Macbook underpowered for (full) Leopard?

Discussion in 'MacBook Pro' started by zub3qin, Jun 10, 2007.

  1. zub3qin macrumors 65816


    Apr 10, 2007
    Anyone else have a strong concern about Leopard and Macbook?
    Many are guessing that there will be a huge leap forward on the GUI with leopard- requiring perhaps a much better graphics processor than what Macbook's have. This may be especially true with Core Animation.

    While Leopard will absolutely run on the Macbooks, is there anyone else who fears that some eyecandy will not work well unless you have a better graphics chip?
  2. Dynamyk macrumors 6502a


    Jul 8, 2005
    Considering most people have Macbooks I highly doubt it.
  3. Vidd macrumors 6502a


    Mar 7, 2006
    The GMA is not optimised for 3D processes but for 2D it's fine.
    Leopard won't feature any extensive 3D GUI features and so the Macbook will have no problem.
  4. zub3qin thread starter macrumors 65816


    Apr 10, 2007
    If this is the case, why are advanced Photo applications and video apps not so great on the MB vs MBP?

    Also, out of curiosity- what exactly constitutes 3D? Is a desktop cube rotating 3D? If windows could spin back and front (like dashboard info settings) and also on their sides, so you could stack them up- is that 3D?

    Or is "real" 3d which people refer to with the MB vs MBP truly just related to gaming.

    Not being rude- I am just clueless with the whole graphics processor thing.

    I suppose if all the iMacs also had the same built in graphics as the MB, it would be more comforting. But the MBP and iMacs (except for the 17" one which is rumored to be phased out) all have a dedicated processor. MB and MacMini are the only ones left without. (and we all know what is going to happen to the mini).

    MB and MacMini's MAY be in a precarious situation... no?
  5. SMM macrumors 65816


    Sep 22, 2006
    Tiger Mountain - WA State
    I think you are assuming facts not in evidence. Apple is not going to leave a large part of their installed user base hanging. The other side does that. I am not being rude - but I think you can relax.
  6. MagicUK macrumors regular


    May 12, 2007
    Hampshire, England
  7. glhiii macrumors regular

    Nov 4, 2006
    Macbook memory and display

    Under Tiger, the display on the Macbook uses 64 MB of main RAM. The newest Macbooks can take up to 3 gigs, so perhaps Leopard will allow the use of more RAM for the display. This would probably make the graphics more responsive. I have 3 gigs and a 160 gb hard disk in my Macbook, and it seems pretty fast for most things.
  8. flopticalcube macrumors G4


    Sep 7, 2006
    In the velcro closure of America's Hat
    The 64MB barrier is a Tiger issue. Under bootcamp'd XP it goes all the way to 224MB. Perhaps Leopard will let it run a little freer. If it does, 512MB MacBook and mini owners should think about getting more RAM. ;)
  9. Igantius macrumors 65816

    Apr 29, 2007
    Which video apps are you referring to exactly? If you're referring to video editing, then this is not the case.

    But basing their guesses on what?

    I believe (and if I'm sure people who know more than I do will correct me) that the biggest change to OS X's GUI will be Core Animation (which allows developers to create visual special effects within applications) - to take advantage of this feature, your Mac must be Core Image-able.

    The MB's GMA 950 chipset can perfectly power Core Image effects in Tiger, so I'm guessing it'll be able to handle Core Animation.

    With Core Animation, what is important, is whether the Mac is multi-cored - it helps if one core can run the application as another runs the Core Animation.

    Of course, I could be completely wrong - some who has experience of the betas would be in a much better position to say!
  10. Sbrocket macrumors 65816


    Jun 3, 2007
    This is not Vista and Aero. This is an Apple product that they can develop for a controlled set of hardware.

    In other words, no -- most Macbooks are plenty powerful to handle Leopard's new features.

