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It's thicker than I expected! Feels huge compared to my 2015 15" or my 2019 15".

The hardware design actually seems like a throwback to the original PowerBook G4 Titanium:

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You have the same, flat top edge on the screen and flat edges on main body. I had to do a double-take to make sure they didn't go back to the same bad hinge as the original, but fortunately, they didn't.

They also have a mushy black keyboard like the original, albiet with opaque black keys instead of translucent. And the font is different.

Now I know a lot of you hated the touchbar and skinny keyboard of the previous MacBook Pros, but I actually really liked those. I love the touchbar, in fact. I love being able to see at a glance if volume is muted, or stop/start zoom screen sharing withut having to find which of 15 workspaces the damn on-screen control bar is hidden in.

Don't get me wrong: I also like return physical F-keys, but given the size of the machine, I feel like we should be able to have both physical f-keys *and* a touchbar:

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Maybe next year.

Screen

The screen is nice.

Rather than have a 1cm black strip at the top, they expanded the display area up to fill all available area. So you're not losing anything from the prior model, and the front camera is wayyy better than before.

That said, I wish there was an option for no front camera. I never use my Mac's camera, ever. I have a phone with four cameras and a closet of professional photo gear. Just give me a clip to use my iPhone as the camera and call it good. I hate the notch, especially since they didn't even give us FaceId.

Aside from the notch, the screen looks pretty good, but I wish it was an OLED. It's not.

Speaking of OLED, I tried connecting to my LG C9 over HDMI, but this top-end computer can somehow only manage 60hz at 4k. What the actual **** Apple? HDMI 2.0...?! Sure hope they fix that with a firmware patch. I paid $6k and got HDMI 2.0. Unusable.

Sound

Much ballyhoo was said about the six-speaker sound system, but it just sounds like a laptop to me.

The built-in headphone jack is a welcome return, but they chose to omit an input port for a mic or optical source like my 2015 MBP has. I haven't checked yet whether the 3.5mm jack on the new MBP supports optical in/out, but will update this post once I know more.

Omitting a dedicated analog/optical input from a laptop that sells for up to $6000 is kind of sad, but at least we got a built-in SD reader and a headphone port this time.

Performance

I'm a developer of iOS apps, so, software development will be a primary use case.

The Intel i9 on my 2019 MBP throttles down to as low as 800MHz during Xcode builds, making the damn thing basically unusable for 5-10 minutes.

I have not had a chance to test build times yet however on the new machine because I'm still waiting for Xcode 13 to un-zip and verify. After 30 minutes, it's still going. Note: Xcode 13 is a 10gb xip file. Why the **** does it take 30 goddamn minutes to un-zip? If this is going faster than my prior machine, I can't tell.
 
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They put an HDMI port there instead of another TB so people would stop whining. Looks like it doesn't always work properly.
 
They put an HDMI port there instead of another TB so people would stop whining. Looks like it doesn't always work properly.
I'm not saying they shouldn't have put an HDMI port, I'm just saying they should've made sure to use the latest standard (HDMI 2.1, which even my $500 Xbox Series X supports).
 
I'm not saying they shouldn't have put an HDMI port, I'm just saying they should've made sure to use the latest standard (HDMI 2.1, which even my $500 Xbox Series X supports).
It’s madness. I’m not giving Apple my money this time around.
 
Don't get me wrong: I also like return physical F-keys, but given the size of the machine, I feel like we should be able to have both physical f-keys *and* a touchbar:

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Maybe next year.
I developed a phobia for touching that spot. It was almost scalding hot on the i9 16", even under apparently light load. Thankfully the new machines are much cooler but my 14" still gets quite warm there, when under heavy load.
 
It's thicker than I expected! Feels huge compared to my 2015 15" or my 2019 15".

The hardware design actually seems like a throwback to the original PowerBook G4 Titanium:

View attachment 1905113

You have the same, flat top edge on the screen and flat edges on main body. I had to do a double-take to make sure they didn't go back to the same bad hinge as the original, but fortunately, they didn't.

They also have a mushy black keyboard like the original, albiet with opaque black keys instead of translucent. And the font is different.

Now I know a lot of you hated the touchbar and skinny keyboard of the previous MacBook Pros, but I actually really liked those. I love the touchbar, in fact. I love being able to see at a glance if volume is muted, or stop/start zoom screen sharing withut having to find which of 15 workspaces the damn on-screen control bar is hidden in.

Don't get me wrong: I also like return physical F-keys, but given the size of the machine, I feel like we should be able to have both physical f-keys *and* a touchbar:

View attachment 1905132

Maybe next year.

