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If Intel can build a plant in Ohio, perhaps Apple could, too. Or Texas. Or Tennessee. Or in Ireland or Poland or practically anyplace other than China.
Apple responded by saying that they would love to bring manufacturing to the U.S. but when they look at doing that, it is logistics that keeps them away from making that decision. Example, in China raw material being made, processors, components, heat treat, coating, boxing and packaging are all done within the city mile. Work centers are located very close to each other. In the U.S. you would have to transport parts across town for heat treat. He said that if the U.S. would adopt the same logistics, it would entice Apple to bring manufacturing to the U.S.
 
ram limitations, i have a mbp with 16gb and with 25 chrome tabs open the ram pressure is already in the yellow. currently have a memory swap around 4gb to disk.
I have 16gb in the MacBook Air M1 and haven't really run into much of memory problems, but there are times when I do push it and see things begin to slow down. My partner has 8gb of memory on hers and ran out of memory using Google Chrome with over 30 tabs. She installed a plug-in to make the tabs go to sleep when not in use and she hasn't had that issue.

Oddly, I have Windows 11 running on my MacBook Air M1 and had allowed Parallels to determine the memory size or I had changed it to 6gb before and gotten okay performance. Last week, I changed the memory to 8gb (I have 16gb memory, remember) and using 4 cores and now Windows 11 flies!

If I were going to buy the MacBook Pro, I would never get anything less than 32gb of memory. For the Pro, I have always felt 16gb or less should not be an option. I also feel that the M1 should not be on the Pro either. The M1 should stay with the Air and the M1 Max and M1 Pro should be for the MacBook Pro.
 
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I have 16gb in the MacBook Air M1 and haven't really run into much of memory problems, but there are times when I do push it and see things begin to slow down. My partner has 8gb of memory on hers and ran out of memory using Google Chrome with over 30 tabs. She installed a plug-in to make the tabs go to sleep when not in use and she hasn't had that issue.

Oddly, I have Windows 11 running on my MacBook Air M1 and had allowed Parallels to determine the memory size or I had changed it to 6gb before and gotten okay performance. Last week, I changed the memory to 8gb (I have 16gb memory, remember) and using 4 cores and now Windows 11 flies!

If I were going to buy the MacBook Pro, I would never get anything less than 32gb of memory. For the Pro, I have always felt 16gb or less should not be an option. I also feel that the M1 should not be on the Pro either. The M1 should stay with the Air and the M1 Max and M1 Pro should be for the MacBook Pro.
agreed, my next purchase would def be 32gb and if 64gb is affordable i would opt for that. having less tabs is non-negotiable since i have to have 15 of them open for work and another 10 for personal.
 
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Maybe, but even if close all other apps and only have 200 or so tabs open, 16 GB struggles. It's easy for the average person to get to a few hundred tabs with general browsing project management. I have multiple folders with 50 to 100 bookmarks. My desktop PC currently has over 1000 tabs open right now. Each is separated into different windows so I can quickly jump between projects.

Or what if you are trying to reconcile a few dozen emails among what's an average inbox size, 100,000 messages?

I am just saying that 16 GB is no longer a lot of ram for the average user.
What adblocker do you use? If I have more than 20 tabs open my M1 MacBook Air with 8 GBs of memory slows down to a literal snail's pace. The big problem with the internet these days is that nearly every website these days has dozens of ads which dramatically slow down the web browsing experience, sucking up a lot of RAM.
 
Given web browsers also act as office suites, PDF readers, email clients, web apps (todo apps, calendars, etc.), audio players, video chat (Zoom, Teams, etc.), news, shopping centers, chat services (messenger, discord, etc.), storage (cloud, onedrive, etc.), social media (twitter, facebook, etc.), sports, research, and general inquiries - the average person likely starts their day with 50+ tabs.