  11. Mac-Addict macrumors 65816


    Aug 30, 2006
    If anything it will be better because Tiger was just ported to intel processors and Leopard will be built for Intel and PPC chips. Just be happy you dont have to look at Leopard Home Basic or Leopard Home Premium Or Leopard Ultimate Lite or Leopard Ultimate full and so on.
  12. Episteme macrumors regular

    Jan 25, 2007
    I suspect Leopard might be a little hungrier when it comes to RAM -- Apple just doubled the RAM on most of the mobile systems they sell after all... of course, RAM is so cheap now, it could just be their way of staying competitive without the "We don't do that here" price cuts, too... :)

    The good news is that upgrading RAM easy and cheap at this point.
  13. marine610610 macrumors regular

    Mar 23, 2007
    Its all good

    You see users on here all the time with G3/G4 and even older Macs. From what i read they are running the current OS just fine. This is my first Mac, (MBP) and a lot of my motivation for buying it is that i knew Apple would keep building things that i could use for a couple years after i bought it. If i get 3-4 years out of this laptop im happy.
  14. snood macrumors newbie

    Jan 6, 2004
    I was more worried about macbook performance in leopard+1 than in leopard, but I can see being concerned with leopard as well.

    Anyway, if it's any consolation I'm currently using an 867mhz 12" powerbook which is about 4.5 years old, and the only os effect my laptop is incapable of performing is the water ripple in dashboard. This laptop has been through 3 different versions of os x, and to only have one piece of eyecandy missing is pretty impressive. Here's hoping that legacy continues with the macbook.
  15. psycoswimmer macrumors 65816


    Sep 27, 2006
    Lets just hope there's not 5 different versions where only the "Baby Leopard" can run on the MacBooks.
  16. Sbrocket macrumors 65816


    Jun 3, 2007
    I think that if history has shown us anything its that Apple is good about maintaining good performance for new versions of OSX on older systems. That's the beauty of having a small, controlled set of hardware to develop for.

  17. toughboy macrumors 6502a


    May 2, 2003
    Izmir, Turkey
    Even Mac mini with 1.25GHz G4 will (and should) support Leopard (with adequate RAM ofcourse).

    Otherwise I would start calling Apple "the new Micro$oft":rolleyes:
  18. Vidd macrumors 6502a


    Mar 7, 2006
    I thought the G4 Mini's graphics card couldn't handle Core Image properly with features such as the ripple animation for Widgets disabled. Is that wrong?
  19. AppleIntelRock macrumors 65816


    Aug 14, 2006
    Apple's new operating system leaving an in-production machine out to dry?
    I think not! :rolleyes: ;)
  20. Eidorian macrumors Penryn


    Mar 23, 2005
    Max out your RAM in the MacBook and the GUI shouldn't be that much of a problem.
  21. iW00t macrumors 68040


    Nov 7, 2006
    Defenders of Apple Guild
    Says who?

    Photoshop works just as great on a MacBook as on a MacBook Pro, barring small difference for the processor speeds of course. For stuff like Aperture, Apple elected to use T&L on the GPU to perform non destructive edits and previews on the images. It is how they choose to implement it, it has nothing to image editing per se.
  22. Taylor C macrumors 6502a

    May 27, 2007
    I highly doubt Apple would engineer their next-generation OS in a way that most of the features would be inaccessible to people using their wildly popular consumer notebook.
  23. GusR9 macrumors member


    Apr 20, 2007
    Straight forward

    Remember that Get A Mac Ad named Surgery?
    Apple would in a very bad position making jokes about what you need for a new computer and suddenly all the MacBooks cant power Leopard...
    Remember..straight forward
  24. wangchunggti337 macrumors regular


    Jan 14, 2007
    Core Duo?

    Is a Core Duo MacBook going to be able to run Leopard?

    I know Steve said it will be 64 bit top to bottom. Does that mean all the first generation MacBooks are SOL?
  25. Episteme macrumors regular

    Jan 25, 2007
    It's more likely that they'll just release what amounts to a 32bit version on the disk as well, and when you install it'll detect what hardware you have and select the appropriate version.

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