The Apple Inside article I linked to stated that currently it WAS only for Apple's own SSD drives.
Right I realize that, I'm just saying that if Lion only supports Apple SSD's, that would suck.
The Apple Inside article I linked to stated that currently it WAS only for Apple's own SSD drives.
Folks,
I'm not sure I'm reading this right... so, please set me straight if I'm reading it wrong.
I ordered a 15" Macbook Pro off Apple's site on release date with SSD, ram and display upgrades.
Does the screen shot say the SSD can support TRIM or OS X can support TRIM, or both?
I only question because I think this is a 10.7 'support' item, not 10.6.6 which is what I have from the factory.
Thanks!
Given that I am not at all a techie - how can Apple enable TRIM only on their own SSDs? How can these SSDs differ from third parties'?
Lastly, which are the practical gains of having TRIM in OS X?
TRIM needs both the drive and OS support, so if the drive has the function as most do, but OSX doesn't, TRIM doesn't function. I suppose Apple can block drives that don't have a pre-approved firmware or device ID. [...]
OK, so if the new Macbooks support TRIM for the Apple SSDs...then HOW do you use the TRIM function? anyone care to share? =]
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sorry i didn't read properly. I just want to clarify that the reason why no one has posted how to use the TRIM function was because OSX doesn't support it yet?
OK, so if the new Macbooks support TRIM for the Apple SSDs...then HOW do you use the TRIM function? anyone care to share? =]
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sorry i didn't read properly. I just want to clarify that the reason why no one has posted how to use the TRIM function was because OSX doesn't support it yet?
TRIM isn't something you do. It is a background cleanup, essentially.
TRIM isn't something you do. It is a background cleanup, essentially.
Yeah, as far as I know it just helps the drive know which things can be wiped form the drive so that space is used much more efficiently and "garbage" doesn't build up.
Given that I am not at all a techie - how can Apple enable TRIM only on their own SSDs? How can these SSDs differ from third parties'?
Lastly, which are the practical gains of having TRIM in OS X?
Apple purchases their SSD's from ONE company. That company is Toshiba.Of course Apple SSD drives are 3rd party as well... Apple does not make harddrives. They purchase them from companies that make SSD harddrives. I'm confident they purchase from a company that won the bid (lowest price). I'm also pretty confident the only reason that the "Apple SSD" is the only one that shows up with TRIM = Yes is mostly financial... you have to by Apple's drive to get TRIM!
As you can see, I have TRIM working on both my internal drives OCZ-Agility2 and Crucial C300.
This is a very easy and safe hack... adding your SSD(s) to the IOAHCIF.kext via a hex editor... you'll also see the "Apple SSD" in there.. replace that ID with your SSD and voiala! I think there's a tool out there that does it with just one click as well....
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Apple purchases their SSD's from ONE company. That company is Toshiba.
I'm also pretty confident the only reason that the "Apple SSD" is the only one that shows up with TRIM = Yes is mostly financial...
I wouldn't be so sure. After all people with Vertex 3's are reporting issues with the TRIM hack. I think Apple haven't enabled it because it's just not ready for prime time (with 3rd party drives).
Adam
Toshiba SSD's are definitely not the fastest, mostly due to SATA II limitations. Because of their very aggressive onboard Trim support, these drives will stay rock solid and fast for years. This why Apple uses them and why I highly recommend the Kingston V+ and V+ 100 SSD's.There y'go! I guess Toshiba won the bid. I'm sure that could/will change in the future depending on when Toshiba's contract is up and it is up for bid again. I've had macbook's that came with Toshiba spinners, then with Hatachi drives... I'm sure Apple will do what is financially beneficial to them. I would also venture to say that Toshiba does not have the "best" SSD HD out there.. I'm sure they are just fine... so are OCZs, Intel, Crucials etc... And I'm not even sure (they might) that Crucial doesn't brand a 3rd party SSD as their own.. Perhaps they are Toshibas in a crucial jacket![]()
Of course Apple SSD drives are 3rd party as well... Apple does not make harddrives. They purchase them from companies that make SSD harddrives. I'm confident they purchase from a company that won the bid (lowest price). I'm also pretty confident the only reason that the "Apple SSD" is the only one that shows up with TRIM = Yes is mostly financial... you have to by Apple's drive to get TRIM!
As you can see, I have TRIM working on both my internal drives OCZ-Agility2 and Crucial C300.
This is a very easy and safe hack... adding your SSD(s) to the IOAHCIF.kext via a hex editor... you'll also see the "Apple SSD" in there.. replace that ID with your SSD and voiala! I think there's a tool out there that does it with just one click as well....
I would agree/disagree... I would say they are the lowest bidder that fulfills apple's reqs... perhaps not the "lowest" bidder out of all mfgs.Apple's SSD drives have customer firmware on them made to help them give maximum performance under OSX, I also doubt Toshiba was the lowest bidder either.....
I would agree/disagree... I would say they are the lowest bidder that fulfills apple's reqs... perhaps not the "lowest" bidder out of all mfgs.
I do have a family member that works for the company and works on the OSx dev team. Appropriately he's really closed mouthed about anything relating to problems, fixes etc that are not publicly published.. but he did smile when we discussed the paradox that 6gb (sata3) is supposed to be fully supported, yet apple's supplied SSDs (the only one's "supported") are only SATA 2!
Why say you have a 'family member' then admit they have told you nothing? And Apple is the same as every other vendor, put a device in it that you didn't buy from them and they won't support it, why should they?