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Here's a form as viewed in Adobe Acrobat...View attachment 681564

Here's the exact same form as viewed in Preview:
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Notice anything wrong with it?
Adobe uses its own PDF version, be careful with that when you want to compare it in other applications. I have a PDF from the government which has been created in Adobe with some special forms that are only readable in Adobe software. Preview, PDFPen Pro, PDF Expert and various apps on Windows and Linux failed to read the file. The only app that worked was Adobe Reader (or whatever it is called now).
 
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As a previous 10 year Mac user I'm more and more happy every day that I recently ditched Mac and switched to Windows 10. Not everything is perfect (of course), but many things are really awesome and I definitely don't get the constant feeling of being on a dying, neglected platform.

My shiny new iPhone 7+ is probably my last Apple product. Because Mac was THE central Apple product for me. Without it I have no reason to sick with the pathetic, greedy and lazy Apple anymore. I might stick with iPhone, but because I'm definitely dumping all Apple apps/services - I'll stick around ONLY if iOS 11 allows to choose default apps from other superior companies. If not - good bye. Yes, I know, I won't let the door hit me.

I just returned by 15" touchbar MacBook Pro w/Sierra and got a Surface Book. I'm now editing PDFs on a touchscreen without a problem.

Apple has become the Microsoft they once loathed and mocked. Microsoft has innovated the hell out of Apple in the last few years.

The cycle continues.
 
Oh the humanity! Get a grip people! You all act like it's the end of the world or something. I personally have never used preview for anything related to PDFs. I grew up with Adobe Acrobat Reader and Pro and the first thing I do with a new Mac is set all my PDFs to open with Acrobat Pro using the get info command. If you think this is bad buy a cheap Windows laptop and get FoxIt for Windows PDFs and get ready for pure hell! Preview has always been like the Stickies app for me since I rarely use it and the interface is probably the worst thing since Windows 2.0. Although it could be and should be better, I never lost any sleep thinking that Apple was going down the tubes because of the Preview App! Haaaa! Their customer satisfaction rating isn't near the top for nothing. But Whiners will whine and babies will cry. Meanwhile, I will be working in the new and improved, or much improved, Final Cut Pro 10.3.1. I also Use Adobe Creative Cloud Apps which have lots of bugs in their new versions as well, but nothing major that affected workflow or getting the job done. I suggest if you wanna hear about real problems talk to my Windows 10 buddies! Peace Out!
 
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Luckily they seem to know more about development than you do. You don't even know that developers are not the ones making the decision to include this in a production version. This is more in the realms of release managers, product managers and upper management. If you want to blame someone, pick the right one.


Not much of an issue with software like PDF Expert and PDFPen. Those are actually meant for editing PDFs, not just some previewing app that got all sorts of editing features bolted on.
This is just one of those apple's photo app.
 
This is a very minor issue and will be fixed as has been said elsewhere. There is nothing to worry about here.
You either don't use the functionality (for anything critical) or you must have lost your mind. Or both.
Yes, it is the second time (at least that I know of), that Apple tries to rewrite a "legacy" library and fails miserably. It seems they don't have any developers that actually understand the OS and can write stuff from scratch.
Just guessing, but I suspect that this has to do with rewriting from the well established Objective C into the hipster Swift language. BTW, as far as I know Preview.app used to be written by a SINGLE guy at Apple... They probably moved to a full-fledged engineering team now ;-)
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Oh the humanity! Get a grip people! You all act like it's the end of the world or something. I personally have never used preview for anything related to PDFs. I grew up with Adobe Acrobat Reader and Pro and the first thing I do with a new Mac is set all my PDFs to open with Acrobat Pro using the get info command. If you think this is bad buy a cheap Windows laptop and get FoxIt for Windows PDFs and get ready for pure hell! Preview has always been like the Stickies app for me since I rarely use it and the interface is probably the worst thing since Windows 2.0.
Good for you. I, on the other hand, avoid using Adobe software, including Acrobat, whenever possible. Preview is (used to be?) much more easy to use, faster, more intuitive. If I have to use third party apps for most things on a Mac, I can well just switch to Windows, Linux, Solaris or whatever else.
 
