I'm saying that people who profit when Apple Fails should not be considered the only source of the failure. One video comes out and the entire Apple Ecosystem is imploding. I'm highly skeptical that someone who earns their money with page / video views being credible enough to take as fact.
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I'm saying that people who profit when Apple Fails should not be considered the only source of the failure. One video comes out and the entire Apple Ecosystem is imploding. I'm highly skeptical that someone who earns their money with page / video views being credible enough to take as fact.
Oh finally someone who is sane and not overreacting and going around cancelling and returning their 2018 MacBook Pros.
Plus, there are a ton of factors that go into the testing - like is the software optimized for 6 cores? Run the same tests in 6 months and you might see a lot different result.
I am still considering canceling mine, not overreacting just keeping an eye on things. Meanwhile you did not answer my question on the other thread about what percentage faster was that 200 image RAW job at getting it done 1.5 minutes faster than a maxed out 2017 of which I already have and what raw files were they? What was the total time on both machines?
People neee to put these real world benchmarks into proper context before anything can be gleaned from them.
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I don't understand why apple won't design nice thermal solutions. Instead their designs pretend like thermal issues don't exist. They want to cover a hot thing with a leather case I'm sure that will make it worse.
So in other words, he's a 'fake' Apple 'fan' because his findings make Apple look bad?
One doesn't even need to be a 'fan' to review hardware. He put the machine through a single data point test and is reporting his findings; he didn't claim it to be conclusive, he ran software that most people who own this machine will probably run, and it didn't perform as he expected.
Everything else in your post is just screaming and wailing because Apple might be getting bad press.
Typing this on my new MacBook Pro. Significantly better than my late-2013 and it sucks I had to spend $300 on a Thunderbolt 3 dock but the functionality of that dock (over 15 ports + charging) far exceeds the ports that were on any of my Powerbook / MacBooks from the hugely I/O Friendly Ti PowerBook through the Retaina MacBook Pro. this $300 dock is amazing considering 8 hours a day I'm working at my desk and don't need any of my peripherals at home or in meetings.
I miss Magsafe and that's it at this point.
Thinking back to all of the xxxx-gates of my time as an Apple Fanboy, Antenna gate was the only one I could personally verify and with the bumper, the issue went away. It is true most phones had some signal loss but that was pretty legit, I never had an iPhone bend or a mac overheat or catch fire or a battery expand on me. I did have an iBook G3 400Mhz that had a short at the power plug port and would shock me every time I plugged in a cord and after 2-3 calls to Apple, they replaced it with an iBook G4 600Mhz. no complaints there. Having owned every iPhone, every iPod and over 20 Macintosh computers, Apple has rarely completely let me down except for in their update cycles of their computers in the last 5 years. But even when I used to go to Macworld every year from 2002 - 2010, I remember the feeling I had around 2006 when every booth was an iPod accessory and the Mac software makers were in the small area of expo...then again with the iPhone growth. I'm just glad Apple is still in business after the dark years. I still think their laptop hardware is the best Wintel hardware out there but it is priced at a premium and some days I do doubt I'm getting my money worth out of that premium. I still love Mac OS.
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Congrats! Care to share what Dock this is?! That’s an expensive dock.
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A journey of a hundred thousand failed MacBook Pro computers start with a single step demonstrating that there is a problem with one laptop's failing cooling function.
These are early days, and this problem is already reproduced by others. Let us see where the "scientific" tests and studies lead us, the affected owners can remedy this early. There is precedent for this hot issue with Apple's other MacBooks in previous years.
It gives us the fact that the MacBook Pro can't handle full load without throttling beyond acceptable. The cooling solution is too weak. He compared it with a 4 core 2017 MacBook Pro 15", that performed better than the Core i9 6 core unless you put it in a freezer...
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Nope, either it uses the two extra cores or it doesn't. Any half assed programmer will detect the core count and launch that amount of worker threads. There won't be any magic changes unless it's better cooling.
Its the same with iOS and safari, for years we heard "just wait for Apple to make safari magically use less memory so reloading stops" because somehow the data needed to be held to render a webpage is lower when your name is Apple, how was the issue fixed... more RAM.
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I doubt they will get a much larger number of returns than normal, but any they get will be inspected, and any issues fixed before being resold on the refurb store.
Like I said, I'm glad he kicked off the discussion into the issue. If people want to put their i9 purchase on the back burner until more info comes in I don't blame them. But, Dave's result is being used as proof positive for a lot of initial skepticism and the data just doesn't' support that...yet.
