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timmillwood said:
Macbook Pro
So Alienware has faster processer, 80GB more HHD, AMAZING resolution of 1920x1200 all for $40 less

The only problem is it runs Windows!

I hope the Macbook Pro with Core 2 Duo has that good screen though, and 2 hard drives ready for time machine

The Alienware machine is 66% thicker, weighs significantly more, and is much uglier. It also isn't ready to ship, so you can't assume Apple won't have a MBP with the same processor by the time the Alienware ships. The very high resolution is, as others have pointed out, not necessarily an advantage.
 
milozauckerman said:
I'm still waiting for someone to explain to me how a 1.66-inch thick laptop is a horrifying ball and chain to carry around for eternity, but 1-inch laptop is like carrying a bag of golden feathers floating on pixie dust.
Because if you ever were forced by that creepy guy from Saw to eat your laptop or get brutally killed, you'd have to stomach less silicon, metal, and plastic with a Macbook Pro than an Alienware.
 
vv-tim said:
And there's not a 100% chance Apple will announce tomorrow or at Paris. Alienware is better today, nobody said they'd always have that edge.

Windows runs faster at pretty much everything I've tried... Mac OS X beachballs, pales in gaming performance, and network performance on wireless signals is poor.

Not saying I prefer Windows, but saying OS X is faster is a load of crap.

Why do you compare hardware? Uhhh... because you're buying the hardware.

You don't simply buy an Apple when you want Mac OS X anymore. It was before when Apples didn't run Windows. Things have changed now. Apple's actually gaining new converts instead of sliding backwards and relying on iPod sales.

One of the major reasons Apple is now a contender is because their hardware is no on-par with other computer manufacturers.

Something (even Apple) needs to understand now is that it's not Apple vs. PC. Apple is a "PC". They can fight Mac OS X versus Windows all they want, but that's their only distinction (and their aesthetic beauty, which is what won my heart).

I agree with you on the last point, a "Mac" is nothing more than a PC that can run OS X, on the PowerPC days the hardware was inferior, today its equal and at a good price, so as I see it, Apple can now be compared as a prebuilt manufacturer in the lines of Dell, Alienware, etc... and as far as they go, Apple is the only prebuilt I like, now if we could only build our own Macs :p

Maybe you were trying Windows on faster hardware? I'm very open minded and I like Windows and I just laugh when people say it crashes, it virus prone, etc, etc, etc, I even went as far as opening 50 or so apps in Windows to prove people not only Macs can do that but I'm also very realistic and from my personal experience games run TONS faster on Windows XP, no argument there but some applications like Photoshop ran a little faster on Mac OS X and well my main point was to say that even though the Alienware might do a Photoshop filter a second faster, stuff like expose will make working on Mac OS X more pleasant, yeah I know expose sounds like a small thing but when you have to work on 30 simultaneous pictures on photoshop you'll think differently.
 
milozauckerman said:
I'm still waiting for someone to explain to me how a 1.66-inch thick laptop is a horrifying ball and chain to carry around for eternity, but 1-inch laptop is like carrying a bag of golden feathers floating on pixie dust.
Actually, I said that the 17" MBP weighs a ton and is absolutely huge. It's at the absolute limit of what I call "portable", personally. If you added half again to the thickness, an inch in both horizontal directions, and over a pound to the weight, it crosses the line for me. As in me personally--there are plenty of people, I'm sure, for whom that line is above where the AlienWare sits. There are, likewise, plenty of people for whom that line is WAY below the 17" MBP's size.

The point is, you pay for compact in laptops--ALWAYS. That particular AlienWare is simply not in the same class of laptop as the MBP. I'm not saying it's better or worse, but it's not an A to A comparison. You are, basically, getting what you pay for in both cases.

Now, there's PLENTY of room to argue that Apple should make a fatter, cheaper laptop (like low-end Dells) or a fatter, faster one (like that AlienWare) but they don't. They likewise don't make any ultrathin/ultralight laptops yet, so there's no comparison on that front, either.

With laptops, you really do need to take the form factor into account rather than just stats. I mean, if you're not taking the size into account, then you could complain that that particular AlienWare gets its butt kicked by the MJ-12 m7700a with the option of an Opeteron or Athlon FX processor, dual hard drives, a 512MB Quadro graphics card, and a mess of features. It's also over 2" thick, weighs 12 pounds, has a 1.5 hour battery life, and has a 2-pound wall brick. The difference, I'd hope, is obvious.
 
