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how do they screw up developers?
the developers sign on for it, they aren't forced into it. its their choice in the end, and gains them exposure and new customers.

See post #21 on this thread.

I agree that it's the developer's choice in the end. But I guess it will be more encouraging for the developers to come forth if they had a percentage of share (assuming they are doing the same thing this time, i.e., pay lump sum amount to developers). That way, better apps could be on the bundle if developers could make more profit. Right now, reading these MH and MU threads, it seems this is perhaps like the album thing where you buy all the songs for one or two good songs.

Last time, MH raised 200,000 for charity and had collected about 800,000 on ~16800 copies sold. And the rumor goes they paid like $5000-$15000 to the developers. So by that token ~60% goes to Macheist (and about 10-15% to developers).

What is the reason Macrumors don't actively promote MH when they did so for MU, on their front page?! (though it is there on the mac deals).
 
I do monthly budgets carefully w/ my personal finance. To be honest, I think Cha Ching sucks! I bought it right when it came out because the screenshots looked great, but it is much more of a pain in the ass than just doing a spreadsheet - maybe the next version will be better!

As many others have said, if Pixelmator is unlocked I'm in. As regards it not getting unlocked by people sitting on the fence I'd rather risk that than the alternative!
I think I would have sat on the fence, too, but the fact that it's all going to charity put me over the fence. C'mon, dude... give a little...
 
Okay, so I've re-thought this, and realize I may not understand it correctly.

When something gets "unlocked" do the pre-unlocked purchasers get the unlocked software too, or is it just for the people who buy after it's unlocked?

Thanks.
 
Everybody gets the unlocked apps-- regardless of whether you purchased the bundle before or after it was unlocked. :)
 
Okay, so I've re-thought this, and realize I may not understand it correctly.

When something gets "unlocked" do the pre-unlocked purchasers get the unlocked software too, or is it just for the people who buy after it's unlocked?

Thanks.
Everyone gets everything that gets unlocked. For example, I purchased before CSSEdit was unlocked. I also received a link to go to once it got unlocked - I followed the link and grabbed my serial.
 
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh... Okay. Now I feel much better about the whole thing. I was thinking the first X number of buyers got screwed out of the "good" stuff.

I'll go ahead and buy it, just to help the cause. The only thing I really want is 1Password anyway. :) Not a fan of Pixelmator, and Snaps Pro X doesn't work for me. Tried for hours last night.
 
I bought it, and I love it - using a whole bunch of the apps right now. Speed Download is very good, CoverSutra is surprisingly useful, CSSEdit I know I am going to find indispensable, 1passwd is great (and I love the iPhone sync feature!).

If Pixelmator gets unlocked, that will be super sweet. But, for those programs aforementioned alone, it's more than worth it. I haven't tried Cha-Ching yet, but that looks like a great app - and I think I might find that useful.
 
Picked this up yesterday. So far I've only spent time with 1Passwd. Very cool program. I didn't like it initialy, but now that I've figured it out, I think its very good. I've actually deleted all my saved passwords from my browser and now use 1Passwd to populate the necessary fields. I also configured the keychain to log automatically after 5 minutes. This keeps all my information a lot more secure than just saving them in the browser.

Still waiting on the Cha-Ching key. Was interested in this app previously but I couldn't justify spending $40 just for one app. With it being part of this bundle it was hard to pass it up.
 
I've actually deleted all my saved passwords from my browser and now use 1Passwd to populate the necessary fields.
Do you know if it allows for multiple username/passwords to be associated with the same page? Particularly in Camino?

Firefox, Netscape and Safari allows this, but for some insane reason, Camino doesn't. (And this is one of the main deal breakers for me when it comes to Camino.)
 
Do you know if it allows for multiple username/passwords to be associated with the same page? Particularly in Camino?

Firefox, Netscape and Safari allows this, but for some insane reason, Camino doesn't. (And this is one of the main deal breakers for me when it comes to Camino.)


Yep, it does. Hit the keyboard shortcut (cmd + \) and a box will pop up asking you which account to sign into.

