Well, idle as in idle... meaning leaving my MBP alone... Right now my CPU stays at 68C (98-99% idle), CPU Die 72C, GPU 63C and I'm not really doing any intensive work... just browsing MacRumors (12 tabs open in Firefox and 6 tabs open in Chrome, though I'm only using Firefox right now) + Mail, Twitter, iTunes and Dictionary apps open.
Macbook Pro 2011 is so...BAD BAD BAD!
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thundersteele
macrumors 68030
Well, that's anything but idle. But your fans should be rather quiet around 70C, maybe spinning at 2200 rpm or so.
The obvious question unanswered...
I read this whole thread and no one asked the obvious question. You mention several times that you researched all of these problems AFTER you purchased your MacBook Pro. Wouldn't it have been prudent to do the research BEFORE you made your purchase? If you would have done the latter, there would be no heartache or ill-advised expectations on your part. Just an observation...
I read this whole thread and no one asked the obvious question. You mention several times that you researched all of these problems AFTER you purchased your MacBook Pro. Wouldn't it have been prudent to do the research BEFORE you made your purchase? If you would have done the latter, there would be no heartache or ill-advised expectations on your part. Just an observation...
Yeah, that's about right... I didn't refer to my current activity as idle, though, but my point is even when turning all the apps off and just leaving my MBP on, the CPU temps will still be in the 60s (Celsius)....
thundersteele
macrumors 68030
... which seems a bit high. I get idle temps below 40C, and many others here have reported the same.
I'm not sure how much sense it makes to keep this thread alive. The OP is gone for sure, and as DonMega pointed out, he should have done some research on the product before buying it.
I just want to say that my MBP performs as I expected before purchasing. And my research included spending some time at the Apple store, where I installed temperature monitor and ran some video encoding for 10 minutes to see how hot it gets.
Spadoinkles
macrumors regular
1. My Mac doesn't overheat and while the fans do spin up occasionally, at least they WORK, unlike many Toshibas I've seen who just suck up dirt and choke. And die. Half the time the fans spin up, aka flash content, you have sound going too. Don't tell me while you are consciously working that you are being Russian over every bit of noise your Mac creates. Sure it's bad, how about start up a company called Carrot and make a better laptop to sell in the mass market.
2. That's Hitachi. Or Toshiba. They're vendors, Apple purchases them and fits them. You don't buy a house then blame the builder for faulty pipes if your plumber happened to be an unqualified caveman. Likewise, HDD noise is bound to be everywhere, it could very well be the drives themselves. How about isolating this problem by removing the drives from both your 2008 and 2011 machines and testing them independently in a different laptop, maybe use a (oh so you claim) professional sound monitoring device, just to cut off your bloody prejudices over your latest US$2000 investment?
3. Maybe your eyes have gone bad. We at MacRumors could provide you with services to dig them out with a spoon. Soup spoon or ice-cream spoon?
4. Loud music kills your ears, buddy. No solid evidence.
SD and CF are different forms of media. While it is arguable that CF cards are more used in the professional world (particularly media & journalism) it's debatable. SD cards are still more widespread and are much more likely to fit within the design confinements of the MBP. Maybe you could've bought a 17" if you wanted an ExpressCard but otherwise, a highlight of the MBP are aesthetics, and the compromise for that would be some function (limited USB ports, pathetic power box, SD slot, you name it).
Quite clearly, you don't act one bit professional to me. Only a fool blames his tools.
My early 2011 2,3 ghz 17" macbook pro goes just PERFECT.
It may be hotter than older models... But it is beacause older models had 2 cores processors that are a crap, and now I have a super powerfull workstation inside a beauty mac design, and i dont feel it hot at all. It just works great.
You always gain and lose something. But I think that this is the best macbook pro ever made by a far distance.
It is a beast!!
It may be hotter than older models... But it is beacause older models had 2 cores processors that are a crap, and now I have a super powerfull workstation inside a beauty mac design, and i dont feel it hot at all. It just works great.
You always gain and lose something. But I think that this is the best macbook pro ever made by a far distance.
It is a beast!!
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I moved from a late 2008 model to a 2011 15" and yeah sure it's noticeably hotter but it never overheats which I think is all that matters. It still functions whilst it's hot if it was actually overheating it would be shutting down which would be cause for complaint.
I just don't understand all these complaints about supposed overheating as firstly it's not and second what do people expect from an all aluminium laptop.
I moved from a late 2008 model to a 2011 15" and yeah sure it's noticeably hotter but it never overheats which I think is all that matters. It still functions whilst it's hot if it was actually overheating it would be shutting down which would be cause for complaint.
I just don't understand all these complaints about supposed overheating as firstly it's not and second what do people expect from an all aluminium laptop.
albert3324
macrumors newbie
I don't think the warranty can help a lot
I had similar problems as the OP.