Screen

The screen is nice.

Rather than have a 1cm black strip at the top, they expanded the display area up to fill all available area. So you're not losing anything from the prior model, and the front camera is wayyy better than before.

That said, I wish there was an option for no front camera. I never use my Mac's camera, ever. I have a phone with four cameras and a closet of professional photo gear. Just give me a clip to use my iPhone as the camera and call it good. I hate the notch, especially since they didn't even give us FaceId.

Aside from the notch, the screen looks pretty good, but I wish it was an OLED. It's not.

Speaking of OLED, I tried connecting to my LG C9 over HDMI, but this top-end computer can somehow only manage 60hz at 4k. What the actual **** Apple? HDMI 2.0...?! Sure hope they fix that with a firmware patch. I paid $6k and got HDMI 2.0. Unusable.

Sound

Much ballyhoo was said about the six-speaker sound system, but it just sounds like a laptop to me.

The built-in headphone jack is a welcome return, but they chose to omit an input port for a mic or optical source like my 2015 MBP has. I haven't checked yet whether the 3.5mm jack on the new MBP supports optical in/out, but will update this post once I know more.

Omitting a dedicated analog/optical input from a laptop that sells for up to $6000 is kind of sad, but at least we got a built-in SD reader and a headphone port this time.

Performance

I'm a developer of iOS apps, so, software development will be a primary use case.

The Intel i9 on my 2019 MBP throttles down to as low as 800MHz during Xcode builds, making the damn thing basically unusable for 5-10 minutes.

I have not had a chance to test build times yet however on the new machine because I'm still waiting for Xcode 13 to un-zip and verify. After 30 minutes, it's still going. Note: Xcode 13 is a 10gb xip file. Why the **** does it take 30 goddamn minutes to un-zip? If this is going faster than my prior machine, I can't tell.
They will never bring back the touchbar.
 
It's an interesting take on things, although I think I have to disagree on a few points though.

I have found the 16 inch's size and weight pretty comparable to my 2015 15. Visually looks a bit thicker, bit overall seemed basically the same.

Screen seems amazing - really OLED-like in many ways.

I rejoiced at lack of touch bar. I would not have bought this if it still had one in place of physical keys.

Speakers sound better than any other laptop I've ever had.

I have found the keys to be less mushy and more tactile, with a slightly shorter travel, than my M1 MacBook Air. The keyboard feels to me like Apple was trying to get its standard rubber dome laptop keyboards to feel a bit more like the butterfly keyboard.

Great to see the TiBook next to it - clearly a man of great taste and distinction to still have one. They were a real breakthrough in laptop design at the time and were such a departure from the plastic Wallstreet/Lombard/Pismo G3 range.
 
Great to see the TiBook next to it - clearly a man of great taste and distinction to still have one.

Just want to say it's awesome you have so much vintage Apple stuff as well. I wish I still had my first Apple machine, a Duo 280c that got me through college.

My first 'real' job circa 1996 was servicing a Mac run biotech lab of 110 machines, all from the original Mac to a fleet of 'blackbirds' the executives used.
 
I wish there was an option for no front camera. I never use my Mac's camera, ever. I have a phone with four cameras and a closet of professional photo gear. Just give me a clip to use my iPhone as the camera and call it good. I hate the notch, especially since they didn't even give us FaceId.
Yes, this camera and notch are such useless things and it is a pity there is no option without it. I never use it myself
 
Speakers sound better than any other laptop I've ever had.

Yeah they sound good, nice bass, decent for watching Netflix etc. But it's no replacement for even a cheap set of studio monitors. The stereo separation on the mids/highs seems lacking to me, which is expected from a laptop.

Great to see the TiBook next to it - clearly a man of great taste and distinction to still have one.
You've gone too far, really.

They were a real breakthrough in laptop design at the time and were such a departure from the plastic Wallstreet/Lombard/Pismo G3 range.

Agreed. Bought it when it came out and, as a hoarder (especially of old Macs!), still have it.

Now if Apple would just make a IIci throwback machine...
 
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Wait they don't have a switchable input on the headphone jack anymore?
I just meant there is not a separate, dedicated input.

I'm sure it works with a TRRS stereo headset with mono mic.

But stereo input or optical input? Not sure, but prolly not.
 
I just meant there is not a separate, dedicated input.

I'm sure it works with a TRRS stereo headset with mono mic.

But stereo input or optical input? Not sure, but prolly not.
Oh ok, you mentioned not like your 2015 but they removed that feature in 2012 with the retina models
 
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