Remember you can always try the demo, so you'll be able to answer all the questions yourself :)
 
Yep, it does. Hit the keyboard shortcut (cmd + \) and a box will pop up asking you which account to sign into.
Thanks... :)

Remember you can always try the demo, so you'll be able to answer all the questions yourself :)
I thought of that, but didn't want to mess with my current set up (even if I do special backups of my browser profiles and the login keychain every now and then, it's a bother to set them back up if anything new frells them up, and I do 99% of my work online, so I need those in working order).

I also went to the 1password web page, and even though it did mention Camino it didn't actually mention anything about multiple usernames/passwords on the page (at first glance, anyway).

So I went here instead, where people might actually have tried it and could confirm if it actually worked, and not finding anything mentioned about it, I asked.

I trust this side more than a random Google search.
 
See post #21 on this thread.

I agree that it's the developer's choice in the end. But I guess it will be more encouraging for the developers to come forth if they had a percentage of share (assuming they are doing the same thing this time, i.e., pay lump sum amount to developers). That way, better apps could be on the bundle if developers could make more profit. Right now, reading these MH and MU threads, it seems this is perhaps like the album thing where you buy all the songs for one or two good songs.

Last time, MH raised 200,000 for charity and had collected about 800,000 on ~16800 copies sold. And the rumor goes they paid like $5000-$15000 to the developers. So by that token ~60% goes to Macheist (and about 10-15% to developers).

I think the whole macheist thing is great and I haven't got a problem with it as at the end of the day its up to the developers to decide if its a good deal for them or not. However if these figures are true, then I am a little concerned that they (macheist) are making too much money for just being "middle men" so to speak, fair enough, they are due a cut for the hard work they've put in to putting it all together. The developers should be paid according to how many bundles are sold (not a flat fee), after all thats what makes the bundle worth buying. I guess we'll never really know the true facts/figures. For me, supporting mac developers is the most important thing to come out of this.
 
Still waiting on the Cha-Ching key. Was interested in this app previously but I couldn't justify spending $40 just for one app. With it being part of this bundle it was hard to pass it up.
I'm very curious to hear what you think about cha ching - I bought it before but to be honest, I found that the pretty interface ended up being more difficult to use than a simple spreadsheet for budgeting / expense tracking
 
I'm very curious to hear what you think about cha ching - I bought it before but to be honest, I found that the pretty interface ended up being more difficult to use than a simple spreadsheet for budgeting / expense tracking

I'm still learning the interface. So far I can't enter transactions as quickly as I can in Microsoft Money (via VMware Fusion) but I suspect once I get some more time with it that will improve. I'm going to double enter all the transactions here for a bit and decide which one I'm going to keep using.

Supposedly with this bundle we're getting serials numbers for version 2.0, which from the screenshots, appears to have quite a few nice additions.
 
I think the whole macheist thing is great and I haven't got a problem with it as at the end of the day its up to the developers to decide if its a good deal for them or not. However if these figures are true, then I am a little concerned that they (macheist) are making too much money for just being "middle men" so to speak, fair enough, they are due a cut for the hard work they've put in to putting it all together. The developers should be paid according to how many bundles are sold (not a flat fee), after all thats what makes the bundle worth buying. I guess we'll never really know the true facts/figures. For me, supporting mac developers is the most important thing to come out of this.

Those figures were estimations/guesses and are way low.

Has it ever occurred to you guys that we took on all the financial risk last year with an initiative that, without precedence, none of us could really estimate sales for? And when the sale did well beyond our expectations, we fulfilled a promise of a bonus to the developers, doubling their payments.

But whatever, MacHeist is evil, blablablabla :p
 
Those figures were estimations/guesses and are way low.

Has it ever occurred to you guys that we took on all the financial risk last year with an initiative that, without precedence, none of us could really estimate sales for? And when the sale did well beyond our expectations, we fulfilled a promise of a bonus to the developers, doubling their payments.

But whatever, MacHeist is evil, blablablabla :p

I don't think MH is evil, nor do I have any evidence for that, but money is something that has the capability of bringing that out from anyone.

