MacBook Pro Target Audience?

Discussion in 'MacBook Pro' started by project_2501, Jun 18, 2018.

  1. project_2501 macrumors 6502

    Jul 1, 2017
    Who are the 2016/2017 MacBook Pros aimed at?

    Let's look at some facts:

    • lower battery life, smaller battery capacity - so for casual users who don't need to travel and work with them?
    • keyboard ergonomics that aren't loved universally (to put it generously) - so not for those who spend a significant time working at the keyboard. yes, some people like the new keyboard, but a keyboard loved by some people and not most people is a significant design direction
    • poorer thermal design - which means the faster modern CPUs and GPUs can'r actually perform at their peak for very long before throttling kicks in - so not for anyone crunching numbers, processing images or video, transcoding music, .. any kind of load which some might refer to as "pro" workloads
    • loss of ports - professionals in many fields from teaching to engineering, from music production to control systems, and technology professionals need convenient ports like HDMI, USB-A, audio-in, ethernet even. the idea of carrying around dongles is not as convenient, and is expensive, and worse, not as reliable - yes some dongles and hubs overheat and some actually fail due to poor electronic implementations. remember the idea of a laptop is portable convenience
    • loss of industry standards - like end of life for OpenGL/Vulkan .. zero support for Blu-Ray .. crippled versions of unix standards like Dtrace ...
    • regressions - for example, the old MacOS previewer used to be able to print PDFs in "poster/tiling" mode ... the new ones don't any more.
    • the volume and frequency of apple announcements for items like "emojis" and "night mode" and "window manager themes like darkmode" .. these are fine .. but suggests clearly who the audience for the MacBook Pro is. Investment of time, money and expertise .. into case colours...

    So is the MacBook Pro, like broader direction of Apple, now a fashion item?
  2. maflynn Moderator


    Staff Member

    May 3, 2009
    The battery typically lasts 10 hours, so while the battery size may not be the largest it out performs many other windows machines

    Yep, people tolerate it, or hate it. Very few actually love it. The mantra that is heard is that you'll get used to it. It bothersome that paying a 3,000 dollar laptop and you have to accomodate a short coming.

    I have to disagree, Apple has one of the best thermals out there. I've not found any issues of throttling nor do I hear a lot of people complaining

    Yep bothersome, but by the same token, its not really a loss. There's a simple solution, bring the proper cable for your needs.

    I hear many proponents argue that this is a bad move, but others state its depricated standard and people are moving away. I may no claim to know either side, as I'm not familar. All I do know is that it will impact the number of games available.

    Go to the Apple store and see who's buying the laptop. Apple is catering to their audience. I personally don't like it but they're making billions on their Mac line so they must be doing something right. I know that some (many?) content creators are unhappy but they're not apple's focus and haven't been for decades. Apple is a consumer company, pure and simple.
  3. applebro macrumors regular


    Sep 8, 2012
    Teens and college students that surf Facebook all day. Duh
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    project_2501 thread starter macrumors 6502

    Jul 1, 2017
    So nobody thinks the MacBook Pro for significant/serious/professional users?
  5. chabig macrumors 603

    Sep 6, 2002
    They are for anybody who wants the most powerful, full featured, connectable, Mac notebook computers. This is the 22nd thread you’ve started to complain about the MacBook Pros. Give it up.
  6. eddjedi macrumors 6502

    Sep 7, 2011
    Yes, I do. I use my Macbook Pro for website development, image manipulation, and music production. Fair to call all three professional tasks I believe, I get paid for doing all of them.

    I like the keyboard, it took a bit of getting used to but now I really like the feel of it. No dead keys on mine yet. The TB3 ports are way faster than any legacy port so again much better for Pro users. I also like the fact I can hook up all my peripherals including external minotor and power with a single cable, you can't do that with the 2015 model. The battery lasts about 4-5 hours, good enough for me. Mine doesn't get hot because I got the twin fan TB model.

    Sorry to piss on your chips, not everybody hates them.
  7. maflynn Moderator


    Staff Member

    May 3, 2009
    No, not at all, I think the machine is perfectly capable of doing many professional tasks, both significant and serious. My point is that apple's target is the consumer.
  8. Fishrrman macrumors P6


    Feb 20, 2009
    "MacBook Pro Target Audience?"

