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Macintosh Moving to Intel Processors [Updated]
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MacTruck said:
Oh gosh- we use a Windows server for e-mail. Big deal! The whole company uses Macs for design and photography which BTW is everyone other than IT. The only reason I mentioned PCs is because we have some Windows servers and some Mac.
I'm just as hurt as anybody here. It's a hard thing, since we've all grown to love our G4's and G5's, and grown to laugh at the P4's of the world. And you know, I seriously still think that my PowerBook is a better machine than anything Dell can come out with. I really think that the Pentium 4 is a big hunk of crap.
But you know, I'm looking forward to see what comes out of Apple for this one. We know that there'll be an Intel processor, but it won't have to be a Pentium 4, or an M or D for that matter. In two years, a lot can change in the industry, and we never know just what might happen. Who knows, maybe Intel and Apple have a way to make some x86 variant of a processor with AltiVec (I really don't know how Apple can be without its velocity engine) that's really, wickedly fast, scales nicely, consumes little power and runs cool. We just don't know... so I wouldn't jump on this "class action suit" bandwagon just yet.
Steve's done some pretty radical things while he's been at Apple, and everything has, more or less, turned out for the better. Remember when the iPod came out? 90% of the people ON THIS FORUM hated the idea, saying that there's no way a player like that could survive. Look at it now. When the music store came out, everybody thought it was a cute toy going nowhere, but now, everyone's struggling to sell a tenth of what Apple's doing. I think Steve made this choice after considering all possible options, and I don't think he would have made it if it would produce slower and crappier machines. Everything we have in our computers will still be there-- all the hardware, and all of our software. Core image, audio, video, Expose, Spotlight, etc...
Oh, and if any of you are throwing away your PowerMac G5's, I'd gladly take it off your hands.
But you know, I'm looking forward to see what comes out of Apple for this one. We know that there'll be an Intel processor, but it won't have to be a Pentium 4, or an M or D for that matter. In two years, a lot can change in the industry, and we never know just what might happen. Who knows, maybe Intel and Apple have a way to make some x86 variant of a processor with AltiVec (I really don't know how Apple can be without its velocity engine) that's really, wickedly fast, scales nicely, consumes little power and runs cool. We just don't know... so I wouldn't jump on this "class action suit" bandwagon just yet.
Steve's done some pretty radical things while he's been at Apple, and everything has, more or less, turned out for the better. Remember when the iPod came out? 90% of the people ON THIS FORUM hated the idea, saying that there's no way a player like that could survive. Look at it now. When the music store came out, everybody thought it was a cute toy going nowhere, but now, everyone's struggling to sell a tenth of what Apple's doing. I think Steve made this choice after considering all possible options, and I don't think he would have made it if it would produce slower and crappier machines. Everything we have in our computers will still be there-- all the hardware, and all of our software. Core image, audio, video, Expose, Spotlight, etc...
Oh, and if any of you are throwing away your PowerMac G5's, I'd gladly take it off your hands.
That's just as valid as We will not allow any other OS to run on Apple Mac.. look at Linux etc..
Remember part of the open source Darwin game.. you reap what you sow.. and the boot code information can be gleaned from that..
Remember part of the open source Darwin game.. you reap what you sow.. and the boot code information can be gleaned from that..
