Hi As I'm sure many of you are at the moment, I feel the upgrades, while needed by apple to remain competitive, were not amazing, and still keep the MBP at a relatively high price. I keep switching and upgrading my mac, because I can (and because I get them at very good prices and can usually sell them after 6 months for what I paid or more). Right now though, I'm trying to decide what some of my options are. I've built several computers from other manufacturers (I'm not trying to insult anybody and I'm not looking for conflicts, I only want to try and put things into perspective and get your input on this). My first option is the Base Macbook Pro. It has: 2.4ghz 3MB cache penryn processor 2 gigs of ram 200 gig hard drive 8600GT 256MB built in cam and bluetooth n wireless LED backlight screen (a huge bonus over most PC manufaturers) For simplicity's sake, I'll put the prices in Canadian: I can get this MBP for 1900$ tax in. Retail is 2100$ + 13.5% tax normally for comparison. ---------- Another option is the ThinkPad T61 15 inch I've configured a model to have a 15 inch screen 2.4ghz 3MB cache penryn processor 2 gigs of ram 250 gig hard drive (since they didnt have a 200 option at 5400rpm) bluetooth n wireless WXGA screen (not as high res as MBP, nor is it LED backlight) Some crappy nvidia workstation graphics card (edit: turns out this card is actually quite good, probably close to as good as the 8600) Total price after huge lenovo discounts: 1105 + 13.5% tax = 1254$ ---------- Now I dont want to piss anybody off over here, so please lets not start some big war of mac vs PC. I used to use a PC but for the past 2 years I've been using a mac almost exclusively and I'm very happy with it. However, its hard to ignore that this thinkpad will save me about 650$ for a couple of tradeoffs such as a graphics card and a backlight keyboard. OS X is the biggest thing I would miss with the thinkpad (short of using pearPC or any of that crap), but nobody can tell me the hardware of the thinkpad in terms of build quality is lacking, as in my opinion they are top notch. Am I missing something here? Anybody have any other suggestions to get some decent prices on MBPs or on any other comparable models?