    Folks who gotz da money!
  9. Porkchop Sandwich macrumors regular

    Feb 3, 2017
    I use my 2017 MBP to run and manage an entire manufacturing business. (machine shop)

    I really like the keyboard.

    I'm a rebel.
  10. New_Mac_Smell macrumors 68000


    Oct 17, 2016
    Clearly not MacRumors forum users, that's for sure.

    I use mine on site and as a portable computer. I don't expect my portable computer to be able to outperform my desktop, so I don't complain if it's a little slow when rendering or gets a little hot. As a compromise, it's a perfect balance that's not overpowered and heavy. I find it a good weight with a perfectly powerful hardware spec and great form factor.

    I guess a lot of people buy these as their main computer, then are amazed when they can't run 20 virtual machines on it or something. I guess 'Professionals' is a rather vague term these days, most people who do something for a living are capable of knowing what they need to do the job.

    Meh who knows. Either way, getting any statistics from a self-help site is a rather doomed endeavor.
  11. Robnsn2015 macrumors 6502

    Jul 12, 2015
    Depends on the profession.

    Sometimes, I can get away with just using an iPad Pro. Most of the time I need something more. I still use my 2013 MacBook Pro in "legacy mode," but this year I moved on to a Dell Latitude 2-in-1. It has USB-A, USB-C, and HDMI ports. And if Latitudes are good enough for major consulting firms, they are good enough for me.
  12. AdamA9 macrumors 65816

    Feb 2, 2010
    The many, not the few. Obviously.
  13. Beau10, Jun 20, 2018
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  14. futurejetblackowner, Jun 20, 2018
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    Oct 24, 2016
    I know more people with MacBook Pros than other MacBook models. I love my MacBook Pro.
  15. Queen6 macrumors 604


    Dec 11, 2008
    Flying over the rainforest at dawn - Priceless
    Totally depends on the usage, definitely not for me far too comprised for my liking, with the aesthetic taking frontstage over usability. In short the MBP is a consumer orientated notebook that works for some and works against others regardless of role.

  16. Falhófnir macrumors 68040


    Aug 19, 2017
    The 15” is basically a middle-tier power jack of all trades, it’s thin and light and as powerful as it can be given that. You can do a bit of everything with it, though not necessarily very fast/well for demanding tasks. The 13” is basically an ultrabook/ an ultrabook with an unusually high TDP.

    The issue is Apple only has fragments of the market covered with the current lineup. If you want a screen bigger than 13” you have to go for a high end 15” pro which has lots of performance (that you are paying for) which will sit idle if you don’t need it. If you want a basic computer for around $1,000-$1,250 you’re stuck with either the MBA and it’s lower-res screen and outdated CPUs, the tiny MB or the 128GB version of the MBP. If you want something really potent, there’s not really any option available to you at all. I’d suggest the following as a way to maximise the reach of the lineup whilst jettisoning overlapping options as much as possible:

    Pro: 15" and 17" Macbook Pros. The 17" is leveraged properly to offer a truly powerful portable-in-a-pinch workstation. Only dedicated graphics options, only higher tier storage (512GB+). The 13" is jettisoned because realistically you can't get much above consumer grade components in it. $2,399 and $2,999 starting prices.

    Consumer: 12", 13" and 15" MacBooks. Latter two top out at 28W Cpus max, former uses Y series. No dedicated graphics options, no more than 3 storage tiers and 2 RAM tiers each. $999, $1,199 and $1,399 starting prices.
  17. Trixs macrumors regular

    Mar 26, 2008
    Is that your own experience? The battery never ever lasts 10 hours for me, not even 5. Unless 10 hours of Itunes video, that might work.

    More on topic, the Macbook pro is mostly targeted at cold brew sipping, I'm too hip for Starbucks, bros like myself.
  18. maflynn Moderator


    Staff Member

    May 3, 2009
    My mac is considerably older, but I've gotten a full day's worth of work while on the battery.
  19. Trixs macrumors regular

    Mar 26, 2008
    A model before 2016 I guess? I’m sure those last significantly longer yeah
  20. maflynn Moderator


    Staff Member

    May 3, 2009
    Yeah, I have a 2012, and its been a solid performer. I got a new battery for it, and its been great. I've said this many times, that 2012 MBP is the best laptop I've over owned. :)

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