I would be very happy to see developer's being supported well and encouraged for not only more of such ventures but improving their apps, now that they have another venue of big audience and financial support. I could get the serials or patches for many of these apps from crooked sources but I would rather support these developers who come up with some excellent apps like Papers (if you are a researcher/heavy pdf user, this one is for you), snapzpro, appzapper, 1password, in a hope that they will encourage and improve them further. As a result, I already had bought these application before buying your bundle. Anything less than 50% to developers would be an exploit of the situation, in my opinion. But, ultimately, it's developers who has to decide with their wares.


No. I admit we have had development hell going on for the past year, but I have committed to reviving this after MacHeist 2 here.

Glad to hear you are doing something about that.

Same here. i hope you bring some good stuff to the table now.

this one from the comments (ynot) from your forum:

"Bottom line Phil and John, talk is easy. Let's see action and results. Then, my respect will return." :)

No. I admit we have had development hell going on for the past year, but I have committed to reviving this after MacHeist 2 here.

how come you are a newbie when you joined in 2001. :p
 
The main beef I have with this site is the way they exploit absolutely everyone in order to sell the "bundle". They exploit the developers by not paying them enough for their software (although of course, it is their choice to opt in), they exploit the readers of sites and the editors of other sites with their Malcor rubbish and they exploit Digg.com, a site I'm very fond of by relentlessly spamming it. I thought it was especially disgusting when they "hacked" AppleMatters.com and it ended up throwing dirt on their innocent web host when people believed that their software was to blame.

I don't really see that any of these applications is worth the money. I think that on their own they're clearly not selling at all because many of them are completely pointless. Most of it is just gloss - look at Cha Ching or Coversutra - they're just a pretty interface for something which you could do on your computer already.

The reason most of these developers have signed up seems to be that they are incapable of selling their software based on its merits as an application. If these applications were for Windows then they would be freeware (or at the very most, cheap, cheap shareware) but because it's Mac then the developers think they've got a right to charge extortionate rates for it. What a joke.

I find it hard to believe there are 6,821 people who actually want to write CSS or record stop motion movies. People are buying into the hype and not the applications. They are using every single marketing gimmick in the book to get people to buy this and I'm just disappointed that people are stupid enough to fall for it.

You're not making hundreds of dollars of a saving - you never, ever would have bought all of these applications separately and they're such a diverse mix that I don't think anyone can possibly have a legitimate use for all of them.

The charity thing disgusts me too, the fact that people are willing to buy this bundle just because some money goes to charity is stupid. If you want to give money to charity, why not give money to charity directly? Fair enough if the bundle was sold 100% for charity, but for every dollar that goes to needy causes, some more dollars are lining the pockets of the owners of this site.

By the look of things too, sales aren't as strong as MacHeist had hoped - they've unlocked this Snapz Pro application at far less than the $100,000 charity donation they first set. Now all of the apps are going to be available when $100,000 is hit, because they know that Pixelmator is the only really legitimate one in there. All the rest are just gimmicks.
 
The main beef I have with this site is the way they exploit absolutely everyone in order to sell the "bundle". They exploit the developers by not paying them enough for their software (although of course, it is their choice to opt in), they exploit the readers of sites and the editors of other sites with their Malcor rubbish and they exploit Digg.com, a site I'm very fond of by relentlessly spamming it. I thought it was especially disgusting when they "hacked" AppleMatters.com and it ended up throwing dirt on their innocent web host when people believed that their software was to blame.

I don't really see that any of these applications is worth the money. I think that on their own they're clearly not selling at all because many of them are completely pointless. Most of it is just gloss - look at Cha Ching or Coversutra - they're just a pretty interface for something which you could do on your computer already.

The reason most of these developers have signed up seems to be that they are incapable of selling their software based on its merits as an application. If these applications were for Windows then they would be freeware (or at the very most, cheap, cheap shareware) but because it's Mac then the developers think they've got a right to charge extortionate rates for it. What a joke.

I find it hard to believe there are 6,821 people who actually want to write CSS or record stop motion movies. People are buying into the hype and not the applications. They are using every single marketing gimmick in the book to get people to buy this and I'm just disappointed that people are stupid enough to fall for it.

You're not making hundreds of dollars of a saving - you never, ever would have bought all of these applications separately and they're such a diverse mix that I don't think anyone can possibly have a legitimate use for all of them.