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THE DEAL
the cold hard fact is that....the g5 was not going to get anywhere...no powerbook on g5 ever! And as most recently reported....laptops are the new money maker...so the situation is what it is...stay with ppc and lose the laptop market or try something new...I salute Apple for once again taking a risk....they were the first to drop the floppy, the were the first with usb..firewire....and countless others....you can guess and speculate all you want about what is to come....but apple invented the personnel computer market, brought gui to the masses, digital video...much much more....they did it all...and everyone else just copies what they do....NO innovation from anyone on the same scale as apple....so when they do things they do things for a reason...... they have the bases covered...oh, here is osx working on intel...JUST IN CASE...what other company has a five year just in case plan.... they know what they are doing...and we just watch on the sidelines..... steve jobs is an icon for our time
the cold hard fact is that....the g5 was not going to get anywhere...no powerbook on g5 ever! And as most recently reported....laptops are the new money maker...so the situation is what it is...stay with ppc and lose the laptop market or try something new...I salute Apple for once again taking a risk....they were the first to drop the floppy, the were the first with usb..firewire....and countless others....you can guess and speculate all you want about what is to come....but apple invented the personnel computer market, brought gui to the masses, digital video...much much more....they did it all...and everyone else just copies what they do....NO innovation from anyone on the same scale as apple....so when they do things they do things for a reason...... they have the bases covered...oh, here is osx working on intel...JUST IN CASE...what other company has a five year just in case plan.... they know what they are doing...and we just watch on the sidelines..... steve jobs is an icon for our time
eVolcre said:I've had an epiphany. You should add a K to your name. macKtruck. Because they either transport dirt or rubbish and that is what you're full of.
and THAt is a fact ...
Oh yeah its all rubbish. Lets not get defensive, just stating a fact not an opinion.
End of most Dual Processor models?
Since Apple will have the same performance as PC's do you think this will be the end of most dual processor offerings? It seems like a single Intel, whatever it is will be faster then a dual PowerPC. It will make a cheaper computer with only one chip however. Probably be dual core as well.
Since Apple will have the same performance as PC's do you think this will be the end of most dual processor offerings? It seems like a single Intel, whatever it is will be faster then a dual PowerPC. It will make a cheaper computer with only one chip however. Probably be dual core as well.
thogs_cave said:You'd be surprised at how well some stuff worked under System 6.
You might also be surprised at how productive some of us were on 9" screens and floppy disks.
That my friend, is a testament to the lack of internet. No browsing, no forums, no porn, can't save porn even if you got some, and all we had was those ascii images of boobs. Hell, unplug my T1 at work and delete all the broswers and I think i would be productive too.
If I ever form my own company noone gets internet access. There will be one central station to do research on and that will be monitored. Email - only internal and monitored. Noone would come to work for me but the poor sops who do will get a lot more done because there will be nothing to distract them.
MacTruck said:
I gotta agree with you here.... My current incarnation is working for a company that develops serious software for big pharma (among others). If they have Macs, they are not in general use..... They want Oracle, they want Exchange, etc.
Our software even supports OS X, but there's no real market for it - and we're almost all Mac faithful - even our CEO won't touch Windows.
MacRohde said:Oh. My. God.
So I can buy a MacIntel and install Windows on it and then use OSX for my everyday computer stuff/schoolwork and then Windows for gaming! That's like....that's like....wait...I need to change boxers now.
So why would todays cross platform developers (Win and Mac) even bother with an OSX version if you can run your Windows version of the app on the Macintel? If I were someone like say, Adobe, I'd probably just punt and build the Windows app.
What am I missing?
Originally Posted by tech4all
Oh really? Then prove what you said in your post is true. Unless you can prove it's a fact it's meaningless to us.
Nice debate.. you answer a question with a question..
Tech4all and the rest of us are waiting for "your" answer to HIS question.
Oh really? Then prove what you said in your post is true. Unless you can prove it's a fact it's meaningless to us.
MacTruck said:
Nice debate.. you answer a question with a question..
Tech4all and the rest of us are waiting for "your" answer to HIS question.
change
CHANGE is always GOOD, and this was not a quick decision, it has been well thought out, and if all OSXs have been developed for intel also, then we have nothing to worry about, apple has things under control, Steve knows what he has in all of us so lets give apple a little air to breathe, you'll see that your worst fears will remain fears, and that reality is bright and clear.
IBM was sucking, and Intel is the most productive processor maker
2+2=4
simple math
GO TO BED AND SLEEP PEACEFULLY
its all OK
say this 20 times before you go to bed
its TUESDAY ALREADY! YES!