By the end of the day, they are going to have a lot of tabs open.
Accepting that we're both basing this off anecdotal evidence based on our own macrocosm of experience, I can assure the average person does not. It's only two years ago that I had to put a sticker over the lock on my late father's front door showing the carers which way to turn the key to get in because two thirds of them complained they couldn't unlock his door. Then I had to make sure his tinned food was all in pull-ring cans because another quarter of them couldn't work his 'butterfly' tin opener. I can assure you these people don't start their day with 50 browser tabs open.

Now maybe in your particular world where everyone has a much higher level of IT literacy and dependence, your experience is completely different, and I'm no way questioning that. That's your experience. But your experience and use is IMO not even nearly typical, it's a bubble.
 
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I always wondered users who claim they need hundreds of tabs open, would they be equally well served if most of those tabs are just closed and only called upon from bookmarks when needed.

It is not like the 56k era where reloading a webpage was a serious bandwidth and resource problem. Hell most browsers even had offline caching mode that were user accessible via a toggle.
 
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I always wondered users who claim they need hundreds of tabs open, would they be equally well served if most of those tabs are just closed and only called upon from bookmarks when needed.

It is not like the 56k era where reloading a webpage was a serious bandwidth and resource problem. Hell most browsers even had offline caching mode that were user accessible via a toggle.
Last time I checked, a fresh viewing of the MR front page with nothing cached is about a 5MB download. Kinda blows me away considering how companies were trying to keep their front page around 100K or less back in the dialup days.
 
Last time I checked, a fresh viewing of the MR front page with nothing cached is about a 5MB download. Kinda blows me away considering how companies were trying to keep their front page around 100K or less back in the dialup days.
And all the pixelated banner or poster images that are compressed to their barebones. Granted the abundance of bandwidth even on mobile networks has rendered lean sites practice no longer necessary. This sort of compounds the load that multi-tabs users are having also. Content rich sites like Facebook or Pinterest just downloads images like a waterfall. I have no idea how some people insist on leaving literal hundreds of tabs opened given how sites behave nowadays.
 
Maybe, but even if close all other apps and only have 200 or so tabs open, 16 GB struggles. It's easy for the average person to get to a few hundred tabs with general browsing project management. I have multiple folders with 50 to 100 bookmarks. My desktop PC currently has over 1000 tabs open right now. Each is separated into different windows so I can quickly jump between projects.

Or what if you are trying to reconcile a few dozen emails among what's an average inbox size, 100,000 messages?

I am just saying that 16 GB is no longer a lot of ram for the average user.
I can’t believe they are still offering computers with 8 GB of RAM in them as options today. Very definition of machines designed to be thrown away.
 
Accepting that we're both basing this off anecdotal evidence based on our own macrocosm of experience, I can assure the average person does not. It's only two years ago that I had to put a sticker over the lock on my late father's front door showing the carers which way to turn the key to get in because two thirds of them complained they couldn't unlock his door. Then I had to make sure his tinned food was all in pull-ring cans because another quarter of them couldn't work his 'butterfly' tin opener. I can assure you these people don't start their day with 50 browser tabs open.

Now maybe in your particular world where everyone has a much higher level of IT literacy and dependence, your experience is completely different, and I'm no way questioning that. That's your experience. But your experience and use is IMO not even nearly typical, it's a bubble.
I should maybe qualify that it’s normal if you use a computer as a work tool. The people you describe have other tools they would likely find issues with low end versions of. But, they probably use, could get away with, or would be better off with an iPad.

I love my iPads, but as good as their multitasking skills have grown, productivity is highest when you want to focus on one thing.

People who paid for production are going to be working on multiple things at once. They want to shift back and forth between clients and projects. As a result you end up with a lot of active services.

My takeaway has been that Apple, and by extension reviewers, classify workloads poorly. So when hardware recommendations are made people immediately say these machines are for video editing / rendering and all other tasks can be done with stock configurations.

I don’t think my use case is atypical. Ask the average user if they would prefer if they never had to quit an app or close tabs. Even if they only saw a 20 or 30% increase in however they measure productively, they would still see one. But you can’t do that with 8 or 16 GB of ram.
 
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