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Wondering what those 110,000 Apple people actually do.
If they fail to see that macOS is their non-neglectable base of all the things they do, they will be running for their money soon.
Just waiting for more rebate crap like with the dongle mess.
Look out for the warning signs: More rebate = more problems = more rebate.
Can’t believe that they actually use their own increasingly crappy stuff.
Watch bands, emojis and a quest for negative thinness without functionality.

If you can't get Jobs back, bring back Woz.
 
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Oh the humanity! Get a grip people! You all act like it's the end of the world or something. I personally have never used preview for anything related to PDFs. I grew up with Adobe Acrobat Reader and Pro and the first thing I do with a new Mac is set all my PDFs to open with Acrobat Pro using the get info command. If you think this is bad buy a cheap Windows laptop and get FoxIt for Windows PDFs and get ready for pure hell! Preview has always been like the Stickies app for me since I rarely use it and the interface is probably the worst thing since Windows 2.0. Although it could be and should be better, I never lost any sleep thinking that Apple was going down the tubes because of the Preview App! Haaaa! Their customer satisfaction rating isn't near the top for nothing. But Whiners will whine and babies will cry. Meanwhile, I will be working in the new and improved, or much improved, Final Cut Pro 10.3.1. I also Use Adobe Creative Cloud Apps which have lots of bugs in their new versions as well, but nothing major that affected workflow or getting the job done. I suggest if you wanna hear about real problems talk to my Windows 10 buddies! Peace Out!
Boohoo? I love how you whine about whiners, yet go on a major whine, just based on the fact that you don't use the application, and therefore no one else can't either. Hilarious.
 
You either don't use the functionality (for anything critical) or you must have lost your mind. Or both.

Just guessing, but I suspect that this has to do with rewriting from the well established Objective C into the hipster Swift language. BTW, as far as I know Preview.app used to be written by a SINGLE guy at Apple... They probably moved to a full-fledged engineering team now ;-)
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Good for you. I, on the other hand, avoid using Adobe software, including Acrobat, whenever possible. Preview is (used to be?) much more easy to use, faster, more intuitive. If I have to use third party apps for most things on a Mac, I can well just switch to Windows, Linux, Solaris or whatever else.
The issue with Adobe is that they like to install all over the file system and you have no idea what is installed Adobe Bridge is a 4 gig install just to view media.
 
Adobe uses its own PDF version, be careful with that when you want to compare it in other applications. I have a PDF from the government which has been created in Adobe with some special forms that are only readable in Adobe software. Preview, PDFPen Pro, PDF Expert and various apps on Windows and Linux failed to read the file. The only app that worked was Adobe Reader (or whatever it is called now).
It worked flawlessly until Apple screwed up Preview on the Mac and iOS.
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I can see it all and it's not good.
I actually called Apple regarding the issue. They were 1) aware of the issue, 2) asked specifically if the PDF's were real estate related, and 3) promised a quick resolution.

They've basically made every realtor in the US, who uses ZipForms (most of them) on their mac, to become way less productive... This isn't a small industry; I personally transact millions of dollars a year with of properties. Multiply that by hundreds of thousands of Realtors -- and, you're disrupting an industry that's the cornerstone of the American economy.

Sure, I can fire up Adobe Acrobat Pro and do my work there, but, the PDF issues aren't just related to displaying the forms improperly...

Let's say I have a contract that needs to be signed *now*, normally I'd fire up DocuSign on my iPhone, and I could place the signature blocks and send it for signatures, all from my phone. Here's what that looks like now (The black rectangles are there to remove sensitive info.. The big blank white space shows where the text should be. It's completely screwed up.

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This isn't just a productivity killer -- it's a serious issue, that, unless fixed quickly, will cause a LOT of issues for a LOT of people.
 