Chone said:
Maybe you were trying Windows on faster hardware? I'm very open minded and I like Windows and I just laugh when people say it crashes, it virus prone, etc, etc, etc, I even went as far as opening 50 or so apps in Windows to prove people not only Macs can do that but I'm also very realistic and from my personal experience games run TONS faster on Windows XP, no argument there but some applications like Photoshop ran a little faster on Mac OS X and well my main point was to say that even though the Alienware might do a Photoshop filter a second faster, stuff like expose will make working on Mac OS X more pleasant, yeah I know expose sounds like a small thing but when you have to work on 30 simultaneous pictures on photoshop you'll think differently.

Nope, I was running Windows in dual boot w/ Mac OS X on this MacBook Pro. Windows is more response, never stalled(no ridiculous beachballs for 30+ seconds), and ran most programs more fluidly without any lag (Firefox, World of Warcraft, it's own Explorer, etc).

Photoshop obviously isn't a fair comparison as it's not a Universal Binary (so Windows on a MacBook Pro obviously runs it far faster).

I do really like expose... but you never know, Vista might copy it.
 
I'm not blind. 1680x1050 on my 20" is pushing it as far as I'm concerned. I'm sure a lot of people feel that way.
I am a MacBook (and former 12" iBook) owner. I love the portability...but would throw it all out for a 1920x1200 rez Apple laptop.

Ever since I owned a 15.4" laptop with that rez (1920x1200), it has been the gold standard for me. Didn't stop me from switching...but I am DEFINITELY hoping to see higher rez Apple laptops at some point.
 
if you ask your question in a mac forum, u're gonna get people to praise Mac for sure.

Me personally have MBP and My Gaming PC which i build myself.

I would rather MBP, which i did. The single most important aspect that made me choose MBP over Alienware is OS X =D
 
if you ask your question in a mac forum, u're gonna get people to praise Mac for sure.

Me personally have MBP and My Gaming PC which i build myself.

I would rather MBP, which i did. The single most important aspect that made me choose MBP over Alienware is OS X =D

why would you resurrect a 5 year old thread?
 
haha i read the MBP specs w/ C2D and DDR2 for 3grand and I was like :eek:

and then i realized....
 
Whoops didn't realise this was an old thread. Have deleted my post and replaced with this text.
 
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Sorry for keeping this thread bumped, but it's interesting to see the difference in price these 2 machines now command, almost 6 years on.
 
Skimming these posts, I think the arguments miss the most important issue:

Alienware Horror Stories.

If you Google it you see results here.

Look, I know that a manufacturer can't please everyone and there are going to be people that complain, but in my lifetime in IT I have never seen a more consistent stream of complaints against a notebook manufacturer.

I have had nothing but great success with Apple's support. I have also dealt with HP and Dell (I know they own Alienware) with varying degrees of success.

However, Alienware continues to have a terrible reputation. If you look else where besides Google - like ratings sites- you will see they continue to score low.

Finally, I'm sure that there are those out there who will claim that their second cousin on their mother's side of the family has an Alienware and it has worked great for years. I'm sure it has and they problem even saw bigfoot hanging out with Elvis.

In the end, given my work and my need to depend on my equipment, why would you take the chance? I'm fascinated by the amount of people who I think truly read these 'horror stories' and still order from Alienware thinking "Well, that won't happen to me!"

Longevity, Service, and Support are very important to me.

Just my thoughts...

-P
 
I agree, I've been an Apple convert since the iPhone 3 came out, I wouldn't buy another Dell/HP/etc new, although I do have Windows machines in the fleet.

Apple service has been second to none in my experience, I've only had to use the support service once on a new iMac with a screen issue - which they replaced the whole machine without hassle.

Worth every penny, IMHO
 
This is a tough call as others have said the MBP is going to be outdated soon. I have never been a huge fan of alienware machines as I have heard they have a pretty high failure rate. However if you were to get a MBP and then add say 8GB of RAM and like a 120/128GB Intel or similar SSD then you'll probably be good to go. I think thats your best bet is going MBP with a RAM and SSD combo.
 
Dear God! Let this zombie thread die! This is why you always check the date before replying to a 6 year old message.
 
This is a tough call as others have said the MBP is going to be outdated soon. I have never been a huge fan of alienware machines as I have heard they have a pretty high failure rate. However if you were to get a MBP and then add say 8GB of RAM and like a 120/128GB Intel or similar SSD then you'll probably be good to go. I think thats your best bet is going MBP with a RAM and SSD combo.

BOTH MACHINES ARE GARBAGE!!! They are both 6 years old!!! Stop posting.
 
BOTH MACHINES ARE GARBAGE!!! They are both 6 years old!!! Stop posting.

Get off your high horse I saw several different replies to it and thought that it may once again have been relevant again so please get off your high horse if you don't have anything to add DONT POST.
 
Alienware Horror Stories.

Just my Applesauce...

-P

The horror. The horror. The horror.

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