cea5 (0x3c23254 0x15de3 0x53e85ac 0x53e85c0)
0x2e4d7db8 : 0x12d17e (0x54283a0 0x53e8590 0x0 0x0)
0x2e4d7df8 : 0x126257 (0x5428300 0x0 0x24 0x2e4d7ee4)
0x2e4d7f08 : 0x1974c2 (0x2e4d7f44 0x0 0x0 0x0)
0x2e4d7fc8 : 0x19f4a3 (0x3c83140 0x0 0x1a20b5 0x43984f0)
No mapping exists for frame pointer
Backtrace terminated-invalid frame pointer 0xb0b55808

BSD process name corresponding to current thread: Safari

Mac OS version:
9F33

Kernel version:
Darwin Kernel Version 9.5.0: Wed Sep 3 11:29:43 PDT 2008; root:xnu-1228.7.58~1/RELEASE_I386
System model name: MacBook1,1 (Mac-F4208CC8)

i believe this is the one when my macbook completely crashed and prompted me to press and hold down the power button in order for me to restart.

Just an FYI, just browsing the web and running couple of programs has the fan hitting 6000+rpm (goes up and down...) at a point the temp was at 85-90degrees C. Although it hasnt crashed yet....

thank you,

 

[bobbyboulders]

here is another one:

Sat Dec 6 02:05:49 2008
panic(cpu 0 caller 0x001A8CEC): Kernel trap at 0x00597662, type 14=page fault, registers:
CR0: 0x8001003b, CR2: 0x000000a0, CR3: 0x00ffe000, CR4: 0x000006e0
EAX: 0x02e0ec80, EBX: 0x009f34b6, ECX: 0x0041f8d6, EDX: 0x00000000
CR2: 0x000000a0, EBP: 0x3d9c7df8, ESI: 0x03e5b900, EDI: 0x00000000
EFL: 0x00010246, EIP: 0x00597662, CS: 0x00000008, DS: 0x3d9c0010
Error code: 0x00000000

Backtrace (CPU 0), Frame : Return Address (4 potential args on stack)
0x3d9c7bd8 : 0x12b0fa (0x459234 0x3d9c7c0c 0x133243 0x0)
0x3d9c7c28 : 0x1a8cec (0x4627a0 0x597662 0xe 0x461f50)
0x3d9c7d08 : 0x19eed5 (0x3d9c7d28 0x0 0x3d9c7d68 0x9f350f)
0x3d9c7d20 : 0x597662 (0xe 0x53d0048 0x3e50010 0x10)
0x3d9c7df8 : 0x90038f (0x2e0ec80 0x3e5b900 0x0 0x2)
0x3d9c7e68 : 0x9018b4 (0x3c96000 0x3e498c0 0x0 0x0)
0x3d9c7ed8 : 0x9018ec (0x3c96000 0x0 0x53b69c 0x4240e00)
0x3d9c7ef8 : 0x9047db (0x0 0x0 0x4000 0x40)
0x3d9c7f18 : 0x0 (0x0 0x0 0x0 0x0)
Backtrace terminated-invalid frame pointer 0
Kernel loadable modules in backtrace (with dependencies):
com.apple.driver.AppleUSBUHCI(3.1.5)@0x8fa000->0x907fff
dependency: com.apple.iokit.IOPCIFamily(2.4.1)@0x5c1000
dependency: com.apple.iokit.IOUSBFamily(3.1.5)@0x592000
com.apple.iokit.IOUSBFamily(3.1.5)@0x592000->0x5b9fff

BSD process name corresponding to current thread: kernel_task

Mac OS version:
9F33

Kernel version:
Darwin Kernel Version 9.5.0: Wed Sep 3 11:29:43 PDT 2008; root:xnu-1228.7.58~1/RELEASE_I386
System model name: MacBook1,1 (Mac-F4208CC8)

 

[ayeying]

I'm assuming bad ram.