It’s probably almost as big and expensive as the new Mac Mini will be. I predict the cheapest Mac Minis will be $600 and i9s $2000. And they better have hdmi and usb A ports so you don’t need a dongle off the Mac Mini dongle.
No you're missing my point. It doesn't give us that "fact". This was a poor test that doesn't actually prove anything. Even if this WAS a great test it would still only be a single test and still wouldn't prove anything.
Now if we get more reviews and tests out that also show that the i9 is performing worse than an i7 then we can definitively say it's a problem.
Edit: THIS for example is a much better test. Similar processors and hardware. Although it would be better if the MBP were running Windows 10 instead of MacOS just in case that makes a difference for cinebench, I have no reason to suspect that though.
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It is NOT a given that a programmer will detect the core amount. Depending on the code, it may work differently in different situations, you don't know. In some case, apps even allow you to specify how many cores you want to use. One video app I use allows you to select cores, and it defaults at 2.
Adding to the 'fun,' thermal performance absolutely impacts longevity of the entire system. HP laptops and others had their own rounds of GPU and other issues, none of which are improved by excessive heat, some of which may week be caused by it.
On systems that have removed the option of user-serviceable parts like RAM and SSD replacement, the new MBP just doesn't make for a compelling purchase for me, no matter how long I've been waiting for a 32GB MBP. If they wind up giving the option on a quad-core 13" MBP and it performs better thermally in a future refresh, that may be the path I wind up going. Until then the 2015 MBP I bought used after the last uninteresting MBP refresh will have to tie me over.
On systems that have removed the option of user-serviceable parts like RAM and SSD replacement, the new MBP just doesn't make for a compelling purchase for me, no matter how long I've been waiting for a 32GB MBP. If they wind up giving the option on a quad-core 13" MBP and it performs better thermally in a future refresh, that may be the path I wind up going. Until then the 2015 MBP I bought used after the last uninteresting MBP refresh will have to tie me over.
Many others are also reporting the same issue not just on the MacBook Pro i9 but other thin laptop systems using many different OS & apps. There are some gamer laptops with bigger cooling systems which are running the i9 without throttling! In fact, they can even go into turbo mode unlike the MacBook Pro and other ultra thin systems.
I think we have the answer. Logic dictates the systems cooling is not able to support the heat created by this CPU.
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While some apps maybe poorly written or have limitations. The way any application runs is the same within the OS. The OS hides the hardware from the application. With that said, altering the architecture of the CPU from one design to another has in the past impacted applications (i.e. Power to Intel). Within the Intel line the changes between 16bit to 32bit and now 64bit did not impact the ability of the application to run on the newer CPU's.
Here we are still running within the same base architecture as the previous i5/i7 core design CPU's. There is nothing within the application that would cripple it running on the i9 CPU. Don't forget the slower Core i7 2.2GHz or 2.6GHz are both 6-core CPU's as well! Yet it does not have this problem with them.
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Here we are still running within the same base architecture as the previous i5/i7 core design CPU's. There is nothing within the application that would cripple it running on the i9 CPU. Don't forget the slower Core i7 2.2GHz or 2.6GHz are both 6-core CPU's as well! Yet they don't have this problem with them.
They have been many tests done now across even Windows based thin laptops and they have the same problem. The issue is there no doubt about it. The thermal load of the i9 can't be supported in these thin laptops. There are a few gamer laptops which have a more aggressive cooling system with the i9 without any problems!
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Do you have an example of one of these people who profit from Apple Fails where they made a claim that was later proven false?
Just give up arguing. Apple hardware is NEVER going to match the gaming or business hardware competition! Serious 3D rendering has almost totally migrated to the WinPC platform. Adobe has only really optimized Premiere for the WinPC platform too.Editing on Mac laptops is best done using FinalCutPro.
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You made a great point. It isn't only Apple that has laptops overheating. The brands that are pursuing super thin laptops are all encountering the limits of cooling on thin laptops.
The new Razer Blade 15" laptop has a copper vapor chamber that seems to be able to cool the i9 chip and keep it running at optimal levels. I'd have liked to see Jony Ives pursue something innovative like that, but he seems to be asleep at the wheel, just chucking out micro updates with no engineered innovation in the same pretty box. What's the use of buying up to a powerful processor if you can't take advantage of it!!??? You should be able to use fully what you pay for!! That's like buying a Lamborghini and running as fast as a bike.
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