I even had an issue where it would over heat and shut itself off when running any graphic intensive program while connect to an external monitor if it wasn't left open in a well ventilated area ontop of a laptop cooler. That's unacceptable in my book but I wasn't about to take it apart and try and fix it and the Apple techs probably wouldn't have done anything. Sucks being over 100 miles from the closest Apple store.
I even had an issue where it would over heat and shut itself off when running any graphic intensive program while connect to an external monitor if it wasn't left open in a well ventilated area ontop of a laptop cooler. That's unacceptable in my book but I wasn't about to take it apart and try and fix it and the Apple techs probably wouldn't have done anything. Sucks being over 100 miles from the closest Apple store.
I'm in the same boat.
I came from a 2010 17" 2.66ghz mbp to a 2011 2.3ghz i7 Quad and I notice that the fans kick on for watching youtube vids, or doing some video rendering.
I understand they'll kick on for the video rendering, but why do they kick on just when I watch a youtube video?
My 2010 didn't do this and this is where I get confused, is it because it's a faster processor which will heat up quicker.
I'm not quick to assume that it's a hardware problem, but maybe that's just how these macbook pros run vs their predecessors.
I will more than likely get applecare on this laptop just in case it fails after the 1 year.
I came from a 2010 17" 2.66ghz mbp to a 2011 2.3ghz i7 Quad and I notice that the fans kick on for watching youtube vids, or doing some video rendering.
I understand they'll kick on for the video rendering, but why do they kick on just when I watch a youtube video?
My 2010 didn't do this and this is where I get confused, is it because it's a faster processor which will heat up quicker.
I'm not quick to assume that it's a hardware problem, but maybe that's just how these macbook pros run vs their predecessors.
I will more than likely get applecare on this laptop just in case it fails after the 1 year.
Queen6
macrumors G4
Owning both 15" Early 2008 2.4Ghz Penryn & Late 2011 2.4 i7 the difference is literally night and day the newer machine is simply leagues ahead and runs significantly cooler than the older C2D, which is a real cooker...
The 2.4 i7 does rapidly heat up under heavy loads, equally it cools down fast once the task is complete, what the older MBP 4.1 would take days to complete the MBP 8.2 finishes in a matter of hours. The scale of performance is impressive compared to previous Apple portables, exceeding them by several magnitudes, nor do the temperatures surprise me given the form factor.
Overall my i7 2.4 runs cool and quiet idle temps are in the region of 33C - 35C
The 2.4 i7 does rapidly heat up under heavy loads, equally it cools down fast once the task is complete, what the older MBP 4.1 would take days to complete the MBP 8.2 finishes in a matter of hours. The scale of performance is impressive compared to previous Apple portables, exceeding them by several magnitudes, nor do the temperatures surprise me given the form factor.
Overall my i7 2.4 runs cool and quiet idle temps are in the region of 33C - 35C
Pentad
macrumors 6502a
Quinoky
macrumors regular
Whilst I fiercely disagree with the OP's statements that all 2011 MBP's in general are "BAD BAD BAD", I must say that I have had similar problems with my first Late 2011 MBP. Yes, my first. Let me explain:
Due to some hardware problems, I have had to replace my MBP two times and I am now typing on my third. The first MBP had a very mediocre display, very loud hard drive and a faulty sleep/wake indicator. The second MBP had a scratch on top. Luckily, though, the third MBP is absolutely perfect. Now, I do know what I am talking about since I have had the chance to compare all three MBP's at once.
Please note -- I want to give Apple my deepest respect here for providing me with such an absolutely superb service. Not a single company I have ever had to deal with comes close to the experience I have had with them. Thank you, Apple.
Due to some hardware problems, I have had to replace my MBP two times and I am now typing on my third. The first MBP had a very mediocre display, very loud hard drive and a faulty sleep/wake indicator. The second MBP had a scratch on top. Luckily, though, the third MBP is absolutely perfect. Now, I do know what I am talking about since I have had the chance to compare all three MBP's at once.
Please note -- I want to give Apple my deepest respect here for providing me with such an absolutely superb service. Not a single company I have ever had to deal with comes close to the experience I have had with them. Thank you, Apple.
bdodds1985
macrumors 6502a
I would agree with the contrast on my MBP. I purchased one with an antiglare screen and I sorted it out by adjusting it, but still not the greatest picture. I've never seen the difference vs. the Glassy ones, because I hate them and half the time looking into my old ipod touch (which i sold for a classic) all i could see is myself or lights. anyways.... Small issue to me I still love this machine.
I have 2 120GB SSD's.. so maybe you should upgrade to that or a better 7200rpm hybrid drive.
the speakers... its a laptop. come one man. even the best laptops dont put out great sound, use external speakers.