CHANGE is always GOOD, and this was not a quick decision, it has been well thought out, and if all OSXs have been developed for intel also, then we have nothing to worry about, apple has things under control, Steve knows what he has in all of us so lets give apple a little air to breathe, you'll see that your worst fears will remain fears, and that reality is bright and clear.
IBM was sucking, and Intel is the most productive processor maker
2+2=4
simple math
GO TO BED AND SLEEP PEACEFULLY
its all OK
say this 20 times before you go to bed
its TUESDAY ALREADY! YES!
Sweet
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Anyway...
Cool, Good on you Apple
Now I know that my next Mac will be a Intel Powermac sweet.
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Anyway, (other than this post adding to my thread count for free, one step closer to my avatar)
Anyway...
Cool, Good on you Apple
Now I know that my next Mac will be a Intel Powermac
sweet.
MacTruck said:
I still don't get your point. What-everybody has to use all PC or all Mac? That doesn't happen. Many places use both in some capacity.
Mac Lineup 2006-2007
Will it be something like this then, considering that Intel does manufacture several types of CPUs:
PowerMac Xeon Dual CPU 3 - 3.4GHz
PowerBook Pentium-M Dual Core 1.7- 2GHz
iBook Pentium-M 1.2 - 1.4GHz
iMac Pentium 4 Dual Core 3 - 3GHz
Mac Mini Celeron 2.8 - 3GHz
Feasible? As for me, I'm looking forward to Apple's new switch. It might require a bit more optimizations on OS X though. Anand posted some interesting facts about the OS.
http://www.anandtech.com/mac/showdoc.aspx?i=2436
Will it be something like this then, considering that Intel does manufacture several types of CPUs:
PowerMac Xeon Dual CPU 3 - 3.4GHz
PowerBook Pentium-M Dual Core 1.7- 2GHz
iBook Pentium-M 1.2 - 1.4GHz
iMac Pentium 4 Dual Core 3 - 3GHz
Mac Mini Celeron 2.8 - 3GHz
Feasible? As for me, I'm looking forward to Apple's new switch. It might require a bit more optimizations on OS X though. Anand posted some interesting facts about the OS.
http://www.anandtech.com/mac/showdoc.aspx?i=2436
eVolcre said:That my friend, is a testament to the lack of internet. No browsing, no forums, no porn, can't save porn even if you got some, and all we had was those ascii images of boobs. Hell, unplug my T1 at work and delete all the broswers and I think i would be productive too.
If I ever form my own company noone gets internet access. There will be one central station to do research on and that will be monitored. Email - only internal and monitored. Noone would come to work for me but the poor sops who do will get a lot more done because there will be nothing to distract them.
That's the truth. Tho, I did have BITNET access and eventually (since we were a tech school) Internet access in college, but we were all text-types. It was odd to enter the "real world" where nobody knew about the Internet or (in many cases) networking.
Right about now, I'd happily ban email. I spend far too much time tuning SPAM filters. Not to mention dealing with all the script kiddiez....
MacTruck said:
Wow. I use Microsoft Office on My Mac at work every day. BTW- our Windows e-mail server sucks.
840quadra said:
It has been answered many times. No large company with over 500 employees will ever use all macs. Nobody can name one. AT&T, IBM, Allstate, Oracle, Winn Dixie, Almost EVERY Web hosting company in the world for that matter MUST have a PC around. Like I said its a FACT. Why is it so hard to believe. Its not that difficult. Not trying to get people worked up but I don't see what there is to get worked up about. Just stating a FACT.
This must be the fastest growing thread ever!
On topic: I think it's a bold move by Apple. There are some risks but maybe in a few years Apple will be lauded for taking the risk. Like they say: "no risk, no fun."
On topic: I think it's a bold move by Apple. There are some risks but maybe in a few years Apple will be lauded for taking the risk. Like they say: "no risk, no fun."
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