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MacBook Pros with Thunderbolt, ATI/AMD Graphics?
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I'll be checking the iOS Apple store app, Apple web page and macrumors every 20 minutes. Then reserve it through the iOS app and go pick it up. Just hope that the specs will be good enough so I don't have to build mine online and wait till Monday.
They can't do that with Sandy Bridge, however rumors are Ivy Bridge has dedicated 256MB-512MB LPDDR2 memory for graphics.
So the 13" PRO will have Intel IGP?
Such a deal...
The benchmarks for the igp of sandybridge is right around 320m's performance.
First people complain about the last generation 13 inch mbps not using nehalems and sticking to core2duo to use 320m, and now they're complaining about not using 320m for using a much more competent cpu? Hard to please people.
my bad... so I don't see what all the thunder is about... wake me up when its at 10GB/s Light Peak and FireWire have the fewest syllables, so are the best names to use, IMO.
Fire-wire
Light-Peak
You-ess-bee
Thun-der-bolt
Still, USB is the easiest to type.
Macs always used to bounce between ATi and NVidia, so I think this announcement can only be a good thing that we aren't tied to Intel and NVidia GPUs.
Not so fast. Nvidia and AMD spec GPU TDP differently. Nvidia gives entire card. AMD only specifies GPU itself, so their numbers are actually lower than a comparable Nvidia solution. It's more likely we'll see 6500 or 6700 series solutions. Let's just hope apple finally offers 1 GB VRAM options if this is true.
1) No MBP's have NVIDIA cards. They have onboard chips.
2) The CNet article does not say anything about cards. And there will be no graphics cards. There will be discrete on-board chips.
the gpu itself is the processing chip, and can be on its own separate daughterboard or not. Apple always puts them onto the main motherboard for their notebooks, but keep them on their separate daughterboards for their iMacs.
How is it with drivers for ATI/AMD graphic cards and Apple? Does Apple have their own or can you always download the latest release from the AMD site?
Most are. Hp, Dell, clevo/sager, asus, msi etc all use mobile GPU cards that conform to some standard, either proprietary or plain old MXM. As cmaeir points out, they're onboard chips for MBP, but the difference still remains. Nvidia includes the GDDR RAM (amongst other things) in their TDP number. AMD does not, GPU only. Since an AMD GPU solution would be based on the cards that all other manufacturers use, the TDP would still hold.
Still, 6830 is not happeninc. Apple never uses the highest-end component that would compromise profits and potentially cause heat issues.
Apple would have to lie completely to make the Intel IGP fare better than the Nvidia 9400m. The 320m will blow away the Intel IGP. Sadly, Apple will probably rotate through and update its Mac lineup faster than usual to not make its 13" Pros look like garbage.
I really believe Tue Intel IGP will end up with more of the same when Intel's IGPs were used in the past. It is a terribly inferior graphics non-solution. I beleieve everyone would be better off with C2D and 320m over crapzilla's IGP.
Intel is great at CPUs but makes disgusting IGPs. It sucks Intel has played dirty to force Nvidia out of the GPU Chooser business.
I see problems in any Mac stuck depending on an Intel IGP and poorly written drivers and OpenGL shortcomings to Windows counterparts. I expect many disappointed when Tue truth comes out. I wouldn't put it past Apple making a less capable graphics driver set for Nvidia GPUs in the next OS X update so lies can make Intel's junk seem acceptable. Prepare to be lied to and crapped on when Intel is providing the graphics. Oh and worst of all you will not be able to depending it when you need it most.
Some will try to flame but deep down everyone knows it's true. Apple absolutely needed a discrete GPU in the 13" MBP. It is not a PRO MB without a discrete GPU no matter what Tue label says!
I really believe Tue Intel IGP will end up with more of the same when Intel's IGPs were used in the past. It is a terribly inferior graphics non-solution. I beleieve everyone would be better off with C2D and 320m over crapzilla's IGP.
Intel is great at CPUs but makes disgusting IGPs. It sucks Intel has played dirty to force Nvidia out of the GPU Chooser business.
I see problems in any Mac stuck depending on an Intel IGP and poorly written drivers and OpenGL shortcomings to Windows counterparts. I expect many disappointed when Tue truth comes out. I wouldn't put it past Apple making a less capable graphics driver set for Nvidia GPUs in the next OS X update so lies can make Intel's junk seem acceptable. Prepare to be lied to and crapped on when Intel is providing the graphics. Oh and worst of all you will not be able to depending it when you need it most.
Some will try to flame but deep down everyone knows it's true. Apple absolutely needed a discrete GPU in the 13" MBP. It is not a PRO MB without a discrete GPU no matter what Tue label says!
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In fact, Thunderbolts (with the addition of a letter "s" at the end) is the name of a Marvel Comics superhero team!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thunderbolts_(comics)
It looks like Intel is jumping on the bandwagon of those movie studios who are rushing out tons of those Marvel Comics/DC Comics superhero movies by giving "Light Peak" that "funky" name...
Hmmm. How will this affect photoshop performance? Will the new ones be much faster because of the processor? Is the newer intel crap really only affect gamers?
6830 isn't the highest end. It has 6850, 6870, 6950 and 6970 above it. The 68xx cards are 58xx rebrands.
Any source for this? I'd like to read up on it a bit more.
Regardless any 6500 or 6700 still outperforms a 525M.
A 6830 is not a "highest-end component" and I'm unaware of how much of a difference really is between NVIDIA's and AMD's ratings.
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Thanks for insulting my intelligence I guess. I absolutely understand and deserve that....
What if I want to test cuda code on my laptop like I've been doing before I actually run it on a desktop with a full data set?
In the future, don't assume everyone is dumb and falls within your set of use cases.
inertiadriftsc said:Absolutely. Not supporting CUDA will make me a sad panda.
learn OpenCL? Its a little bit more clunky than CUDA but it's a pretty good standard IMO. Also, If you are doing CUDA work just SSH into a desktop with a card worth using for CUDA... It's really not hard to SSH...
Thanks for insulting my intelligence I guess. I absolutely understand and deserve that....
What if I want to test cuda code on my laptop like I've been doing before I actually run it on a desktop with a full data set?
In the future, don't assume everyone is dumb and falls within your set of use cases.