For that matter, there's a long-standing issue in OS X Preview that Apple has never seen fit to address, having to do with filling out fill-able forms created in Adobe Acrobat. MacWorld covered this back in 2013:

http://www.macworld.com/article/2027181/solving-the-mystery-of-the-empty-pdf-form.html

I have never been able to fill my IRS 1040 forms with Preview, even under Snow Leopard. The SSN fields would not space out the digits. I am baffled this bug has not been fixed for at least the last six years.
 
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I'm a bit baffled that a country that has e-voting everywhere and is home to Silicon Valley is still using something that is quite outdated for doing their taxes. Not that the Netherlands is that advanced in this but at least we can do quite a lot of this online (filling and sending) and with digital signatures. Belgium and Estonia go even further with these kind of things.

I suppose if it works then why change it applies here. Anyway, I do share your bad luck with PDF forms and such. It seems that simple PDF files are fine with Preview but anything doing things a bit more fancy (like having forms) creates some issue in Preview. How's your luck with other PDF apps in this?
 
Multiply that by hundreds of thousands of Realtors -- and, you're disrupting an industry that's the cornerstone of the American economy.

Really. Apple fouls up something and entire U.S. economy is put at risk? I remember hearing that argument about Microsoft 15 years ago when they controlled 95% of the desktop market, and it was silly then.
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I'm a bit baffled that a country that has e-voting everywhere and is home to Silicon Valley is still using something that is quite outdated for doing their taxes.

I don't know what form he's talking about but my taxes have been e-filed for years.
 
Article has been changed but is still WRONG. Not "most" features. Only SOME features were put back.
 
I think what some people we should suck it up and use other apps, or that it's a minor problem and does doesn't matter are missing some key points. This is software included with the computer, that is SUPPOSED to work, and work well. It may have a limited feature set, but it's supposed to work. There are many, many users out there who won't know about other options (Adobe, PDF Pro) and who expect that software included on a premium priced machine will actually function as advertised. These aren't some bargain basement computers we're talking about here.

Second, how is Tim Cook, whom I'm starting to take about as seriously as I do Phil Schiller (which is to say, not much) allowing this kind of culture to take hold at Apple? Don't tell me that the CEO doesn't make a difference. If that were true, I'd bet Ballmer would still be in charge at Microsoft. Yet Cook will say stuff like, "we strive to make world-class products that deliver the best experience possible to our customer." Well, if that's the case, you better try harder, Mr. Cook.
 
It worked flawlessly until Apple screwed up Preview on the Mac and iOS.
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I actually called Apple regarding the issue. They were 1) aware of the issue, 2) asked specifically if the PDF's were real estate related, and 3) promised a quick resolution.

They've basically made every realtor in the US, who uses ZipForms (most of them) on their mac, to become way less productive... This isn't a small industry; I personally transact millions of dollars a year with of properties. Multiply that by hundreds of thousands of Realtors -- and, you're disrupting an industry that's the cornerstone of the American economy.

Sure, I can fire up Adobe Acrobat Pro and do my work there, but, the PDF issues aren't just related to displaying the forms improperly...

Let's say I have a contract that needs to be signed *now*, normally I'd fire up DocuSign on my iPhone, and I could place the signature blocks and send it for signatures, all from my phone. Here's what that looks like now (The black rectangles are there to remove sensitive info.. The big blank white space shows where the text should be. It's completely screwed up.

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This isn't just a productivity killer -- it's a serious issue, that, unless fixed quickly, will cause a LOT of issues for a LOT of people.
Have you looked at other IOS options?
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For that matter, there's a long-standing issue in OS X Preview that Apple has never seen fit to address, having to do with filling out fill-able forms created in Adobe Acrobat. MacWorld covered this back in 2013:

http://www.macworld.com/article/2027181/solving-the-mystery-of-the-empty-pdf-form.html
Preview had had issue for some time but it seems not to be an Apple priority as profits are.
 
Corrupt PDF forms filled out in an education or business environment doesn't seem minor to me, actually seems catastrophic.