The one thing i can see valid in your argument is the SD Card slot. an express card would be amazing in the 15" models, and you could get an adapter for SD cards but me personally, I'd love to hook up my external through SATA... not an option.
Im surprised you didnt mention the 2 USB ports being so close. that sucks, but o well... not that big of a deal, buy a hub. I would have a hub even if it had 10 usb ports.
sorry to hear your disappointed, I recently made the change over from PC to Mac and couldnt be happier, of course they both have flaws and with apple its a little more annoying since they just HAVE to be different, but life goes on. maybe you should have done some more research before buying a new one.
things like the edges, really? get real. not that serious.
So even though i recognize certain flaws, as does everyone else, id have to say I agree more with Spadoinkles....
if everyone could make designs the way they wanted them individually, there would be no need for apple. you could take the os and mold your laptop from clay... would that make you happy? but im sure that would cost more than 2g's....
I have 2 120GB SSD's.. so maybe you should upgrade to that or a better 7200rpm hybrid drive.
the speakers... its a laptop. come one man. even the best laptops dont put out great sound, use external speakers.
The one thing i can see valid in your argument is the SD Card slot. an express card would be amazing in the 15" models, and you could get an adapter for SD cards but me personally, I'd love to hook up my external through SATA... not an option.
Im surprised you didnt mention the 2 USB ports being so close. that sucks, but o well... not that big of a deal, buy a hub. I would have a hub even if it had 10 usb ports.
sorry to hear your disappointed, I recently made the change over from PC to Mac and couldnt be happier, of course they both have flaws and with apple its a little more annoying since they just HAVE to be different, but life goes on. maybe you should have done some more research before buying a new one.
things like the edges, really? get real. not that serious.
So even though i recognize certain flaws, as does everyone else, id have to say I agree more with Spadoinkles....
if everyone could make designs the way they wanted them individually, there would be no need for apple. you could take the os and mold your laptop from clay... would that make you happy? but im sure that would cost more than 2g's....
daneoni
macrumors G5
VI™;14072163 said:
Well yeah...it's a laptop i.e. the lid is meant to be open whilst in use. Laptops in general (not just from Apple) don't ventilate well if in clamshell mode (never really bought into this idea).
It's simple physics really; you are restricting heat dissipation from the topcase when you close something designed to mostly be used open. Core Duo or Core i7.
Not sure you need a laptop cooler though...yours might just have something else going on. i certainly don't use one nor have ever had a need to.
saberahul
macrumors 68040
i don't get it. If one has a problem with a certain device, what does complaining about it gain? Just go ahead and return the computer and buy whatever you deem fit for your needs. If you believe that a Windows laptop worth $400 is ideal for your needs, then certainly go ahead and buy it. I fail to understand what one accomplishes by complaining about how iOS is not good enough and lacks the basic needs or how a computer with so much hype absolutely sucks for one's specific needs. My advice: be mature and be professional - if something doesn't suit your needs, gladly go ahead and return it. Complaining will get you no where.
Agent-P
Contributor
Before I address your list, I'm just gonna say that "everyone" is not complaining. Just because you're having problems doesn't mean everyone is. Now, for your list:
1. My 2011 MBP doesn't overheat very much at all. The fans are pretty much always quiet (even when watching HD videos). I really only remember them spinning up loudly twice, and both times they quieted down rather quickly.
2. My HDD doesn't make any noise at all. Whisper quiet. It's like I have an SSD in there (which I actually do, in the OptiBay).
3. My display is fine. But even if yours isn't, then calibrate it. That's why the option is there; so you can adjust it however you like.
4. My speakers sound fine. They are balanced and the sound quality is great for a laptop this size (this isn't to say there aren't better laptop speakers. But for this size laptop, they're pretty good).
5. I don't know a single person that uses a CF card, SD cards are the standard and the majority of people use them. Professionals who use a CF card would most likely have a more powerful desktop to process their images on (which would have a CF card reader).
so before you start generalizing your problems to the whole line, check to see if it is even a widespread issue.
Well well, interestingly enough, I did an experiment and unplugged my external monitor from the MBP and boom - the temps dropped by like 20C within 10 mins, I guess largely also thanks to gfxcardstatus app, which I used to switch to the integrated graphics only for the time being.
Is there a way at all to run an external monitor with integrated GPU?? Because apparently when my monitor is plugged in, it keeps utilizing the dedicated GPU and hence such high temps... It kind of pisses me off because right now that I unplugged the monitor, my CPU+GPU temps stay below 50C, which is quite amazing, but with the monitor plugged in I get the above (quoted) temps, which wouldn't bother me much per se, but the fact that they will easily trigger the fans to run at higher rpm is what annoys me most.
Not that I know of, but I have a MDP Apple LED Cinema, needs to be on descrete for me.