 

[misterredman]

Just an FYI, just browsing the web and running couple of programs has the fan hitting 6000+rpm (goes up and down...) at a point the temp was at 85-90degrees C.

Can you check with Activity monitor which process is taking up all the CPU when you have the problem?

 

[bobbyboulders]

im hoping its not bad RAM. i only bought it earlier this year from crucial... i will try to take the sticks out and test it one by one, though.

i will also have to look at the activity monitor when i get home today.

as far as misterredman question on weather the battery is running hot. It is not. seems to be pretty cool actually. the heat is right above it (which im assuming is the hard drive....)

Thanks for all the advice guys!

 

[bobbyboulders]

btw - do you guys think this could be a precursor to the hard drive failing? What is concerning me most is how i got that grey-ish screen twice, letting me know to press and hold the power button in order to shut down my machine....

 

[bobbyboulders]

alright, so after monitoring activity monitor for a bit, it seems like some thing call Quick Look Server is the culprit. it seems to be taking 100+ of the sys resources...

any idea what this does, and if there is a fix for it? i did a quick google search which indicated that it was tied with Transmission, but i see it popping up when Transmission isnt even running....

any ideas?

 

[PeterQC]

btw - do you guys think this could be a precursor to the hard drive failing? What is concerning me most is how i got that grey-ish screen twice, letting me know to press and hold the power button in order to shut down my machine....

Just for you information, it's called a Kernel Panic.

 

[misterredman]

alright, so after monitoring activity monitor for a bit, it seems like some thing call Quick Look Server is the culprit. it seems to be taking 100+ of the sys resources...

any idea what this does, and if there is a fix for it? i did a quick google search which indicated that it was tied with Transmission, but i see it popping up when Transmission isnt even running....

any ideas?

It seems like Quicklook is trying to creaate a preview for the transmission's temporary files (those that are not completed). Try selecting the Transmission folder then hit cmd + j and deselect the "show preview".

Eventually also add the Transmission download folder to the spotlight privacy section.


Those operations above should resolve the CPU usage problem (and the fan and heating problem). You should still investigate why you get a kernel panic. Let us know what the RAM test reports.

 

[bobbyboulders]

i might change the location of the Transmissions download folder altogether. It is currently defaulting to the 'downloads' folder (with that 'stacked' view..) As i was looking into this issue, i saw that that might be a cause of it as well... I'll test when i get home.

As far as the memory test goes. Are there any specific ways i can do this? google-ing around, i came across this:

http://www.command-tab.com/2008/01/11/how-to-test-ram-under-mac-os-x/

Should i go ahead and try this?

 

[bobbyboulders]

hey guys,

so i ran the memtest, and here are the results. (i took some pics with my phone...so they arent the greatest. But i'm hoping you guys can make something out....)

After the last screen, it just seems to just freeze. i cant type anything and i have to press and hold the power key to shut down/and restart...

 

[misterredman]

Seems like a Kernel Panic in the last screen and that explains why you had to shutdown the computer.

I the other screens I see mismatches, that means Memtest wrote something in the RAM and found a difference when it verified the data.
It's still possible that there is some other hardware problem (motherboard?) but surely you should check the RAM first (the cheaper thing to replace). Did you upgrade it with third party RAM? If you have the old sticks put them back in and try the test again. If you don't get any error try the following: remove one of the current sticks (if you currently have 2) and test that one. Then change the slot and retest. At that point do the same with the other stick.

 

[bobbyboulders]

i guess they were third party sticks i upgraded with? they are from crucial, but they were for the mac (like, i went through the options to find RAM from my particular macbook.) I went with crucial cuz ive heard nothing but good things about them.....

Thanks for the advise misterredman. I will have to try that out tonight.

I am also thinking about opening up the macbook to see how much dust had accumilated during these last couple of years. Might be time to do a basic cleean up, since following you advise on dealing with the quick look server has definitely helped with the heating/cpu usage problem. It still feels like the fans around funning pretty loud, when just running (example) firefox, which isn't really taking up a lot of sys resources...