The charity thing disgusts me too, the fact that people are willing to buy this bundle just because some money goes to charity is stupid. If you want to give money to charity, why not give money to charity directly? Fair enough if the bundle was sold 100% for charity, but for every dollar that goes to needy causes, some more dollars are lining the pockets of the owners of this site.

By the look of things too, sales aren't as strong as MacHeist had hoped - they've unlocked this Snapz Pro application at far less than the $100,000 charity donation they first set. Now all of the apps are going to be available when $100,000 is hit, because they know that Pixelmator is the only really legitimate one in there. All the rest are just gimmicks.

Your opinion of the quality of the software is terrible.

Sure, Pixelmator is/was probably the main draw of the bundle for a lot of folks, but saying the other applications are gimmicks is just misinformation.

1Password has, in one day, completely changed the way I manage passwords and use the internet. Admittedly, I don't think I'd pay for CoverSutra on its own but because it was included in the bundle I've started using it on a daily basis. Granted, I don't exactly have volumes to say about CSSEdit, but it looks like a great app to develop CSS in, if I ever get around to doing any of that. AppZapper and Awaken are icing on the cake. Both are polished and useful. Speed Download is nice as well. If you don't like the bundle, fine... But don't hate on the software just because you're happy using the command line on your dosbox. I'd argue that a good UI is a very powerful draw to the mac platform-- it's one of the things that it does particularly well. And believe me, I know. I was using a windows box full time for the past 3 years and UI is not most windows developers' strong suit.

As far as the charity aspect... What's your problem? Its money to a good cause. MacHeist has to make something out of the deal. They spend time and money developing the heists, making deals with developers, maintaining the website, and finally advertising it all over the web. To complain and say they shouldn't get their cut just puts us back at square one with no software and no money for charity, the developers, or anyone.
 
I forgot to mention "My Dream App" in my earlier post. This was run by the same people and was full of promises of great software designed by people who want it. I'm yet to see anything come out of this.

As for my opinion of the software - it's so shallow. One thing I've noticed on Mac is that you need a separate application to do absolutely everything. To have a separate application to write CSS files to the one you write the rest of your website in is absolutely ludicrous.

AppZapper solves a problem which was never there in the first place. It's an extra application to delete applications and completely destroys the whole Mac elegance and lack of clutter.
 
I can't speak for the other apps as I've never tried them but...
AppZapper solves a problem which was never there in the first place. It's an extra application to delete applications and completely destroys the whole Mac elegance and lack of clutter.
I see your opinion, and I disagree. For the most part and for more tech-savvy users, yes, AppZapper is redundant. But for those less tech-inclined, less likely to poke about in the Library files or prefs lists, than this app is handy. It helps to get rid of even preferences, which are (harmlessly) left behind when most apps are deleted. And why might this matter? Just sometimes with troubleshooting it can be useful.

So again, is this bundle suited for ever single Mac user out there? Of course not, but just because one user doesn't see value in every last one of those apps, doesn't mean that other users don't see value in those same apps. And the bottom line is-- as a user, and potential buyer of a given bundle--- is the cost of the bundle on par with your perceived value of the apps? If not, then, tough, better luck w/ another bundle. If so, then you've scored a great deal.

No one has to use every app s/he buys.
 
To have a separate application to write CSS files to the one you write the rest of your website in is absolutely ludicrous.

I don't think so. There are times when all I want to do is play with the CSS to get a new look or something without changing any content. Why should I have all of my HTML tools open if I want to do that? A lot of the time I will be messing with the HTML and the CSS at once and I can either use a full package or separate apps.

Take a look at a lot of Studio apps. Final Cut Studio for example. Could they include motion graphics, sound editing, editing, and DVD authoring in one application? Sure they could - there's a lot of cross-over between each applications. But when you start doing that, things get more complicated and less accessible.

Just because multiple apps that are similar don't work for you doesn't mean that the idea is ludicrous.

I am very happy with my purchase, but I can see how a lot of people wouldn't have a need for these apps. I didn't recommend the package to my friends that casually use their computers for instance. But there are a few applications I am really happy to own now (Speed Download, CSSEdit, SnapzPro, and Cha-Ching). Are they mindblowing applications? No. But they are worth the $50 I paid for them when put together.

P-Worm
 
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