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macOS 27 changes invalidate 'forward-moving' arguments for Tahoe

To be fair Apple didn't completely backtrack. They reverted some changes that broke usability or didn't follow HIG that Apple had previously set. I jokingly yelled at the screen "like they used to!?" during the presentation when they talked about how the sidebars were "now" flush with the window edge. I imagine that one of the reasons Apple spent so long talking about the expanded Parental Controls and new Siri was because they knew that if they did the traditional WatchOS, tvOS (maybe), Home, iPadOS etc. sections was because it would primarily consist of them talking about where they went wrong last year and admitting even more to the cruft that built up over time. Apple is Apple so of course they won't stand there saying "hey guys we know we screwed up" but whatever, at least it looks like macOS is back on the right track.

I was thinking right before the presentation of a Steve Jobs quote, at least I think it was him, about your brand good-will being like a bank. When you do something right you are making a deposit. When you do something wrong you're making a withdrawal. I don't think Apple would ever admit to it but the initial implementation of Liquid Glass, along with the rest of the decisions made with the *26 updates, were a big withdrawal. Not being able to deliver on the Siri/Apple Intelligence promises were a withdrawal. I also think that not being able to get the new shiny Siri models working on the iPhone 16 is going to be a withdrawal. I don't even care about this new Siri stuff, I'm probably going to turn it off on all my devices, but for the people who do care who bought an iPhone 16 Pro that was, apparently, "built for Apple Intelligence" I won't blame them for being salty.
 
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DankeBrutus said:
I jokingly yelled at the screen "like they used to!?" during the presentation when they talked about how the sidebars were "now" flush with the window edge (...) Apple is Apple so of course they won't stand there saying "hey guys we know we screwed up" but whatever, at least it looks like macOS is back on the right track.
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This for me was the big takeaway. That they knew prior design choices were better, yet they were happy to release a worser product in Tahoe and then struggle to justify through marketing why.

So far, Golden Gate appears to strike a decent balance between decisions that actually make sense for the individual platform, with those that add fresh ideas for a multi-platform language.
 
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capamac said:
Dunno if it's Snow Leopard yet. The video above notes several bugs and refutes claims of increased speed, etc. The beta of 27, at least, is still quite buggy.
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All in due time. 27.2 is going to be a winner! The first two releases are full scale betas in my opinion.
 
capamac said:
Dunno if it's Snow Leopard yet. The video above notes several bugs and refutes claims of increased speed, etc. The beta of 27, at least, is still quite buggy.
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Snow Leopard wasn't Snow Leopard from the beginning either. I know it's a long time ago, but many seem to forget that Snow Leopard's initial release also had tons of bugs and all kind of issues. It wasn't until the 10.6.2 or x.3 update that the system became stable.
 
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It dawned on me, and I had not seen it mentioned, but;

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Are these the Men who Saved macOS 27 GUI?

The Boys Are Back In Town Steve Lemay who probably reached out directly and hired (ex-apple designer) Sebastiaan de With He post a reimagining in 2025 https://www.macrumors.com/2025/06/04/ex-apple-designer-living-glass-ios-concepts/ https://www.lux.camera/physicality-the-new-age-of-ui/...
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I am glad that Apple appears to have listened to feedback on some of the more “interesting” visual styles Tahoe had.

I’m not sure why they changed the “search” bar to more of a button to press instead of a place to insert text into… but “win some, lose some” is the theme I suppose.
 
They went too far in 26. With changes in 27, and way 27 is meant to be, more of refinement than changes, I'm hopeful that 27 would finally let me either update the OS or get an upgrade MBP!
 
DankeBrutus said:
I also think that not being able to get the new shiny Siri models working on the iPhone 16 is going to be a withdrawal. I don't even care about this new Siri stuff, I'm probably going to turn it off on all my devices, but for the people who do care who bought an iPhone 16 Pro that was, apparently, "built for Apple Intelligence" I won't blame them for being salty.
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This is false.
There are only two features 15 Pro and 16 don’t get, the new Siri voice and an improved model for dictation.
Everything else is identical.
I have an iPhone with 12 GB of RAM and an iPad with only eight that doesn’t qualify for the features, those are literally the only differences. The one on my iPhone sounds a little more clear, sorta.
I actually think I might prefer the original voice.
Other than that, though, the functionality is identical. The 8 GB iPhones and iPads still get all of the cool stuff that was promised two years ago, on screen awareness, personal context, in app actions.
I don’t think the 20,000,000,000 parameter on device model not being available to most devices really matters… Yet. Maybe next year it will be utilized more, but for now it’s not doing much.
I don’t feel that I’m missing anything on my 8 GB of RAM iPad Pro, I don’t notice any difference between the new Siri on it and my iPhone Air.
And I don’t even think those particular features are implemented within macOS yet, I can’t find them anywhere and my MBP is supported..
 
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To anyone who has installed it, does Finder's preview (the panel that slides out from the right) still slice through the toolbar buttons?
 
After getting used to the rounded corners of Tahoe, I think Golden Gate went too far in the opposite direction. The rounded toolbar buttons look strange against the tighter corner radius in the windows. I thought the design flowed a little better in Tahoe. However, I do like the new 3D look of Liquid Glass.
 
Comfortably Numb said:
Still the biggest gripe I have with the UI redesign. So many apps look so ****ing ugly and stupid with those, it's insufferable. This is not the fault of the reduced radii, it's the fault of those buttons.

I hope we will see further refinements there throughout the beta cycle.
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I totally agree with you. I am also still not really happy with search boxes looking like glass, but I know that is evidently not me. I liked it more when apps had real individuality.

But at least with that slider, you can tone it waaaaay down now. It's much better.
 
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eltoslightfoot said:
I totally agree with you. I am also still not really happy with search boxes looking like glass, but I know that is evidently not me. I liked it more when apps had real individuality.

But at least with that slider, you can tone it waaaaay down now. It's much better.
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I had a thought today that they could make the search box look like glass until you tap or click it. When you tap or click it, it could make a subtle popping animation revealing a recessed field underneath with a subtle shadow at the top showing that it’s indented into the window.
 
conmee said:
So far the apps I've opened all have the reduced corner radius (Finder, Mail, Safari, Contacts, Calendar, Music, Photos, etc). I'll keep an eye on dialogue boxes, etc. During initial update, the dialogues for Analytics and setting Liquid Glass still had the old radius (difficult to discern it with the screenshot attached but it's still the old radius). Also, during setup I had the current Tahoe battery icon, but once the desktop appeared, I have a different battery icon in the menu bar on GG. Also, the menu item drop-downs look fine, but I think the Control Center looks worse than before. Maybe it's just the GG wallpaper or I never paid much attention to it in Tahoe.

P.S. I know I'm going against the grain and probably even my own comments from a year ago, but I think I got used to the floaty sidebars. Now that they appear to be gone in GG (at least for this beta), it looks a little plain. Finder, etc are the same, no more floaty sidebar.

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Swimming against the grain.

There was nothing wrong with the old corners.
 
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There was nothing wrong with the old corners.
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It is the judgment of this Court that the defendant be remanded to eighteen months of continuous use of a Windows 11 machine, with no eligibility for parole. Upon completion of twelve months and a demonstrated record of good conduct, the defendant may petition the Court for a downgrade to Windows Vista.

The defendant is further permanently enjoined from returning to macOS for the remainder of his natural life.
 
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