My business relies on PDF files for document management. This is a very serious issue for business users and Apple apparently doesn't give a damn. Just makes me shake my head and wonder whether or not I should continue with the Mac or jump ship to Windows.
 
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My business relies on PDF files for document management. This is a very serious issue for business users and Apple apparently doesn't give a damn. Just makes me shake my head and wonder whether or not I should continue with the Mac or jump ship to Windows.
Thing is, Apple doesn't give a **** about "business users".
 
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Thing is, Apple doesn't give a **** about "business users".
Apple seems to be quite schizophrenic. On one hand they announce massive partnership with IBM to help them increase market share in business environments but, at the same time, they totally neglect/screw business oriented features, not to mention the complete absence of a roadmap businesses could use to plan their IT purchases against. It seems as if Apple had no clue how normal businesses function, which is hard to believe... yet that is how they behave.
 
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Really rich hearing Grunenberg talk about software not working well. That's a big stone to throw from the gigantic glass house known as DEVONthink.
 
Yes, but then you look at it more closely... and much of that IBM partnership revolves around the iPad and iOS.
The fact that IBM invested in some Macs for its developers is more of a side item ... a consequence you could predict if they want to develop their iOS software using computers built by the same company making the tablets and iOS.


Apple seems to be quite schizophrenic. On one hand they announce massive partnership with IBM to help them increase market share in business environments but, at the same time, they totally neglect/screw business oriented features, not to mention the complete absence of a roadmap businesses could use to plan their IT purchases against. It seems as if Apple had no clue how normal businesses function, which is hard to believe... yet that is how they behave.
 
This is a very minor issue and will be fixed as has been said elsewhere. There is nothing to worry about here.

This is not minor to me! ;) I'm in real estate and deal with hundreds of critical pdf forms daily. This is crippling my workflow.
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It worked flawlessly until Apple screwed up Preview on the Mac and iOS.
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I actually called Apple regarding the issue. They were 1) aware of the issue, 2) asked specifically if the PDF's were real estate related, and 3) promised a quick resolution.

They've basically made every realtor in the US, who uses ZipForms (most of them) on their mac, to become way less productive... This isn't a small industry; I personally transact millions of dollars a year with of properties. Multiply that by hundreds of thousands of Realtors -- and, you're disrupting an industry that's the cornerstone of the American economy.

Sure, I can fire up Adobe Acrobat Pro and do my work there, but, the PDF issues aren't just related to displaying the forms improperly...

Let's say I have a contract that needs to be signed *now*, normally I'd fire up DocuSign on my iPhone, and I could place the signature blocks and send it for signatures, all from my phone. Here's what that looks like now (The black rectangles are there to remove sensitive info.. The big blank white space shows where the text should be. It's completely screwed up.

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This isn't just a productivity killer -- it's a serious issue, that, unless fixed quickly, will cause a LOT of issues for a LOT of people.


Thank goodness I'm not the only one. Not too many people run Mac/iOS in my brokerage, or at the very least, they don't seem to keep them updated, so I felt like I was the only one with the issue for awhile. Glad to know many of my fellow colleagues are making noise about this! Thanks!
 
This is not minor to me! ;) I'm in real estate and deal with hundreds of critical pdf forms daily. This is crippling my workflow.
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Thank goodness I'm not the only one. Not too many people run Mac/iOS in my brokerage, or at the very least, they don't seem to keep them updated, so I felt like I was the only one with the issue for awhile. Glad to know many of my fellow colleagues are making noise about this! Thanks!
Your going to have to look at third party solutions like PDF Expert and PDF Pen Pro.
 
Your going to have to look at third party solutions like PDF Expert and PDF Pen Pro.

Hey Michaelgtrusa thanks for the reply and advice! I have PDF Expert by Readdle, and love it, but (not sure if it utilizes the OS's PDFkit framework or what) it too has the same PDF display issues Preview is producing for me.

I went ahead and bit the bullet for Adobe Acrobat Pro DC, and that is working out for me.
 
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