Resolved MacBook Pro Mid 2009 randomly restarting / kernel panic issue - overheating, wrong RAM?

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  1. wittgenstein macrumors newbie

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    I recently bought used Mid 2009 MacBook Pro 17 inch model with 2,8 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo Penryn T9600 processor, 8 GB of RAM, and two NVIDIA GPUs - 9400m (integrated) and 9600m GT (discrete). It seemed like quite a bargain considering it did cost me an equivalent of $240.

    Of course such cheaply sold machine had to have some issues - in this particular case the seller reported problems with 9600m GT chip, which caused the MacBook Pro to randomly restart. Such problem reportedly occurred mostly when the charger was plugged into the Magsafe port which triggered a switch to the discrete graphics.

    Considering I didn't intend to use the machine to perform GPU-intensive operations, I figured I'd just switch off the 9600m GT and that should solve the problem.

    First, I replaced the original HDD with new SSD. Although I've prepared a bootable USB with El Capitan on my MacBook Air, somehow I couldn't boot with it, so I went ahead with installing Windows 7 instead (highest Windows version on this machine supported by Apple).

    It was running pretty smoothly, however the problem was, of which I wasn't previously aware, that MacBook Pro arbitrarily disables integrated GPU when running Windows if a particular model shipped also with a discrete GPU.

    Therefore, I couldn't really execute my original plan.

    Since I suspected that this whole issue with 9600m GT was heat related, I resorted to aggressively cooling the MacBook Pro with the fans - I set them to reach maximum speed of 5700 rpm as soon as the temperature at GPU diode reaches 75 degrees Celsius. The fans were successful in keeping the temperature below that point, while CPU diode reading sometimes exceeded 80 degrees C - still normally a rather benign condition.

    Despite this, the computer randomly went into blue screen, saved crash dump and restated - sometimes after several minutes, and sometimes after over half an hour of uptime. I started to have some doubts whether it really was the excessive-heat-related issue. The temperature readings weren't all that bad at the time of the crash, although after a restart the fans were back at full speed which indicated that the temperature threshold was somehow exceeded, and the whole computer case felt quite hot, but - well - that's what you may expect from aluminum unibody notebook.

    Then I did a hardware check and found out that the RAM installed in this MBP is actually a 1333 MHz DDR3 memory. I've read that this model supports only 1066 MHz RAM. Apparently the previous owner upgraded the memory in the computer, but overlooked possible compatibility issues. What's more, I found out that this RAM is currently severely underclocked, running at only 666 MHz.

    So do you think that RAM is the real answer, and buying 1066 MHz sticks could resolve issues with this MacBook Pro? Or is it just running at half its potential speed and that's it, no problem? What other options of resolving the problem might I have? I guess I could try disassembling it once again to blow some compressed air into the fans and possibly also replace thermal paste. No other solution comes to my mind, well, except for just selling it - I've seen many exact same MacBook Pro models on sale with similar price that couldn't even boot ;)

    PS As I was writing this post, El Capitan was installing itself on the aforementioned MBP after finally succeeding in making bootable install USB. Sadly, it crashed before the installation was done.
     
  2. keysofanxiety macrumors 604

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    Perceived RAM speed at 666MHz is no cause for concern. You could try swapping out with 1066MHz modules of course, as 1333 won't be too healthy on that machine. If you've got a cheap/spare 1066 DIMM, it's worth throwing in with fingers & toes crossed to see how it runs.

    But honestly with the 09 NVIDIA GPU issues, it's rendered it a fair lemon of a computer and not really worth the time/effort. Once the graphics are failing there's no real workaround.
     
  3. wittgenstein thread starter macrumors newbie

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    Thank you so much for your reply, keysofanxiety! I am writing this very post from the MacBook Pro in question, running El Capitan, which means things have turned out quite well for me.

    It turns out, it really was RAM's fault. Apparently the NVIDIA chips can't handle DDR3 memory running at 666 MHz (which happens after you install 1333 MHz sticks on 1066 MHz compatible machine), but the UEFI on 2009 MacBook Pros doesn't adjust to this problem accordingly, allowing the computer to run on the unstable config anyway. I solved the problem just by underclocking the RAM a bit further, to the 533 MHz. Now it works like a dream and all the issues are just gone :). The heat output is incomparably lower, and both graphics chips now function properly. That's way more than I've had hoped for when purchasing this computer! Now I'll just buy some 1066 MHz DDR3 sticks so that I won't be running on underpowered RAM.
     

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